William Barr says ‘communities’ that protest cops could lose ‘the police protection they need’

[Oborosen]

You didn't see videos of Tamir Rice or Philando Castile being murdered?

Tamir Rice, sad. But he should have put the toy down when told. Bad actions on both ends.

Philando, yes. You have one of a slim number that could've been immediately avoided with better training.

1 actual case, is that all you have?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Hindsight is 20/20, none of which helps Trayvon now. Then again, police usually don't have much of a luxury to choose, or decide action. When someone doesn't put down the gun and it has cost lives before.

Trayvon made his own mistakes in this instance and it's done.

His case is in no way indicative of how the police of the entire country would operate.

I do agree that most cops are good and there are bad actors here and there. Unfortunately though, this sort of "its not my fault, but that of the citizen's attitude" is killing community relations.

 

[Oborosen]

I do agree that most cops are good and there are bad actors here and there. Unfortunately though, this sort of "its not my fault, but that of the citizen's attitude" is killing community relations.

If the police are only doing their jobs and the person they are trying top speak to, or arrest is being confrontational, or outright violent. I'm not going to hold it against the officers if that person should end up hurt, or dead due to any altercation that might come from the event.

Many cases had this same formula, and even in cases with the police doing their best to be cooperative. It just doesn't work and someone gets hurt, be it one of them, or the suspect.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If the police are only doing their jobs and the person they are trying top speak to, or arrest is being confrontational, or outright violent. I'm not going to hold it against the officers if that person should end up hurt, or dead due to any altercation that might come from the event.

Many cases had this same formula, and even in cases with the police doing their best to be cooperative. It just doesn't work and someone gets hurt, be it one of them, or the suspect.

I do agree that policing can be dangerous and there are a lot of "off" people out there. For example, all of those florida man articles actually happen everywhere, but florida has different laws in terms of policing information disclosure so you hear about all the weird events. Incidents will happen.

The problem is though that the police have had a history of abuse (not all precincts mind you) since the civil war. The community needs to be given a reason to trust the cops and thats going to involve community relations investments.

 

[Oborosen]

I do agree that policing can be dangerous and there are a lot of "off" people out there. For example, all of those florida man articles actually happen everywhere, but florida has different laws in terms of policing information disclosure so you hear about all the weird events. Incidents will happen.

The problem is though that the police have had a history of abuse (not all precincts mind you) since the civil war. The community needs to be given a reason to trust the cops and thats going to involve community relations investments.

The only state I can even remember of having a police force known for some form of abuse, or the other. Is California.

But histories of abuse, are not current abuse, and we've had many cases over the last few years. Where people have claimed that the police just doing their jobs, was abuse.

This is nothing indicative of some form of systemic abuse that is present in our law enforcement. So this whole premise of Barr's statement, or actions recently taken by police agencies being racist. Is something that is lost on me.

 

[Oborosen]

It's just more proof the Trump administration is moving swiftly toward a more authoritarian police state. The LW anti-gunners will regret their desire to ban guns.

What proof?

 

[Slartibartfast]

The only state I can even remember of having a police force known for some form of abuse, or the other. Is California.

But histories of abuse, are not current abuse, and we've had many cases over the last few years. Where people have claimed that the police just doing their jobs, was abuse.

This is nothing indicative of some form of systemic abuse that is present in our law enforcement. So this whole premise of Barr's statement, or actions recently taken by police agencies being racist. Is something that is lost on me.

Trust needs to be earned when there is a history where the logical conclusion is that trusting will backfire and hurt you.

If abuse is happening less today, then great, but there is not going to be a blank slate because that blank slate was abused over and over again and at this point, the cops have broken the relationship. While not every black man has had a fire hose turned on them in recent history, that is one of many events that actually did happen and cultures have memory.

Again, that relationship, if there is less abuse (and statistics seem to prove your claim out), then great, that is a good START to any new conversation, but not the conclusion. Those improved statistics need to be followed up with a real and frank conversation so that past hurts can be brought to peace on both sides.

 

[Oborosen]

Trust needs to be earned when there is a history where the logical conclusion is that trusting will backfire and hurt you.

If abuse is happening less today, then great, but there is not going to be a blank slate because that blank slate was abused over and over again and at this point, the cops have broken the relationship. While not every black man has had a fire hose turned on them in recent history, that is one of many events that actually did happen and cultures have memory.

