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Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?


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Taxation is not theft. Income is not a function of willpower. And yes, there can be lots of external reasons why someone might not be wealthy.

No reason to repeat your nonsense. Bologna. Thank the gods someone preserves Picasso's oeuvre. Your vision of excessive redistribution of wealth by taxation is a theft.

I could care less about anyone's excuse's for not building wealth. Oh! The poor unprivileged you. :rofl
 
Washington grew hemp. Not marijuana.



The wealthy often store their capital in ways that do not, in fact, generate further economic activity.

When you purchase a stock, you're transferring capital to another individual (who may or may not spend it). However, owning the stock does not create jobs, or provide the company with any additional capital. All it does is sit there, until you are ready to sell.

Purchasing a home will generate some economic activity at the time of purchase. However, obviously people are hoping that it will appreciate in value much faster than whatever you've put into it, based not on economic activity generated by the home, but by an assumption that supply will drop and/or demand will rise.

Arbitrage, shorting stocks, credit default swaps, some derivatives, and other speculative vehicles also produce minimal economic activity. They do offer some benefit (primarily by increasing liquidity) but if you get rich off of exploiting differences in currency rates, you're not creating jobs.

Art, jewelry, collectibles, autos generate a little activity, but a Picasso doesn't appreciate in value over time because it's generating economic activity and providing someone with a job.

Economic rents are generally seen as negative for everyone except the rentier. E.g. patent trolls aren't creating jobs, in fact they may be hindering entrepreneurship by threatening innovators.

In contrast, buying bonds generates economic activity, because it's lending the capital to someone who is going to use it. We should note that the secondary market doesn't really create jobs, though it does help the market by enhancing liquidity.



lol... No, inheritance isn't earned by the inheritor. How silly.

Income inequality has not been static. It was very high in the Gilded Age and rose to a peak before the Great Depression; it fell in the 1940s through 1970s; then, when Reagan slashed taxes on the wealthy, and CEOs decided to award themselves higher pay. There is a lot going on that has nothing to do with merit, and a lot to do with policies and self-dealing.

The wealthy can provide a huge range of advantages to their kids. They can afford high-quality education for their kids (without crippling debts), which enhances the personal networks that are critical for success. They give their kids excellent nutrition and medical care. The kids don't have to grow up in constant fear of crime, or subjected to asthma-inducing pollution. They can handle a $1000 emergency or being out of work for 6 months. Even the biggest screw-up can be prevented from blowing all their assets, if the parents set up a trust fund with halfway decent (i.e. non-embezzling) trustee.

We see this in mobility statistics in the US. If the only factor in economic success was merit, then we'd see something close to perfect mobility -- i.e. everyone has a 20% chance of ending up in any of the income quintiles. That's not what happens in the US. Instead, the top and bottom are "sticky" -- someone born in the top 20% or bottom 20% is highly likely to stay that way.

The idea that America offers "equal opportunity to all" or "it's all up to the individual" is not reality. It's a myth.



The problem with the "philanthropy" argument is that the wealthy are getting wealthier that before, because of tax cuts. Instead of the public having some input on how we allocate resources to public goods, it's controlled by a small group who got wealthy, in no small part, because they figured out how to manipulate and alter the tax code to their advantage.

They also pay more in taxes because they are capturing all the income gains.



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Taxation is not theft. Income is not a function of willpower. And yes, there can be lots of external reasons why someone might not be wealthy.

It's nice to see other people lay down some fact packed truth bombs, versus the much more typical argumentation (including from the side I agree with) on the basis of anecdote and principles/beliefs. Good stuff.
 
It is crazy. It is absolutely crazy that the President of the United States of America didn't understand why we can't nuke other countries. That is the very definition of bat**** crazy.
So in your head, you want our enemies knowing that we have nukes that we will never use...correct? And you think Trump is crazy for calling out that policy ...correct?
 
