would you vote to repeal the 2nd ammendment

[TurtleDude]

Yes, they are; the citation above is a direct quote from our Constitution and supreme law of the land in every Conflict of laws in our Republic.

so a citizen over the age 45 is still subject to militia service?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Sorry; there is no appeal to ignorance of express Constitutional law.

Our Second Article of Amendment is not and cannot Be, a Constitution unto itself.

Sentence one is false, no appeal to ignorance is being made, a citation of SCOTUS rulings, which are constitutional law were made which refute your assertion.

Sentence two is a straw man, I am not arguing that, neither is anyone else.

 

[danielpalos]

so a citizen over the age 45 is still subject to militia service?

There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[OpportunityCost]

There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Adults over 45 are not subject to militia service. The ignorance is entirely within your sad argument where you address nothing and continue bot spamming tautology.

 

[haymarket]

How is this thread still alive after all this time? Oh wait!!!!! Its about loving ones guns as the new religion.

Never mind.

 

[TurtleDude]

There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

more stupidity. those quotes aren't US law. Try the US Code before blathering on about stuff you clearly have no clue about.

 

[TurtleDude]

Adults over 45 are not subject to militia service. The ignorance is entirely within your sad argument where you address nothing and continue bot spamming tautology.

I think the programmer doesn't really understand the issue and hence the program spouts ignorance

 

[danielpalos]

Adults over 45 are not subject to militia service. The ignorance is entirely within your sad argument where you address nothing and continue bot spamming tautology.

You merely appeal to ignorance of our federal form of Government, like most right wingers. Coincidence or conspiracy?

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[danielpalos]

more stupidity. those quotes aren't US law. Try the US Code before blathering on about stuff you clearly have no clue about.

lol. you have nothing but appeals to ignorance like most foreign born nationals who weren't born in the New World. We don't have a Unitary form of federal Government.

 

[OpportunityCost]

You merely appeal to ignorance of our federal form of Government, like most right wingers. Coincidence or conspiracy?

This is the common law for the common defense:

Bull****, I know our federal form of government, you are tossing that ignorance crap around awfully freely for someone that refuses to prove any of their assertions or even offer evidence.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14, § 311; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656; renumbered § 246, Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title XII, § 1241(a)(2), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2497.)

 

[danielpalos]

Bull****, I know our federal form of government, you are tossing that ignorance crap around awfully freely for someone that refuses to prove any of their assertions or even offer evidence.

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14, § 311; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656; renumbered § 246, Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title XII, § 1241(a)(2), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2497.)

That is the federal militia not State militias.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

New York State Constitution

 

[Evilroddy]

No. I would not support ending the Second Amendment of the US constitution.

But I would support enforcing that amendment exactly as it was written in the constitution, making the right to own and bear arms a collective right designed to muster citizen-soldiers into effective and well-regulated state militias. The 2008 decision by the SCOTUS to reinterpret this amendment as an expression of an individual's right to own and bear arms was a big mistake. There is plenty of precedent and jurisprudence supporting the individual's right to own and bear arms from British common law but the Second Amendment was not one of those sources. It was clearly written as a collective right to protect the combat potency of well regulated state militias.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[OpportunityCost]

That is the federal militia not State militias.

State militias have age requirements as well, for the NY naval Militia its 67.

Oh, and look, Illinois which you kept quoting over and over like a bot:

All able-bodied citizens of this State and all other able-bodied residents in this State who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, between the ages of 18 and 45, except such as are expressly exempted by the laws of the United States and the State of Illinois, shall be subject to ...

Its just like the Fed, 45.