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Woman with crude anti-Trump truck decal arrested for fraud

HowardBThiname said:
If a person was walking down the street waving a sign with the F word on it -- he'd be arrested in virtually every city in this nation.

The charge would likely be disorderly conduct, which means the woman was charged fairly.

I just keep thinking how sh*tty it would be to be her husband.
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Wow. It's already been explained to you that the Supreme Court said, no you could NOT arrest someone for that - all the way back in 1971 - and you still insist that yes you'd be arrested and it'd be just.

:doh

Read post 14, follow the link to the other thread, and then read the lengthy discussion of caselaw. Don't just splatter the board with BS because it sounds right to you.
 
Crovax said:
And of course the officer tried to over step his authority
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Police harassment, that must be it. Nothing wrong with fraud or being a despicable back alley mouth, but yeah, the popo.
 
Praxas said:
True, but as it relates to the article I still don't understand why people have a problem with that bumper sticker but said nothing when there were bumper stickers that showed pictures of Hillary and Obama saying "How does my ass look?".

And no, I know you don't have a problem with the stickers. I just wish people would apply it consistently. Myself, it is a bumper sticker and nothing more.
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It is always advisable to measure your self worth on what is good and decent, not the opposite.
 
Praxas said:
True, but as it relates to the article I still don't understand why people have a problem with that bumper sticker but said nothing when there were bumper stickers that showed pictures of Hillary and Obama saying "How does my ass look?".

And no, I know you don't have a problem with the stickers. I just wish people would apply it consistently. Myself, it is a bumper sticker and nothing more.
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It is not a bumper sticker, of course you already knew that.

Don't try to diminish the size of it by calling it a bumper sticker.

It is the size of the back window of the truck. There is no missing what it says.
 
Praxas said:
funny that Texas had no problem with bumper stickers that had pictures of Hillary and Obama that said "How does me ass look?". I guess it's ok to be obscene in Texas as long as it is a Dem being made fun of.
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Can you post a picture of one of those?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Pro-tip: Do not try to be a peacock when you have warrants. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Ah the truth hurts.
Wonder if the C grabber cult know "
trump" is the word for fart in the uk?
To be trumped in ny means to be screwed out of your money?
"America First" was the name of our WWII Nazi group?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, not to any rational, emotionally mature adult.
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Really? So you say ‘**** Trump’ but you don’t mean ‘**** Trump’? Are you sure? I bet you do mean that.


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VanceMack said:
Really? So you say ‘**** Trump’ but you don’t mean ‘**** Trump’? Are you sure? I bet you do mean that.


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A. I haven't said anything.
B. Words have different meanings, depending on context.
C. The board simply isn't the place for your sexual fantasies.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A. I haven't said anything.
B. Words have different meanings, depending on context.
C. The board simply isn't the place for your sexual fantasies.
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Sorry...but ‘**** Trump’ has some very specific connotations. Surely you would agree. What does it mean to YOU?


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YorkshirePete said:
Ah the truth hurts.
Wonder if the C grabber cult know "
trump" is the word for fart in the uk?
To be trumped in ny means to be screwed out of your money?
"America First" was the name of our WWII Nazi group?
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:confused:
 
VanceMack said:
Sorry...but ‘**** Trump’ has some very specific connotations. Surely you would agree. What does it mean to YOU?


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So, IOW, your lack of facility in the English language, in this case in regards to the various meanings of '****', are what's hanging you up here.

No one here is interested in your sexual fantasies.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
So, IOW, your lack of facility in the English language, in this case in regards to the various meanings of '****', are what's hanging you up here.

No one here is interested in your sexual fantasies.
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Yes yes. You think you have a ‘winner’ with your sad little ‘sexual fantasies’ thing. I get it. You get it’s not working and you are just making yourself look stupid...right?

So...you insist there is another meaning to the words ‘**** Trump’ though it’s unlikely you know the woman and HER intent. So please...continue...describe the other nuances meanings of the use of the words ‘**** Trump’. And you shouldn’t have to worry about a sexual connotation because you are sure there isn’t one. So carry on.