I see nobody advocating that everybody be exactly the same. Of course there will be rich and there will be poor and there will be those in between. What we are discussing is what are the reasonable limits our society will permit and what steps do we take when those limits are exceeded and threaten societal stability and peace?

I am reminded of the time Obama told Joe the plumber he had made enough money. Who was Obama to decide how much money Joe the plumber was entitled to make? Did Obama ever ask Hillary about her more than $100 million earnings from donors to her piggy bank foundation? Probably not. Why should he? Why should the government involve itself in how much Americans make with an eye to setting limits?
 
So in your head, you want our enemies knowing that we have nukes that we will never use...correct? And you think Trump is crazy for calling out that policy ...correct?

No. Trump is crazy for not knowing why it would have been ludicrously unwise to use nuclear weapons against another country... in 2016.

If you really don't understand why this is crazy, let me explain it to you:

A.) POTUS can unequivocally authorize the use of nuclear weapons.
B.) A POTUS who directed the use of nuclear weapons with the state of global affairs in 2016 would be extremely lucky if his military refused the order and he was instantly impeached. If they didn't, assuming the US survived the retaliatory strike, he would probably be convicted of war crimes and executed.
C.) A person who is elected to the highest office in the land who was unaware of B in 2016 is far more ignorant and/or insane than Alexandria Ocasio Cortez could ever be.
 
Yes, she is of age (in this hypothetical). This is a generic question. No opponents are named. This is just a question of would you ever vote her president or not.

Absolutely not. Dog catcher, Barista, local supervisor maybe. For President of the USA!?! Have you lost your bloody mind? There could be worse people but I would be hard pressed to think of them. Hillary Clinton. Never mind. I found a scenario were I would vote for AOC. If she where in a race with HRC. Then I would vote for her. So HRC never sees the inside of the White again.
 
I am reminded of the time Obama told Joe the plumber he had made enough money. Who was Obama to decide how much money Joe the plumber was entitled to make? Did Obama ever ask Hillary about her more than $100 million earnings from donors to her piggy bank foundation? Probably not. Why should he? Why should the government involve itself in how much Americans make with an eye to setting limits?

No person has the right to decide how much money another person may make.

But society certainly does.
 
Absolutely not. Dog catcher, Barista, local supervisor maybe. For President of the USA!?! Have you lost your bloody mind? There could be worse people but I would be hard pressed to think of them. Hillary Clinton. Never mind. I found a scenario were I would vote for AOC. If she where in a race with HRC. Then I would vote for her. So HRC never sees the inside of the White again.

I'd have to disagree with you there. If the choice was between HRC and AOC, I would vote Hillary. Or, better yet, I would probably jump off a high bridge or walk in front of a train.
 
No. Trump is crazy for not knowing why it would have been ludicrously unwise to use nuclear weapons against another country... in 2016.

If you really don't understand why this is crazy, let me explain it to you:

A.) POTUS can unequivocally authorize the use of nuclear weapons.
B.) A POTUS who directed the use of nuclear weapons with the state of global affairs in 2016 would be extremely lucky if his military refused the order and he was instantly impeached. If they didn't, assuming the US survived the retaliatory strike, he would probably be convicted of war crimes and executed.
C.) A person who is elected to the highest office in the land who was unaware of B in 2016 is far more ignorant and/or insane than Alexandria Ocasio Cortez could ever be.
Yes..um...trump was questioning your A) flag in which foreign policy experts told him he cant. You just supported Trump without understanding why.
 
Yes..um...trump was questioning your A) flag in which foreign policy experts told him he cant. You just supported Trump without understanding why.

No, he asked "If we have them, why can't we use them." Nice try though.
 
No. Trump is crazy for not knowing why it would have been ludicrously unwise to use nuclear weapons against another country... in 2016.

