'you are leaving us to be slaughtered'

[Abbazorkzog]

What I want to know is

why the **** is Pakistan supporting this ****? When they have Hindutva nationalists in nuclear-armed power, next door? I can understand Azerbaijan, since they're basically a Neo-Ottoman puppet state, but PAKISTAN?! What do they have to gain from this!

 

[Rogue Valley]

U.S. forces say Turkey was deliberately ‘bracketing’ American troops with artillery fire in Syria

No accident. The Pentagon provided The Turkish military with the GPS coordinates of all US units in northern Syria (Rojava).

 

[CaughtInThe]

The left is really upset at us getting out of a pointless forever war.

Good for Trump.

I have no doubt that a ton of Trump supporters (many just getting home from church) don't care if those families are slaughtered.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Reports from northern Syria say that Kurd Hevrin Khalaf, Co-Chair of the Syrian Future Party, has been killed by shrapnel from a Turkish artillery shell.

Update.....

Kurdish politician, other civilians ‘executed’ by Turkey-backed group

10/13/19
Hevrin Khalaf, her driver and seven others killed by fighters allied with Ankara on road outside Tel Abyad in northern Syria

According to Kurdish and independent reports, Kurdish political leader Hevrin Khalaf was executed on a road south of the town of Tal Abyad in northern Syria. The reports say that the execution of Ms. Khalaf and her driver were committed by the Islamist militia group Ahrar al-Sharqiya. Ahrar al-Sharqiya is allied with the Turkish military conducting a massive ethnic-cleansing operation in the northern Syria Kurdish enclave of Rojava. Nine other civilians were executed on the same day that Ms. Khalaf and her driver were executed with a shot to the head. The Islamist militia knew who she was. It is vey likely that Ahrar al-Sharqiya was tipped off by the Turks.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Mazloum Kobani Abdi is the military leader of the PKK.

I really do not give a fig if terrorists are being slaughtered.

Why is it that so many people can see that this group is not representative of the Kurds. It is like cutting off all support to the Taliban, and screaming that we have cut off the Mujahedeen.

I swear, so many people are completely retarded when it comes to this topic. They are supporting a group that practices ethnic cleansing, the use of child soldiers, and has been involved in terrorist activities for decades. The US, NATO, EU, and INTERPOL have all declared this to be a terrorist group. And I can only believe that those who are crying over support being pulled and their being attacked also believe in and support terrorist.

It is either that, or I have to believe that such individuals are to stupid to recognize that the PKK (and the groups closely aligned with them) is the only target.

 

[Oozlefinch]

According to Kurdish and independent reports, Kurdish political leader Hevrin Khalaf was executed on a road south of the town of Tal Abyad in northern Syria. The reports say that the execution of Ms. Khalaf and her driver were committed by the Islamist militia group Ahrar al-Sharqiya. Ahrar al-Sharqiya is allied with the Turkish military conducting a massive ethnic-cleansing operation in the northern Syria Kurdish enclave of Rojava.

Ahrar al-Sharqiya is a Syrian terrorist group. It is also not "allied" with Turkey, it is opposed to the government of Turkey. It is a fundamentalist Islamic group, tied with the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria. They have both fought alongside the Turkish military, as well as having fought against it. Just as they have fought both with and against ISIL.

And as a group who's core belief is Arab Nationalism, they have attacked many Kurdish groups. They are one of the core Arab groups that is fighting both the Syrian Government as well as Kurds. Specifically the PKK and it's allies. However, being Fundamentalist Arab Nationalists, they fight any groups that are Communist or with large Non-Arab membership.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Update.....

Kurdish politician, other civilians ‘executed’ by Turkey-backed group



According to Kurdish and independent reports, Kurdish political leader Hevrin Khalaf was executed on a road south of the town of Tal Abyad in northern Syria. The reports say that the execution of Ms. Khalaf and her driver were committed by the Islamist militia group Ahrar al-Sharqiya. Ahrar al-Sharqiya is allied with the Turkish military conducting a massive ethnic-cleansing operation in the northern Syria Kurdish enclave of Rojava. Nine other civilians were executed on the same day that Ms. Khalaf and her driver were executed with a shot to the head. The Islamist militia knew who she was. It is vey likely that Ahrar al-Sharqiya was tipped off by the Turks.

