You want evidence? Bolton book outlines Trump is guilty

[vegas giants]

Bolton can testify outside of the bounds of this sham impeachment based on inference and hear say. If this is allowed for impeachment, all impeachments will be shams and based on hear say and inference.

I see. So you are afraid that he will testify under oath during this trial.


Got it. Thanks

 

[Obscurity]

Bolton can testify outside of the bounds of this sham impeachment based on inference and hear say. If this is allowed for impeachment, all impeachments will be shams and based on hear say and inference.

Pathetic. You guys just keep pushing the goddamned goalposts and this is why not one of you should even be engaged further. It gives credibility to your arguments, which do not deserve credibility, because they are not credible arguments.

Hear me now; your voice, and the tens of millions of voices of your Trump voter brethren, are worth -nothing- and deserve to be dismissed for the cult garbage they are.

 

[cabse5]

Ordering political investigations and conditioning bipartisan aid on them is not a presidential duty.

It's an authoritarian, thin skinned, demagogue's trick. Designed to protect his sickening, worthless voters from anything that may convince them to vote against him.

Isn't it insulting to be looked at as such a thin skinned, meak person by Trump? it should be.

Ordering relationships between the Ukraine and the Obama Administration is presidential duty. Are you aware the Trump DOJ is investigating the origins of the investigation of the, alleged, collusion between Russians and the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2016 election?

 

[cabse5]

Pathetic. You guys just keep pushing the goddamned goalposts and this is why not one of you should even be engaged further. It gives credibility to your arguments, which do not deserve credibility, because they are not credible arguments.

Hear me now; your voice, and the tens of millions of voices of your Trump voter brethren, are worth -nothing- and deserve to be dismissed for the cult garbage they are.

In football terms as in moving goalposts, the democratic touchdown was overturned because the offensive line was offside.

 

[Obscurity]

Ordering relationships between the Ukraine and the Obama Administration is presidential duty. Are you aware the Trump DOJ is investigating the origins of the investigation of the, alleged, collusion between Russians and the Trump campaign to interfere in the 2016 election?

Ordering political investigations and conditioning bipartisan aid is not a presidential duty. It directly flies in the face of our founders words.

I am aware of Trump's investigations; he is a petulent and petty individual who cannot take the fact more individuals voted for Hillary than him, thus why he ordered that investigation.

Are you aware that the founders were very concerned about foreign powers inserting themselves into our domestic affairs? Perhaps you should break out of the Ingraham angle and go read the ****ing federalist papers.

Enough words; your arguments are not credible, and I will give them no further credibility by debating them.

 

[Obscurity]

I see. So you are afraid that he will testify under oath during this trial.


Got it. Thanks

They're shielding their base. That's all this is. They're shielding the base they have conditioned into accepting a unitary executive that abdicates even more power to the executive.

They want a monarch, and I don't GAF how they feel about me saying that.

 

[vegas giants]

In football terms as in moving goalposts, the democratic touchdown was overturned because the offensive line was offside.

Then trump was caught deflating footballs and fumbles the ball

 

[cabse5]

Deflection.

Ordering political investigations, which is what Trump did, by a FOREIGN POWER, is a DIRECT assault on the words and beliefs of our founders.

Oh. So, for example, when after WWII when the US and the allies ordered the formerly Nazi Germany to clean up its act (and pay further restitution), this was an assault on our founders?
Was, for example, the US's stance against the formerly Soviet Union's stockpiling of certain types of nukes an assault on our founders?:lamo

EDIT: Side note: Are Trump's tariffs not to be tolerated because they are quid pro quos?

 

[Obscurity]

Oh. So, for example, when after WWII when the US and the allies ordered the formerly Nazi Germany to clean up its act (and pay further restitution), this was an assault on our founders?
Was, for example, the US's stance against the formerly Soviet Union's stockpiling of certain types of nukes an assault on our founders?:lamo

What in the actual ****?

THIS is why none of us should give any of you the time of day. Your arguments are not even remotely close to relative.

 

[cabse5]

Then trump was caught deflating footballs and fumbles the ball

The other team didn't like Trump so he was accused of deflating footballs w/o any evidence of footballs being deflated.

 

[vegas giants]

The other team didn't like Trump so he was accused of deflating footballs w/o any evidence of footballs being deflated.

And then trump threw 13 interceptions

 

[cabse5]

What in the actual ****?

