'Willful Ignorance.' Inside President Trump's Troubled Intelligence Briefings

[sangha]

Regardless, ANY President, and that includes Democrats have a right to obtain counsel, and briefings from people within the government with the expectation that those having those conversations with him keep their opinions, insights, and content to themselves...Period.

Nonsense. The people who speak to Trump have the right to speak about non-classified info

 

[j-mac]

Oh no j, you were saying "I'm not sure its true" but you kept posting birther nonsense and (read this slowly) you said he wasn't a NBC. That's birtherism no matter how you try to spin it.

LOL....Still no quotes eh? That's just full of **** right there!

no no silly, I've said no such thing. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of conservatives. You were mad about that when you falsely accused President Obama of it but when trump actually does it, crickets. Oh and you guys also flipped flopped on deficits after falsely accusing President Obama of ballooning the deficit. Trump is actually ballooning it and again, crickets.

Funny, I thought that Congress controlled the purse strings....NOT the President....Now, if you want to say that Ryan was crap? I will agree.

go ahead and ask. Unlike you I remember what I post. Its easy when you only post what you believe.

Yeah sure....Again, if you remember better than I, it should be easy for you to come up with a post where I say that Obama wasn't a NBC as you put it....We are all waiting.

 

[j-mac]

Nonsense. The people who speak to Trump have the right to speak about non-classified info

A classified briefing, and the discussions held within that briefing are classified...Period.

 

[sangha]

A classified briefing, and the discussions held within that briefing are classified...Period.

The info described in the op are not classified...period

 

[j-mac]

The info described in the op are not classified...period

Prove it. I am pretty sure that should the President find out whom is talking to the press about these matters, that individual will be facing jail time.

 

[sangha]

Prove it. I am pretty sure that should the President find out whom is talking to the press about these matters, that individual will be facing jail time.

And I am pretty sure that you are pretty sure of many things that are not true

 

[MauiMan]

Pretty disappointing article by Attkinson. The allegation here is Trump is willfully ignorant, doesn't listen to the briefings, points have to be condensed to 2 or 3 sentences, he reacts angrily when the assessment differs from a public position he's taken and more.

Her defense of that is that the IC has been wrong many times in the past, and or that OBAMA!!! among others has either disregarded the IC's assessment, or that they agreed with assessments that turned out badly. Also, Clapper lied. Etc.

But that's nothing but moving the goal posts. Of course Presidents and the IC will sometimes make wrong decisions, and Presidents will act contrary to IC recommendations. But that assumes those decisions are made after listening to the IC's assessment, weighing it, and basing decisions based on other factors, also carefully considered. If the stories are true, Trump does none of that.

The article doesn't say that when POTUS decides to, say, meet with N. Korea that he's made a bad/wrong decision. What it alleges is that in general Trump barely even hears the IC's assessment of North Korea, much less considers it, because the briefings to keep his attention have to keep repeating his name and title, and points boiled down to 2 or 3 sentences, and when it contradicts what he's said publicly, he gets angry. That seems to me dangerous, especially getting angry at people offering what we have to assume is their best assessment. Worse is the allegation that some have been told not to even offer assessments that contradict Trump's public comments. Those are reckless ways to make decisions. Carefully considering and rejecting isn't necessarily even wrong, but ignoring, dismissing, not even wanting to HEAR contrary info is the worst possible way to run a country.

Well said. Trump is dangerous. He doesn’t listen to advisors and experts in their fields because he thinks he knows more. He doesn’t. He has a dysfunctional White House (documented many times). He is a narcissist who lacks any kind of empathy. The reason he got into the White House is because he has a big mouth (actually it’s little) and likes to talk and be adored—so he tells people what they want to hear. He doesn’t believe in anything he says—everything he does is for himself. He lies on a daily basis (see Washington Post fact checker on this). His followers practically worship him—and that is what he craves. He will say or do anything to keep the attention on himself. Please—all you Trump followers—re-examine your view of him. Look at all the people around him that are crooked, consider what motivates him, and the destroyed lives of people in his wake. He’s divisive and not good for this country. The president is normally the leader of the free world. Well, he’s divided the world. Dangerous man.

 

[MauiMan]

Look at the above. He's a moron with the attention span of a toddler. Maybe they should try using a highchair and a bib. Geezus.

I wouldn't let Trump run a hot dog stand on the Boardwalk.

It’s true—he has a very short attention span. Doesn’t listen. He was the center of attention as a child and inherited an unimaginable amount of money, and lead a hedonistic lifestyle. He is a pathological liar—and very good at it. He loves rallies because he craves adoration and attention.

 

[MauiMan]

careful J, you don't want to clutch your pearls too hard. It might break the necklace (or possibly string in your case). But if you can keep from fainting long enough, let me point out that my mistake was not posting "you and yours". I can post "you and yours" because those are official conservative narratives believed by a large percentage if not majority of conservatives. Look how you are no longer angry about deficits. You used to rant about them (and dishonestly at that) now you praise trump's deficit ballooning tax cuts. Why should I give you the benefit of the doubt on other official conservative narratives.

Yes, you are right. The tax cuts are ballooning the debt, yet we don’t hear about that. Where is the promised swamp draining?

