How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.:roll::lol:
Maggie said:You didn't even read it. It was about one small group in one county. Do your homework. And what's "meme"?
A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.
Elk Grove teachers union agrees to concessions; members to vote - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee
Naugatuck (WTNH) - Facing a nearly $1.5 million deficit, teachers in Naugatuck agreed to concessions to avoid layoffs.
Naugatuck teachers agree to concessions | wtnh.com connecticut
In a contract breakthrough that eluded the previous Milwaukee Public Schools administration, the teachers union leadership on Friday agreed to concessions on health benefits that will save up to $50 million over the next two years.
MPS, teachers union reach deal on contract - JSOnline
SYLVANIA, OH (WTOL) -The union representing teachers in Sylvania schools has agreed to concessions resulting in $1.4 million in savings.
Sylvania teachers agree to concessions to save jobs - WTOL.com - Toledo's News Leader |
Hudson teachers had a contract until next September, but agreed to concessions Monday in hopes of persuading voters to approve an operating levy on the Nov. 2 ballot.
It’s a one-year contract beginning next September that includes no raise in base pay and a modification in the current contract that increases the teachers’ contribution toward health care to 10 percent beginning in January.
Hudson teachers agree to concessions
AURORA — Union Local 1514 American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees has become the third employees union to reach a concession deal with the city of Aurora for 2011, the city announced Thursday.
Third Aurora city workers union agrees to concessions - Beacon News
Santa Barbara County’s largest employee union, SEIU Local 620, has agreed to concessions for this upcoming year that will save the county nearly $8.5 million.
The Santa Barbara Independent County
NORTH RIDGEVILLE Mayor David Gillock said members of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 3442 were hoping for salary increases. However, after union negotiations earlier this month, they took some concessions.
After reaching the collective bargaining agreement, the city’s AFSCME and non-bargaining union employees effectively will give up 4 percent of their income for at least the next two years, with 10 furlough days to be taken over the course of a year.
North Ridgeville union agrees to concessions | cleveland.com
Just because someone posts a bunch of links doesn't mean anything. When one researches those links one finds what mr. Boo didn't want you to find as he figured a bunch of links would scare everyone off. Not so. I can spot that smoke blowing technique. Fact is that Brian Beutler at TPM said Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker “ginned up” a “budget shortfall“. Can you figure out what happened next? All the left-leaning sheeple lined up and started bahhhhhing in chorus as Ms.Bouie at The American Prospect said Walker’s deficit reducing plan was “a ginned up crisis“. Political fiction writer Steven Benen says Walker is insincere, so you see Boo is just parroting him. The constitutionally confused Ezra Klein claims the and so Klein brazenly went on to explain that the governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit. Sounds good and appears to indict the Guv, but grab your drawers before they hit the floor. That's what Boo wanted you to believe, but even Klein was forced to change his mind in an update to that same post. Did I miss that update in your post Boo? The $130 million deficit now projected for 2011 isn’t the fault of the tax breaks passed during Walker’s special session.
How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.:roll::lol:
I'm gonna take a break 'cause it took me about 10 minutes of hard diggin' to find all this out and I'm due for a non-union break. Feel free Boo to go forth and confirm that I haven't posted any misleading information here.
Wisconsin State Constitution requires:
"Oath of office. Section 28. Members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, except such inferior officers as may be by law exempted, shall before they enter upon the duties of their respective offices, take and subscribe an oath or affirmation to support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and faithfully to discharge the duties of their respective offices to the best of their ability."
Wisconsin Legislature Data
Also Wisconsin law requires: "946.12 Misconduct in public office. Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:
946.12(1)
(1) Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer's or employee's office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law"
Wisconsin Statutes 946.12 - Misconduct in public office :: Lawserver
Public unions are and have been making concessions.
Broaden your horizons. It's not just about Wisconsin. It's about an attempt at union-busting across the nation. Public unions are and have been making concessions.
I referenced this:You're actualyl pretty close, but not exact. I don't believe the state has a 45 million surplus, as you seem to indicate.
The WI budget is currently scheduled to finish the fiscal period ending 06/11 137 million in the hole. This was mostly due to shortfalls in state medicare. I knew the $200 million raid by the former governor (Doyle) was in the courts, I didn't realize they had ruled on it yet - did that just come down today? Anyway, adding the 200 mill that has to be repaid leaves the state in a nearly $400 mill hole.
As you correctly indicated, the tax cuts that Ezra Klein and Rachel Maddow were trying to claim caused the shortfall, haven't even taken effect yet. Those tax cuts will affect the next fiscal period.
