Wisconsin Company To Implant Microchips In Employees

[Helix]

Sounds like a job for a union...

Seriously, though, this represents a major infringements on your privacy rights, and if corporations in your state have such power, I'm not sure why there isn't activism around it. I mean, it may be easier to just take it, but you can see in this case what a slippery slope that is. I have never taken a piss test, ever, nor would I work for a company that demanded it. I'm not sure it's even allowed up here - it's definitely not common, that's for sure.

Don't get me wrong; i don't support any chip bull****. I'm just saying that in the area where i work, they'd send out an email, have a company wide meeting, and announce the policy. Then it would be play ball or **** off. The only jobs I've had that didn't require physicals, piss tests, criminal background checks, and submitting to a consumer history search were academic jobs. Industry jobs have all required it. Also, you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all. That's statewide unless you're union, and few are these days.

 

[Helix]

That sucks. I wouldn't work for any company that wanted to do that.

It's that or move. Our families are here. It's not a bad state, but worker rights suck ass here compared to some states. Just the basic safety and "your boss can't demand a blow job" stuff.

 

[OlNate]

Don't get me wrong; i don't support any chip bull****. I'm just saying that in the area where i work, they'd send out an email, have a company wide meeting, and announce the policy. Then it would be play ball or **** off. The only jobs I've had that didn't require physicals, piss tests, criminal background checks, and submitting to a consumer history search were academic jobs. Industry jobs have all required it. Also, you can be fired for any reason or for no reason at all. That's statewide unless you're union, and few are these days.

That is very gross, man... I would not do well there...hehe...

 

[faithful_servant]

Are you aware that the word "offer" is not the same as "require"? They are offering it.

And why do libertarians and conservatives so fear technology?

Combining a straw man and a non sequitur in one short post. Well done! Please get back with me if you ever figure out how to address what I actually said.

You started with a straw man, it's only right that you get one thrown right back at you....

 

[EMNofSeattle]

NO WAY! It's scary as hell to think this would become the norm. "There's no GPS tracking at all" Yeah...not yet.

Well an RFID chip cannot actively broadcast a signal, its powered by receiving one, so that's actually true, but still these types of things shouldn't be legal

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

When I worked in Fort McMurray drug testing was mandatory for everyone who was even remotely involved in an accident or 'incident'. I don't know if that was ever tested in court but it was a union environment, pretty strong Building Trades unions, too, so it probably was perfectly legal.
That was a unique, even bizarre, working environment though. For example, there was no such thing as being off on worker's compensation. If you were hurt on the job, you hobbled your way to the office and sat there, collecting your wages doing crossword puzzles or reading trash novels or something. The sign at the entrance to the jobsite said, "5 Million man-days accident free!" or something equally as ridiculous. It was a joke.

Most likely it was regarding lost time injuries

My last employer certainly wanted people to work the next day after an injury (including loss of a finger tip or serious laceration) to avoid the LTI mark on its record

My current employer has the number of days since last injury

 

[Grand Mal]

Most likely it was regarding lost time injuries

My last employer certainly wanted people to work the next day after an injury (including loss of a finger tip or serious laceration) to avoid the LTI mark on its record

My current employer has the number of days since last injury

Yeah, that's what it was. Lost Time Injuries. Millions of man-hours of heavy construction without a lost-time injury. So bogus it was comical.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Yeah, that's what it was. Lost Time Injuries. Millions of man-hours of heavy construction without a lost-time injury. So bogus it was comical.

For some reason Alberta companies are very focused on LTI's. I expect Workers Comp rates are tied to it.

The company would bring people in to do light duty work if they had an injury to avoid an LTI. They did not go as far as letting them play cards however (a much smaller operation as well

 

[EMNofSeattle]

When I worked in Fort McMurray drug testing was mandatory for everyone who was even remotely involved in an accident or 'incident'. I don't know if that was ever tested in court but it was a union environment, pretty strong Building Trades unions, too, so it probably was perfectly legal.
That was a unique, even bizarre, working environment though. For example, there was no such thing as being off on worker's compensation. If you were hurt on the job, you hobbled your way to the office and sat there, collecting your wages doing crossword puzzles or reading trash novels or something. The sign at the entrance to the jobsite said, "5 Million man-days accident free!" or something equally as ridiculous. It was a joke.

And wages are probably more then workmans comp (at least in the US they are) plus getting workmans comp involves paperwork an giving statements and explanations to .... abnormal..... people who end up working at state offices and getting delayed for two months when you need cash on payday. I think that's a better solution actually

 

[Grand Mal]

For some reason Alberta companies are very focused on LTI's. I expect Workers Comp rates are tied to it.

The company would bring people in to do light duty work if they had an injury to avoid an LTI. They did not go as far as letting them play cards however (a much smaller operation as well

Compo rates can be a big cost. In BC there's a median for your industry but your rates could be 1/3 higher or lower, according to your history. If it's a high-rate industry like steel erection, that can make it tough to bid against someone who's rate is much lower than yours.

 

[Grand Mal]

And wages are probably more then workmans comp (at least in the US they are) plus getting workmans comp involves paperwork an giving statements and explanations to .... abnormal..... people who end up working at state offices and getting delayed for two months when you need cash on payday. I think that's a better solution actually

I think here, in BC, compo rates are 75%, but not taxed so you don't lose much.
I never had a problem dealing with Workers Comp, but my claims were pretty straight-forward. It's hard to argue with a broken bone or torn cartilage, but I heard horror stories from guys with back problems, for example.
When I took my Construction Safety Officer training, I learned that BC was one of the most dangerous jurisdictions in North America in terms of worker accidents, and that the BC Workers Compensation Board had a huge cash surplus. I couldn't make those two things line up.

 

[radcen]

We don't fear technology.