THIS is why none of us should give any of you the time of day. Your arguments are not even remotely close to relative.

Deflection.

Ordering political investigations, which is what Trump did, by a FOREIGN POWER, is a DIRECT assault on the words and beliefs of our founders.

Think again.

Oh. So, for example, when after WWII when the US and the allies ordered the formerly Nazi Germany to clean up its act (and pay further restitution), this was an assault on our founders?
Was, for example, the US's stance against the formerly Soviet Union's stockpiling of certain types of nukes an assault on our founders?:lamo

EDIT: Side note: Are Trump's tariffs not to be tolerated because they are quid pro quos?

 

[bubbabgone]

The senate refuses to call him

They haven't taken the witness vote yet.
If Schumer goes balls-out and gets a favorable witness vote you'll see the Republicans call caramel-man and others you don't want to see.
But first, if that looks like a possibility you'll first see Chucky protest the relevance of the Republican witnesses and when that fails he'll back off for the sake of the Senate ... or some other equally horsechit excuse.

 

[cabse5]

They haven't taken the witness vote yet.
If Schumer goes balls-out and gets a favorable witness vote you'll see the Republicans call caramel-man and others you don't want to see.
But first, if that looks like a possibility you'll first see Chucky protest the relevance of the Republican witnesses and when that fails he'll back off for the sake of the Senate ... or some other equally horsechit excuse.

I predict Chuckie's excuse for not wanting "Republican's" witnesses is because they aren't relevant to the accusation Trump asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens for future political gain.:roll:

 

[Obscurity]

Think again.

Dismissed; deflection. No order to investigate domestic us citizens by a foreign power for political gain has been demonstrated in your examples.

 

[jpn]

Yesterday's Trump defense:

There were no first-hand witnesses to Trump ordering bribery. In other words, our obstruction is working. And don't pay any attention to John Bolton.

 

[cabse5]

oh. So, for example, when after wwii when the us and the allies ordered the formerly nazi germany to clean up its act (and pay further restitution), this was an assault on our founders?
Was, for example, the us's stance against the formerly soviet union's stockpiling of certain types of nukes an assault on our founders?:lamo

edit: Side note: Are trump's tariffs not to be tolerated because they are quid pro quos?

nm...

 

[cabse5]

Dismissed; deflection. No order to investigate domestic us citizens by a foreign power for political gain has been demonstrated in your examples.

Just ignore the reason stated in the phone call summary why Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate the Bidens?:roll:

 

[vegas giants]

They haven't taken the witness vote yet.
If Schumer goes balls-out and gets a favorable witness vote you'll see the Republicans call caramel-man and others you don't want to see.
But first, if that looks like a possibility you'll first see Chucky protest the relevance of the Republican witnesses and when that fails he'll back off for the sake of the Senate ... or some other equally horsechit excuse.

Right after Bolton and Mulvaney

 

[cabse5]

Yesterday's Trump defense:

There were no first-hand witnesses to Trump ordering bribery. In other words, our obstruction is working. And don't pay any attention to John Bolton.

You and Schiff are real good at make believe.

 

[vegas giants]

Just ignore the reason stated in the phone call summary why Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate the Bidens?:roll:

Bolton says the reason was to go after Biden politically

 

[veritas1]

Nothing in your comment refutes the OP.

Nice predictable rant, though.

Why is Bolton's assertion now considered evidence? Isn't it a bit curious that he'd write a book now and that the NYT would be making his allegations public now? I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with Trump removing him and not giving him the war he so ardently craves. It's amazing what hate and $2M will make people do. All that said, as Dershowitz pointed out, even if Trump did what Bolton claims, it does not qualify as an impeachable offense under the Constitution.

 

[ecofarm]

So you don't know any more about the so-called whistleblower and you're determined to keep it that way.

WB is irrelevant. Provided no evidence.

You just want revenge, and you don't care if it harms America.

 

[bubbabgone]

I predict Chuckie's excuse for not wanting 'Republican' witnesses is because they aren't relevant to the accusation Trump asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens for future political gain.:roll:

That's what I said. But he's got to stop Ciaramella, Schiff, and Schiff's staff from appearing at all costs. And if Biden ever shows up and talks his candidacy is finished. He won't remember what story he's already said.

 

[cabse5]

Bolton says the reason was to go after Biden politically

Is that Bolton's assumption like Sondland?