Source: Court says Wis. must repay malpractice fund $200M - BusinessWeekState Rep. Mark Pocan, co-chairman of the Legislature's budget-writing committee, said it was too early to know whether the decision would force lawmakers back into session to take action before they are scheduled to return in January.
"We just really don't know at this point," Pocan said.
The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit.
Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own. But the point is that public (and private unions) are and have been giving up recently bargained gains in their living conditions. They're not the big mean, greedy people out to destroy the taxpayers, as betrayed. They're struggling and just trying to get by, like many others. It's a little disheartening to adjust your financial standards downward, while trying to tread water, and then have someone come along and give you a shove on the head.Maggie said:You list these concessions as if they're a bad thing.
No, I didn't post anything on union-busting in that post, but what's going on in Wisconsin is but a bigger part of the assault on unions from the right and that didn't just start a couple of weeks ago.Maggie said:I see o attempt to "bust unions" from what you've posted. I see an austerity program that's long overdue.
not enough
too late
wisconsin is gonna write FUNDAMENTAL REFORM
and it's gonna spread far and wide
deal with it
Walker has let the genie out of the bottle. The Labor Movement, after years of steady decline, will surely benefit by these showdowns in WI, OH, and IN - just for starters. As this plutocrat putsch unfolds, look for more citizen awareness, and strong public objections to their agenda.
Blowback is an activist reactionary's constant companion. Throughtout history they have inevitably jumped the shark and ruined the best laid plans of the plutocrats.
Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own. But the point is that public (and private unions) are and have been giving up recently bargained gains in their living conditions. They're not the big mean, greedy people out to destroy the taxpayers, as portrayed. They're struggling and just trying to get by, like many others. It's a little disheartening to adjust your financial standards downward, while trying to tread water, and then have someone come along and give you a shove on the head.
No, I didn't post anything on union-busting in that post, but what's going on in Wisconsin is but a bigger part of the assault on unions from the right and that didn't just start a couple of weeks ago.
BWG, that describes life in general. It describes every aspect of the free market.Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own..
I see the Unions diminishing further as States are forced to slam the Unions down and the Public realizes how badly the Unions have driven both Government and Private sectors to the edge of disaster.
Walker has let the genie out of the bottle. The Labor Movement, after years of steady decline, will surely benefit by these showdowns in WI, OH, and IN - just for starters. As this plutocrat putsch unfolds, look for more citizen awareness, and strong public objections to their agenda.
Blowback is an activist reactionary's constant companion. Throughtout history they have inevitably jumped the shark and ruined the best laid plans of the plutocrats.
too abstruse, abbie hoffman
ie, not in times like these
FT: US Public Pensions Face $2.5 Trillion Shortfall
cuz TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of underfunded public TRUST---that's an awful lotta reaction
seeya at people's park, pal, put on patchouli
I referenced this:
Source: Court says Wis. must repay malpractice fund $200M - BusinessWeek
I tried going for a non-biased source. Given who they quoted I didn't doubt the veracity of the $44 million. Can you show me corroboration for that being incorrect? I do note now that that portion is not in quotes, but one is given to believe it's from the same source given the in-context continuity.
The Doyle administration report Friday projected the state would have a paper-thin surplus of $10 million this year out of an annual budget of $13.54 billion.
But the surplus figure didn't account for potentially higher costs in several state agencies. The current projected shortfall in state Medicaid programs alone is about $148 million, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau. In October, the Office of the State Public Defender estimated its shortfall for this year at more than $9 million. The potential shortfall in the Department of Corrections has not yet been released but could be significant, given the size of the state prison system.
You must be kidding. You impune a governor, any governor, as to his/her integrity for NOT cowtowing and bowing down to a bunch of lawbreakers. "They've agreed.." you said...to what? Conditions they set as irresponsible lawbreakers. Up their collective wazoos!
You want something to whine about? I'd like to see Republicans in every damned district these coward representatives represent draft recall petitions and send them in to the Gov! Then you'd have something to wring out your bloomers about. Gimme a break.
I'm well familiar with the meme - blame unions for budget deficits and a bad economy. It's well-orchestrated and found abundantly on literlly every right wing echo chamber outlet. I don't 'debate' talking points.
I see Walker's putsch leading on only one outcome - strengthened resolve in the worker's camp, and for them a better definition of their foes here - the plutocrats.
So far the Billionaire Coup (Frank Rich's term) has been quite successful, but don't count the people out just yet.
"State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They'll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session."
Paychecks To Be Withheld From Absent Wisconsin Senators
Why not? Forums are for the open exchange of ideas and opinions. Are you that fearful of trying to make intellectual points instead of vague, vacuous and extraneous one-liners?I don't 'debate' talking points.