We fear people. People have done completely horrendous things with technology in the past. And these people have had some sort of civil/govermental/legal power over others when they did it, which is one of the reasons why I advocate Libertarianism in the first place.

Just imagine, for a second, that it was RFID implants intend of yellow stars of David. That thought should make even the most optimistic, hopeful person at least go, "hmmmm", for a second.

Bingo. How many things that we rue today started off small and unobtrusive?

 

[Helix]

That is very gross, man... I would not do well there...hehe...

You'd do ok. The "independent contractor" treatment for highly skilled science jobs is annoying, but it's not the end of the world. They also only do the intrusive **** at point of hire, because it would cost them a lot of money to do it regularly. Training costs also warrant a degree of job security. It's not so bad.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I think here, in BC, compo rates are 75%, but not taxed so you don't lose much.
I never had a problem dealing with Workers Comp, but my claims were pretty straight-forward. It's hard to argue with a broken bone or torn cartilage, but I heard horror stories from guys with back problems, for example.
When I took my Construction Safety Officer training, I learned that BC was one of the most dangerous jurisdictions in North America in terms of worker accidents, and that the BC Workers Compensation Board had a huge cash surplus. I couldn't make those two things line up.

Probably because there's a lot of higher income earners in BC.

Several years ago I slipped on ice while at work in the Sierra mountains in Nevada. Like this was the full intensity like a cartoon slip where both your feet are off the ground and full flat back on the ground. I was in pain for weeks after that, I never reported it because I could still work and workmans comp would've been far less then wages plus I would've been sent for remedial safety training and probably suspended for not wearing my ice cleats

 

[trouble13]

People have also done wonderful things with technology. Paranoia does no one any good.

I agree to an extent but being cautious about new technology isnt a bad thing either.

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[truthatallcost]

Here, gimme your hand...

Fine but what do we do when Russia hacks our microchips?

 

[trouble13]

That's ridiculous. No company is going to offer you a promotion in exchange for getting a microchip. It will totally freak out the employee and they will lose a good worker. Companies realize that there is a paranoia surrounding microchips. That's why they are an offer and likely always will be. These microchip stories have been circulating for a good 20-30 years and nothing has ever come of them. Everyone's fears on this thread are totally unwarranted.

Have you ever studied the history of henry ford and what he did with employees. He offered them more money if they agreed to live clean lifestyles. Its not that far fetched to think employers would not make similiar offers involving those chips as watchdogs

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[NeverTrump]

Have you ever studied the history of henry ford and what he did with employees. He offered them more money if they agreed to live clean lifestyles. Its not that far fetched to think employers would not make similiar offers involving those chips as watchdogs

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hardly the same thing. microchips cost nothing to make and the only benefit of them is totally up to the user of the microchip. So getting a promotion for one will make the company lose money. Plus not many people will volunteer for the program. Companies value hard work over everything else. Not rewarding people for taking what they give out for free!

 

[trouble13]

if you seriously don't know the difference between a drug test and implanting something in someone's body that is not relevant to the job that they do
then well no one can help you.

this company cannot force someone to get an implant chip put in their body.
that is a violation of personal rights.

Nobody forces anyone to drug tests either but good luck finding someone to employ you that does not require you to voluntarily agree to being tested. The concern being raised is not an unfounded one.

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[jamesrage]

It's company policy and health issues. If you don't want to work at a company that drug tests you don't have to. if a company doesn't want to hire drug users they don't have to.

And it is because of that line of thinking why it should be illegal for companies to micro-chip their employees.

 

[jamesrage]

I'll have a choice.

Yes you do,It called food stamps,section-8 housing or project housing and wel-fare. assuming that the state doesn't eventually require you to be chipped in order to get those things. d

 

[trouble13]

hardly the same thing. microchips cost nothing to make and the only benefit of them is totally up to the user of the microchip. So getting a promotion for one will make the company lose money. Plus not many people will volunteer for the program. Companies value hard work over everything else. Not rewarding people for taking what they give out for free!

WADR I can see how that chip can be used to monitor lifestyles.

For example an employer can say he will offer you an extra $1 per hr if you agree to eat healthy to keep his health insurance costs down and employee productivity up. He can use that chip to monitor what groceries you purchase. If your buying unapproved foods he could penalize you for that.

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[jimbo]

Yes you do,It called food stamps,section-8 housing or project housing and wel-fare. assuming that the state doesn't eventually require you to be chipped in order to get those things. d

The chances my ever getting or wanting those things is zero.

Back to the OP. I don't see the need. Aside from the very young and animals nearly the rest carry around devices that can do that already or could be made to do so. Drivers licenses, credit cards, even such ID as passports and CC licenses could be made to track.

 

[trouble13]

Yes you do,It called food stamps,section-8 housing or project housing and wel-fare. assuming that the state doesn't eventually require you to be chipped in order to get those things. d

Thats an interesting thing i had not considered. I wonder the reaction people on foodstamps or receiving child support, or any kind of welfare would feel about having their finacial transactions tracked as a means to justify if they need benefits or not.

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[jamesrage]

The chances my ever getting or wanting those things is zero.

IF companies start mandating that employees be chipped and you don't want to be chipped.Then it won't matter what you want,You'll either be chipped because you like financial security or be on welfare,foodstamos and section-8 housing or project housing.Or be a bum on the street begging for change.

Back to the OP. I don't see the need.

The company in the OP story saw the "need" to implant chips in their employees and I am sure other companies will see the "need" too.

Aside from the very young and animals nearly the rest carry around devices that can do that already or could be made to do so. Drivers licenses, credit cards, even such ID as passports and CC licenses could be made to track.

Those things are not implanted in you. You can leave those things at home or easily store them up in something that blocks tracking.