Millions of Americans will get health insurance, after things smooth out a bit the RW will be reduced to outrages about Mrs Smith in New Jersey not being able to get an appointment on Monday and will have to wait till Tuesday afternoon. If it works out that way the GOP will just fade away...
Millions of Americans will get health insurance, after things smooth out a bit the RW will be reduced to outrages about Mrs Smith in New Jersey not being able to get an appointment on Monday and will have to wait till Tuesday afternoon. If it works out that way the GOP will just fade away...
What's on after Fantasy Island?
You encapsulated it's future in your thread title.Assuming the web site issues are fixed, what will happen with the ACA?
One of you two will be correct and the next election will be your proof of victory. For once, we'll get real answers when the people speak in 2014.
You encapsulated it's future in your thread title.
Assuming the web site issues are fixed, what will happen with the ACA?
Assuming the web site issues are fixed, what will happen with the ACA?
We won't get real answers nearly that soon. This PPACA mess, in one form or another, is with us until at least 2017. The federal takeover of "private" medical care insurance will never be reversed; once the federal gov't gets a power it never releases it.
If ObamaCare isn't repealed, the US healthcare market will stratify in three segments:
Regardless, without the young invincibles signing up, who are not signing up in droves by the way, ObamaCare is going to go bankrupt by
- The young invincibles won't be signing up anytime soon. To them, it's a just a tax. If they do have a major medical, they'll typically have their parents pay for it out of pocket or on their plan, if they have one.
- Those that can afford it will pay cash for concierge doctoring which will pretty much be as it is for them now. These folks can afford a major medical calamity out of pocket.
- Those who can't afford paying cash will have to deal with ObamaCare with it's increased wait times, poorer care, smaller network, shorter approved prescription list, and will do so for the simply fact that if they had a major medical calamity, it'd bankrupt them, not that the proposed premiums and deductibles would already anyway.
Assuming that the Republicans gain control of both houses, and if the Republicans do take on ObamaCare, it'll be 'improvements' or 'fixes' that essentially hollows out the existing bill and writes a new one (possibly a more viable and financially sound one) in its place under the same name. This so that the narcissist Obama can still call it 'Obamacare', leaving his legacy in place, well so to speak.
- Covering the medical expenses of those who do sign up, the more sickly and elderly, and
- Bailing out / paying off the health care insurance companies who aren't making profit, which is in the law itself
If the Republicans don't take this track, or if Obama vetoes the proposed 'fix', the health care system in the US will descend even further into chaos. Part of me is thinking this is as intended by the liberals / progressive / Democrats, in order to promote a government run single payer system, the end goal from day one.
WRT Single Payer: The part that I don't get, with the abject failure of ObamaCare which was partial government control, how are the liberals / progressives / Democrats going to sell total government control to the electorate? I mean the US electorate is slow and doesn't always pay close attention ()after all Obama got elected on little more than a Hope and Change slogan), but how could they miss this abject failure of ObamaCare and then turn around and ask for more?
I think© we'll see enough results by next election to know how we really feel about this. If it works well enough, you'll see little change. If it's as screwed up as it is now or as it's accused of being, you'll see a tidal shift in the electorate.
And following your own statement, D or R, the Feds are the Feds and I doubt electing Ted Cruz (or similar or Shawn Hannity for that matter) will cause the Feds to relinquish one iota of power.
I agree with most of what you wrote. A couple of things pertaining to the red parts:
1. I do not foresee Obamacare going bankrupt unintentionally. The government will just continue to shovel our tax dollars into this POS. Then they will say that O-care is a great success. (without stating explicitly how much it is costing us) They will continue to fund this because it is much easier for proponents to do than admit that they rushed and forced through bad legislation.
2. You are correct-Obama is a perfect example of a narcissist. Because of that, he will be extremely reluctant to make any changes that do not produce political benefits. Particularly, if the suggested changes come from anyone on the right.
3. Single Payer: It has always puzzled me why the Dems did not push through Single Payer when they had their chance. They easily could have when they passed this bill into law. I have come to the conclusion that there probably was substantial lobbying and lobby dollars from insurance and healthcare companies. Essentially, the Dems were paid off.
I have no problem with you redlining your contributions. I don't think that any single person is going to get everything correct anyway, and I welcome the chance of reading another person's perspective on these. Hey, it's all open for discussion, right?
I agree with your point #1. Dems, and probably also Repubs will continue to shovel money into this POS. It must be in their DNA or something.
On #2, I guess it really depends on how hard the remaining Dems in congress, and those that want to be elected to congress, are going to push Obama on it. I can see him vetoing any 'fixes'. It'd just be delicious irony should the veto be overridden with bi-partisan support.
#3, Single payer was thrown under the bus pretty early as a bargaining chip in Obama's negotiation with his own party when ObamaCare was still being drafted.
Some of the punditry are calling out that liberalism and activist government may very well die for the next 10 years because of ObamaCare. This makes me think that single payer is gone for a good number of years, a good thing too, I think.
But it is true that the damage has already been done. The previous system is destroyed, not to return from the ashes, and ObamaCare is going down in flames also probably not to return from the ashes. So what's going to be coming next? it won't be the old system, that's gone. It won't be ObamaCare . It'll be something different, probably closer to Obamacare than not, and guaranteed that everyone is going to end up paying more for their health care insurance. Same thing that happened when government intervened itself in the regulated AT&T monopoly, the customers had to pay more. The monopoly, in the mean time, has in fact reformed itself. Tells you how wise government interference in free markets is.
I think we've seen the tidal shift already, in recent polls. I can't at this minute, but dig them out.
Sorry, Eohrnberger. I am a neophyte around here. My redlining was just to make my response more understandable and transparent. should I be doing it differently?
Your latest post's last two sentences are awesome and accurate. IMHO
I really don't buy into polls. They are usually agenda driven and untrustworthy. Simple nuances of terminology tend to manipulate results. Question that can't be answered (have you stopped being a criminal? Is Obama a great President? Can 2+2=5).
As you can see on this board, we still don't have anyone who posted a) what they pay now and b) what they bought through the exchange. Instead, we get anecdotes either praising or vilifying ACA that are usually very coincidentally matched to that person's political beliefs.
So, as we roll into 2014, we'll find out the real world results and it will be good, bad or indifferent. This - despite Americas short term memory problems - will reflect itself at the voting booth in 2014.