If you really don't understand why this is crazy, let me explain it to you:

A.) POTUS can unequivocally authorize the use of nuclear weapons.
B.) A POTUS who directed the use of nuclear weapons with the state of global affairs in 2016 would be extremely lucky if his military refused the order and he was instantly impeached. If they didn't, assuming the US survived the retaliatory strike, he would probably be convicted of war crimes and executed.
C.) A person who is elected to the highest office in the land who was unaware of B in 2016 is far more ignorant and/or insane than Alexandria Ocasio Cortez could ever be.
We all know the use of Nuclear weapons is a last resort. The part thevTDS deranged left fails to comprehend is you never ever tell your enemies that you will never use your nukes. Do you grasp that concept or not?
 
We all know the use of Nuclear weapons is a last resort. The part thevTDS deranged left fails to comprehend is you never ever tell your enemies that you will never use your nukes. Do you grasp that concept or not?

"If we have them, why can't we use them?" That's what he said. Three times. To his foreign policy expert. That is asking why we can't use our nukes against our enemies right now. The fact that we can't use our nuclear weapons against North Korea today in no way implies that we will never use our nukes against North Korea. Do you grasp that concept?
 
We all know the use of Nuclear weapons is a last resort. The part thevTDS deranged left fails to comprehend is you never ever tell your enemies that you will never use your nukes. Do you grasp that concept or not?

Trump is an idiot. You never threaten to use them either as it can promote a first strike by your adversary.

The idiot has no clue to these simple truths.
 
"If we have them, why can't we use them?" That's what he said. Three times. To his foreign policy expert. That is asking why we can't use our nukes against our enemies right now. The fact that we can't use our nuclear weapons against North Korea today in no way implies that we will never use our nukes against North Korea. Do you grasp that concept?

You will have no success in getting this poster to understand this,. That is why he is a Trumpet.
 
You will have no success in getting this poster to understand this,. That is why he is a Trumpet.

I generally respond for the benefit of others reading the thread more so than the person I'm directly responding to. It's more important to me to publicly call out BS when I see it than it is to change one person's mind or win an argument.
 
"If we have them, why can't we use them?" That's what he said. Three times. To his foreign policy expert. That is asking why we can't use our nukes against our enemies right now. The fact that we can't use our nuclear weapons against North Korea today in no way implies that we will never use our nukes against North Korea. Do you grasp that concept?
Utter BS. Trumps comment was NOT about him wanting to nuke someone. His comment was as I previously noted. If you are seriously sitting there making the argument that Trump wants to nuke someone just cuz.....let me know. I have 0 toletance for facebook level politics on a political forum site. Is that yoyr stance?
 
Trump is an idiot. You never threaten to use them either as it can promote a first strike by your adversary.

The idiot has no clue to these simple truths.

oh gosh you didnt tell Russia did you? Jesus...Its called peace through force. NK stopped flying missiles over our allies. You are simply wrong.
 
Utter BS. Trumps comment was NOT about him wanting to nuke someone. His comment was as I previously noted. If you are seriously sitting there making the argument that Trump wants to nuke someone just cuz.....let me know. I have 0 toletance for facebook level politics on a political forum site. Is that yoyr stance?

No. I'm making the argument that Trump didn't understand why he couldn't use our nukes in 2016.
 
oh gosh you didnt tell Russia did you? Jesus...Its called peace through force. NK stopped flying missiles over our allies. You are simply wrong.

You believe Kim stopped flying missiels because Trump talked like an asshole?

Good God, what is wrong with you people?
 
No person has the right to decide how much money another person may make.

But society certainly does.

How much does society claim Hillary should have been limited to make as SOS and who is the official to make that decision? Trump?
 
You believe Kim stopped flying missiels because Trump talked like an asshole?

Good God, what is wrong with you people?

No he stopped because Trump conveyed in a most public fashion that there would be consequeces to his actions. It is called peace through force and it worked again in this case. You have to be bat**** nutter if you dont think this is what happened.
 
How much does society claim Hillary should have been limited to make as SOS and who is the official to make that decision? Trump?

I am sorry but I do not follow your question. The most direct answer is the same laws that apply to all who earn income would have applied to Clinton. Those laws were enacted by the US Congress representing the people of the United States.
 
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