Again, that relationship, if there is less abuse (and statistics seem to prove your claim out), then great, that is a good START to any new conversation, but not the conclusion. Those improved statistics need to be followed up with a real and frank conversation so that past hurts can be brought to peace on both sides.

Then everyone is at fault in that case. The only reason I'm siding with Barr's conclusion in this one, is that we've seen a rise in anti-police protest over the last five years and the last administration did very little to help in that regard.

I'm just tired of people screaming racism, as a default response.

 

[ecofarm]

Fascism.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Then everyone is at fault in that case. The only reason I'm siding with Barr's conclusion in this one, is that we've seen a rise in anti-police protest over the last five years and the last administration did very little to help in that regard.

I'm just tired of people screaming racism, as a default response.

Yes. everyone is at fault. This is not on the cops 100% and this is not on any community 100% either. BOTH SIDES HAVE BAD ACTORS AND BAD HISTORY.

I have not seen studies, but I would not be surprised if a lot of cops for these communities have some level of PTSD that causes them to overreact at times as well and a lot of the "off" people I mentioned abuse cops. That, combined with the fact that people who are not fully fit tend to fall into the more poor areas, you have a continuing source of issues. Its just a giant mess of imperfect people doing the best they can.

While I have yet to see personal evidence of whether Barr is or is not racist, I ask you that if you stop policing this kind of situation where there are mentally unfit people (because again, the mentally unfit tend to end up in poor areas more often than not), people who have historically been abused (firehose comment), criminals, and a large but unempowered segment of the population who are good people, what do you think the result will be?

 

[marke]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/04/william-barr-police-protests-communities-race/



So does that mean that people in communities that, using the most American right of protesting what they don't think is fair, lose police protection or does that mean the entire community, including single moms who are sitting at home minding their own business, lose police protection too.

Remember, Barr is our country's top cop. I'm curious how the top cop in each community now handles his comments.

Leftists are wrong about a lot of things and are not helping solve real problems because of their bias and ignorance. Trump committed no impeachable offence and yet democrat efforts to take Trump down have effectively shut down any meaningful work Congress could be doing for America. Political partisans are stealing from the American people. They are being well paid and yet refuse to go to work for America. That is shameful.

Endorsing, promoting and encouraging open disrespect for cops is very bad for America. Of course as leftist liberal slanders of cops increase so do the crime rates.

The Ferguson Effect: Why the Criminals Feel Empowered

The Ferguson Effect: Why the Criminals Feel Empowered

 

[marke]

What proof?

The Bill Ayers/Saul Alinsky radical democrat vision of united Americans celebrating their national peace and prosperity:

 

[Oborosen]

Yes. everyone is at fault. This is not on the cops 100% and this is not on any community 100% either. BOTH SIDES HAVE BAD ACTORS AND BAD HISTORY.

I have not seen studies, but I would not be surprised if a lot of cops for these communities have some level of PTSD that causes them to overreact at times as well and a lot of the "off" people I mentioned abuse cops. That, combined with the fact that people who are not fully fit tend to fall into the more poor areas, you have a continuing source of issues. Its just a giant mess of imperfect people doing the best they can.

While I have yet to see personal evidence of whether Barr is or is not racist, I ask you that if you stop policing this kind of situation where there are mentally unfit people (because again, the mentally unfit tend to end up in poor areas more often than not), people who have historically been abused (firehose comment), criminals, and a large but unempowered segment of the population who are good people, what do you think the result will be?

I honestly don't know. But I'm not going to hold the police accountable, if the communities they're supposed to patrol and protect, keep kicking them out and attacking them.

 

[Oborosen]

The Bill Ayers/Saul Alinsky radical democrat vision of united Americans celebrating their national peace and prosperity:

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Yeah, after being assaulted by an Antifa protestor. I could really care less what they think, or do when they keep to themselves now. So long as they stay far away from me and my family this time around.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I honestly don't know. But I'm not going to hold the police accountable, if the communities they're supposed to patrol and protect, keep kicking them out and attacking them.

There are ample examples of what happens in this situation if you look at England during the industrial revolution, except you need to add in drugs and high powered weapons. The results are not pretty and we don't have the luxury of sending the undesirables to Australia.

However, as a practical matter, the police are going to have an even worse time if the violence spills over and many more police officers will get killed in the process. Barr should look at the big picture and its obvious he is not.