I - and others reporting from Syria - were mistaken about how Hevrin Khalaf perished.

This morning on the internet, I came across a phone video posted just hours ago. It shows the capture of Ms. Khalaf. The black SUV she was riding in is riddled with bullet holes. I suspect that occurred after the capture. The next footage shows her being stoned. Then the camera pans on her torso. The one filming with his phone gives the body some rough kicks. Horrific.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Ahrar al-Sharqiya is a Syrian terrorist group. It is also not "allied" with Turkey, it is opposed to the government of Turkey. It is a fundamentalist Islamic group, tied with the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria. They have both fought alongside the Turkish military, as well as having fought against it. Just as they have fought both with and against ISIL.

And as a group who's core belief is Arab Nationalism, they have attacked many Kurdish groups. They are one of the core Arab groups that is fighting both the Syrian Government as well as Kurds. Specifically the PKK and it's allies. However, being Fundamentalist Arab Nationalists, they fight any groups that are Communist or with large Non-Arab membership.

Look. Islamists are fighting with Turkish forces. Get off your damn high horse and admit that.

 

[Thoreau72]

It's sad we have so many traitors among us now.

The greatest enclaves of traitors in this country are found inside the Beltway. AKA Domestic Enemies of the USC.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Look. Islamists are fighting with Turkish forces. Get off your damn high horse and admit that.

Islamists fight with anybody who does not believe in their extreme views of Islam. Even other Islamist groups.

So this statement means nothing. Especially since the PKK is not an Islamist group. It is a radical Marxist Communist group, that fights all other groups that are not based in Communist beliefs.

 

[dave8383]

The greatest enclaves of traitors in this country are found inside the Beltway. AKA Domestic Enemies of the USC.

Except that voters put them there, particularly they put Trump there.

It’s Not Trump vs. the Dems. It’s Trump vs. the Country’s True Defenders.
Public servants who swore to protect the Constitution also set the impeachment process in motion.

Thomas L. Friedman
By Thomas L. Friedman
Opinion Columnist
Oct. 15, 2019

Last Thursday and Friday, two important Americans bore witness to the state of our nation. One was President Trump, addressing political rallies. The other was Marie Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine until suddenly told to get “on the next plane” — because Trump wanted her removed — without explanation.

Every American should contemplate their remarks, which I excerpt later, and then ask two questions: Whose speech would you want to read to your children’s civics class and which speaker do you think represents the America you want to see evolve and leave to your kids?

This exercise is vital because this impeachment process was not set in motion by the Democratic Party. It was set in motion by civil servants — whistle-blowers from the intelligence community, now supported by National Security Council staffers and diplomats. These public servants also took an oath to serve the country and protect the Constitution, and they have shown remarkable courage to risk their careers, and maybe more, to call out the president for violating his oath.

They are like antibodies fighting the cancer in our political system. John Bolton spoke for all of them when, while national security adviser, he reportedly instructed Fiona Hill, the N.S.C. Russia expert, to tell White House lawyers that he wanted no part “of whatever drug deal” the president’s cronies were cooking up as part of an off-the-books diplomatic effort being led by Rudy Giuliani to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden.


Opinion | It’s Not Trump vs. the Dems. It’s Trump vs. the Country’s True Defenders. - The New York Times

 

[Thoreau72]

The American voters are extremely gullible, and have been so for generations. That makes your point, whatever it may be, irrelevant.

When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts, sayeth William Casey of the CIA in 1981.

Goebbels explained all that. You should try reading what he said sometime. Public perceptions have long been manipulated to take countries to war, long before the US even existed.

Voting under the American system is very much an illusion, and most people still haven't figured that out.