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Mr Person said:
The constitutionality of arresting her simply for driving around that sticker was extensively addressed here:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...driver-speaks-kprc-2-a-12.html#post1067854733

The exact concern you articulate was addressed there, specifically, how the Supreme Court rejected it back in 1971 (and the case is still good law on that front - Cohen, involving a man who wore a jacket reading "**** the draft" in public).

Basically, there's every reason to believe she could not constitutionally be charged with disorderly simply for driving around with the sticker.






Of course, if she's going to attract attention to herself she probably shouldn't have outstanding warrants, but that's a different matter and is her problem.
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If you read that Court decision a little closer, you'll find that the justices did not justify the use of all four-letter-words in the public arena. They ruled because that individual case was found not to be in an effort to "incite."

However, this redneck gal was very likely trying to incite, and communities have public indecency laws to protect the children.

I'm sure she'd also have been pulled over and charged if her sign read "F*ck All N*ggers and Anyone Who Marries N*ggers."

At some point, you have to understand that lines of decency are being crossed and free speech isn't always free.
 
What if...? said:
And as long as we can be incensed by a mouth sound we are ****ed as a species.
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That was a ludicrous thing to say.

Considering that at the current point in time, humans in most nations have more freedom of speech than they ever have before, it certainly does not indicate that we're ****ed as a species.
 
VanceMack said:
Yes yes. You think you have a ‘winner’ with your sad little ‘sexual fantasies’ thing. I get it. You get it’s not working and you are just making yourself look stupid...right?
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LOL! Of course it's working. You're the one who think '****' only has one meaning, and you're exposing your rather laughable ignorance and lack of facility in basic English.
So...you insist there is another meaning to the words ‘**** Trump’ though it’s unlikely you know the woman and HER intent. So please...continue...describe the other nuances meanings of the use of the words ‘**** Trump’. And you shouldn’t have to worry about a sexual connotation because you are sure there isn’t one. So carry on.
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Ha! Says the psychic who claims she want's to be gangbanged, literally, because of a sticker.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/****

Please stop spewing your poor English and sexual fantasies all over this thread. Most inappropriate.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to help you with your English at a very modest fee.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! Of course it's working. You're the one who think '****' only has one meaning, and you're exposing your rather laughable ignorance and lack of facility in basic English.

Ha! Says the psychic who claims she want's to be gangbanged, literally, because of a sticker.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/****

Please stop spewing your poor English and sexual fantasies all over this thread. Most inappropriate.

If you'd like, I'd be happy to help you with your English at a very modest fee.
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Yes...of course. You OBVIOUSLY think its a witty and intelligent commentary. Thats kinda sad in and of itself.

YOU are the one that is claiming the actual word means something different than what it means. Yet you lack the capacity to simply say what you think it means beyond literally ****ing Trump. Im certainly open to enlightenment. So what do YOU think '**** Trump' means?
 
VanceMack said:
Yes...of course. You OBVIOUSLY think its a witty and intelligent commentary. Thats kinda sad in and of itself.

YOU are the one that is claiming the actual word means something different than what it means. Yet you lack the capacity to simply say what you think it means beyond literally ****ing Trump. Im certainly open to enlightenment. So what do YOU think '**** Trump' means?
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What's sad is that you think your fetishistic obsession with gangbangs has anything to do with this topic of is appropriate for this forum.

I already supplied you with another definition of the word. This seems really, really difficult for you.
 
HowardBThiname said:
If you read that Court decision a little closer, you'll find that the justices did not justify the use of all four-letter-words in the public arena. They ruled because that individual case was found not to be in an effort to "incite."

However, this redneck gal was very likely trying to incite, and communities have public indecency laws to protect the children.

I'm sure she'd also have been pulled over and charged if her sign read "F*ck All N*ggers and Anyone Who Marries N*ggers."

At some point, you have to understand that lines of decency are being crossed and free speech isn't always free.
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Read it closely? I read it in the past. I read it again to argue with ecofarm over in that thread.