 

[Oborosen]

There are ample examples of what happens in this situation if you look at England during the industrial revolution, except you need to add in drugs and high powered weapons. The results are not pretty and we don't have the luxury of sending the undesirables to Australia.

However, as a practical matter, the police are going to have an even worse time if the violence spills over and many more police officers will get killed in the process. Barr should look at the big picture and its obvious he is not.

There is no indication that he isn't.

 

[Slartibartfast]

There is no indication that he isn't.

His comment is that indication.

 

[Oborosen]

His comment is that indication.

He's pointing out something that can happen. Nothing more.

If you want to assume what his stance is, then fine. Just don't try to pass it off as fact. Neither of us are mind readers.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Leftists are wrong about a lot of things and are not helping solve real problems because of their bias and ignorance. Trump committed no impeachable offence and yet democrat efforts to take Trump down have effectively shut down any meaningful work Congress could be doing for America. Political partisans are stealing from the American people. They are being well paid and yet refuse to go to work for America. That is shameful.

Endorsing, promoting and encouraging open disrespect for cops is very bad for America. Of course as leftist liberal slanders of cops increase so do the crime rates.

The Ferguson Effect: Why the Criminals Feel Empowered

The Ferguson Effect: Why the Criminals Feel Empowered

Or, Trump could have simply not extorted people or used his personal attorney to do his dirty work.

What does the bible say about that kind of human?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Then everyone is at fault in that case. The only reason I'm siding with Barr's conclusion in this one, is that we've seen a rise in anti-police protest over the last five years and the last administration did very little to help in that regard.

I'm just tired of people screaming racism, as a default response.

First, protesting is a First Amendment right.

Second, by withdrawing all police protection from a community Barr is A) imposing Federal authority on a State matter and B) punishing the 90%+ of the community who are completely innocent and were not protesting.

Again, this move by Barr is strictly authoritarian: "Do as we say or else!"

What's next? Trump considers the "lies" on social media to be a national threat and orders Barr to nationalize social media?

 

[marke]

Or, Trump could have simply not extorted people or used his personal attorney to do his dirty work.

What does the bible say about that kind of human?

Democrat Hair on Fire Alert! Trump's attorney went overseas in an effort to gather material exonerating his client! That should not just be an impeachable offense, but a dual hanging offence as well! Imagine the shame! Oh how horrible the crime and the perpetrator! How long before we can rid our nation of these vermin?:roll: :doh

 

[CaughtInThe]

Democrat Hair on Fire Alert! Trump's attorney went overseas in an effort to gather material exonerating his client! That should not just be an impeachable offense, but a dual hanging offence as well! Imagine the shame! Oh how horrible the crime and the perpetrator! How long before we can rid our nation of these vermin?:roll: :doh

The vermin are Trump and his boys.

I'm surprised that a religious person, like yourself, supports a guy who had multiple affairs/wives, pays off a porn worker, bribes people for personal reasons (using our money), doesn't pay his bills, was given millions in allowance, used federal bankruptcy protection and had to be bailed out by daddy due to his horrible business decisions (thus crushing small businesses who never got paid).

2019 Christianity?

 

[marke]

The vermin are Trump and his boys.

I'm surprised that a religious person, like yourself, supports a guy who had multiple affairs/wives, pays off a porn worker, bribes people for personal reasons (using our money), doesn't pay his bills, was given millions in allowance, used federal bankruptcy protection and had to be bailed out by daddy due to his horrible business decisions (thus crushing small businesses who never got paid).

2019 Christianity?

I had trouble paying my bills and did face bankruptcy a few time, but the Lord always delivered me in time. Trump committed several immoral sins, but not, apparently, in the Oval Office. Why do democrats make light of those democrat sins committed by presidents while in office, on government property and on the clock?

 

[CaughtInThe]

I had trouble paying my bills and did face bankruptcy a few time, but the Lord always delivered me in time. Trump committed several immoral sins, but not, apparently, in the Oval Office. Why do democrats make light of those democrat sins committed by presidents while in office, on government property and on the clock?

Sounds like you don't care if Trump is a sinner or not.

Are you really a Christian?

 

[marke]

Sounds like you don't care if Trump is a sinner or not.

Are you really a Christian?

I pray for sinners to repent of their sins and seek God's forgiveness, including Trump. You sound as though you think democrat politicians are not sinners.