We're not talking about your alternate hypotheticals wiht F and N and all that. If you really do go read that thread, you'll realize that I read that and plenty of other decisions relatively closely and I rather know a thing or two about how legal analysis works. I don't claim to have done a complete federal survey to see if there is any case addressing something exactly like that sticker because that would taken fifty, maybe a hundred hours. Who knows.

But the bottom line is that that sticker differs in little respect from the jacket, and all the reasons people mentioned for saying here OR there that she could be legitimately punished for having the sticker on her truck were dismissed by the court in the seminal case.

:shrug:

Basically, find a case that was not overturned that carves out some distinction covering that sticker and we can argue more, but otherwise this is an open-and-shut case. She's allowed to drive around offending people with the sticker. Obviously, it didn't work out for her because she got her name in the media, and then they realized there were already other warrants out for her. But that's neither here nor there.
 
Mr Person said:
Read it closely? I read it in the past. I read it again to argue with ecofarm over in that thread.

We're not talking about your alternate hypotheticals wiht F and N and all that. If you really do go read that thread, you'll realize that I read that and plenty of other decisions relatively closely and I rather know a thing or two about how legal analysis works. I don't claim to have done a complete federal survey to see if there is any case addressing something exactly like that sticker because that would taken fifty, maybe a hundred hours. Who knows.

But the bottom line is that that sticker differs in little respect from the jacket, and all the reasons people mentioned for saying here OR there that she could be legitimately punished for having the sticker on her truck were dismissed by the court in the seminal case.

:shrug:

Basically, find a case that was not overturned that carves out some distinction covering that sticker and we can argue more, but otherwise this is an open-and-shut case. She's allowed to drive around offending people with the sticker. Obviously, it didn't work out for her because she got her name in the media, and then they realized there were already other warrants out for her. But that's neither here nor there.
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What do people use for brains? What sort of warrants?
 
Mr Person said:
Read it closely? I read it in the past. I read it again to argue with ecofarm over in that thread.

We're not talking about your alternate hypotheticals wiht F and N and all that. If you really do go read that thread, you'll realize that I read that and plenty of other decisions relatively closely and I rather know a thing or two about how legal analysis works. I don't claim to have done a complete federal survey to see if there is any case addressing something exactly like that sticker because that would taken fifty, maybe a hundred hours. Who knows.
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That's incorrect. I read the actual decision and the ruling specifies that in the case of the jacket, the F-word was not an incitement, so it qualified as free speech. That's absolutely clear. In addition, the "F and N and all that" are not hypothetical, they're examples of speech that's indecent and incitement, and not protected under the 1st Amendment.

While the most clear definition of the F-word denotes sexual intercourse, it can also be said in anger - as an attack. The way the gal in the truck used it, it means the latter. I presented the N-word scenario in the identical manner. Yet, the F-word still carries a sexual connotation is that is not suitable (for most thinking adults) to be used around children. And, our indecency laws are intended to protect children above all.

But the bottom line is that that sticker differs in little respect from the jacket, and all the reasons people mentioned for saying here OR there that she could be legitimately punished for having the sticker on her truck were dismissed by the court in the seminal case.
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I hope this gal takes the ACLU up on their offer and sues the police department. If it goes anyway, I think we'll see that using the F-word in that context is defined as "fighting words" just as it would be if it were used in my example in conjunction with the N-word.

Context matters. That was the main point of the SCOTUS ruling.

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Basically, find a case that was not overturned that carves out some distinction covering that sticker and we can argue more, but otherwise this is an open-and-shut case. She's allowed to drive around offending people with the sticker. Obviously, it didn't work out for her because she got her name in the media, and then they realized there were already other warrants out for her. But that's neither here nor there.
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Using your logic, you would also feel that she could drive around offending people with a sign that read "F*uck N*ggers and F*uck Everyone Who Marries N*ggers."

Because -- they are identical.

If you protect her -- you're also protecting the other.
 
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