 

[Saladin4]

It’s true—he has a very short attention span. Doesn’t listen. He was the center of attention as a child and inherited an unimaginable amount of money, and lead a hedonistic lifestyle. He is a pathological liar—and very good at it. He loves rallies because he craves adoration and attention.

trump is an incompetent fool counting on the anger of white men in rural America, they feel he "represents" them with their belief that their white privilege is slipping away

 

[Atomic Kid]

Oh Please....Just you wait til the next Democrat President...I am pretty sure that should the same tactics be used against him or her, your reply will take on a different tone....And I'll be there to remind you...

I’m not worried as I’m pretty certain that the next Democratic President, unlike our present President will at least be functionally literate and and not an agent of foreign nation.

 

[Vern]

LOL....Still no quotes eh? That's just full of **** right there!
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Yeah sure....Again, if you remember better than I, it should be easy for you to come up with a post where I say that Obama wasn't a NBC as you put it....We are all waiting.

Holy Geezus J!!!!!! I posted a quote of you saying exactly that. In post 154 of this thread I posted you posting birther nonsense and you literally said "The mother did not meet the required term of 5 years, in order to confer NBC on Barry." I even mocked you by saying you would need to prove someone forged your signature at the bottom. J, its just not possible for you to not see I posted that yet here we are with you arrogantly posting "nuh uh". Let me post it without the lying birther nonsense you posted to make it easier for you to see

i found this while surfing, and pondering your question:

Now couple that with the law as it existed at the time in Hawaii. The mother did not meet the required term of 5 years, in order to confer NBC on Barry.

I don't know, seems like alot to weed through legally in order to prove that he isn't an NBC, and before any of this gets settled considering the legal wrangling going on Barry may have finished his term.

j-mac

You know what, let me just post the relevant sentence.

The mother did not meet the required term of 5 years, in order to confer NBC on Barry

you know what, let me bold it and increase the font size just to make sure you can see it

The mother did not meet the required term of 5 years, in order to confer NBC on Barry

 

[Vern]

Yes, you are right. The tax cuts are ballooning the debt, yet we don’t hear about that. Where is the promised swamp draining?

Conservatives have literally flip flopped on every single issue, bailouts, golf, vacations, acting presidential, undermining our allies/embolden our enemies, stimulus and now even Obamacare. Yep, not a peep from conservatives who couldn't stop screaming when they falsely attacked President Obama for them.

Anyhoo, here's a great FDR quote. It really rang true after Bush destroyed the economy. "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"

 

[j-mac]

Holy Geezus J!!!!!! I posted a quote of you saying exactly that. In post 154 of this thread I posted you posting birther nonsense and you literally said "The mother did not meet the required term of 5 years, in order to confer NBC on Barry." I even mocked you by saying you would need to prove someone forged your signature at the bottom. J, its just not possible for you to not see I posted that yet here we are with you arrogantly posting "nuh uh". Let me post it without the lying birther nonsense you posted to make it easier for you to see



You know what, let me just post the relevant sentence.



you know what, let me bold it and increase the font size just to make sure you can see it

Ok, that looks pretty early on in the term, there....And it also looks like I was looking at it through the existing law of the time...Obviously since that time, and before Trump did his little publicity BS it was settled for me...I guess now you are going to say, oh well too bad, you questioned therefore you are forever branded...You know what? I don't give a ****...Because your opinion of things really doesn't matter to me....

 

[Vern]

Ok, that looks pretty early on in the term, there....And it also looks like I was looking at it through the existing law of the time...Obviously since that time, and before Trump did his little publicity BS it was settled for me...I guess now you are going to say, oh well too bad, you questioned therefore you are forever branded...You know what? I don't give a ****...Because your opinion of things really doesn't matter to me....

j, not only were you a birther and not only were you absolutely not looking at it through any "existing law of the time" but you denied you said it after I showed that you said it. that makes you either dishonest or delusional. Let me know which you prefer. But J, this is the best part, I was explaining your "deep state" narratives are from the same liars who told you President Obama was born in Kenya. Remember how mad you got when I accused you of being a birther? You were furious. But you continue to believe those same liars. That was my point.

and fyi, you praised Trump for his "little publicity BS".

 

[j-mac]

j, not only were you a birther and not only were you absolutely not looking at it through any "existing law of the time" but you denied you said it after I showed that you said it. that makes you either dishonest or delusional. Let me know which you prefer. But J, this is the best part, I was explaining your "deep state" narratives are from the same liars who told you President Obama was born in Kenya. Remember how mad you got when I accused you of being a birther? You were furious. But you continue to believe those same liars. That was my point.

and fyi, you praised Trump for his "little publicity BS".

Dear Lord, I honestly don't know why I bother with you....You are only going to make up what you want about me anyway....

 

[Vern]

Dear Lord, I honestly don't know why I bother with you....You are only going to make up what you want about me anyway....

what have I made up so far? I'm just trying to get you to see the same liars that made you a birther are the same liars who are making you a "deep stater". Wait, do you think I made up the part where you praised trump? oh J, your signature in the quote proves it.

I for one am glad that Obama released it, we have much more serious matters to attend to. But, as for Trump, I am glad that he forced Obama's hand in this. One less deflection, and distraction that Obama can use to mock and ridicule on a wholesale basis in true Allensky fashion.

j-mac

Oh and like a true birther you blamed President Obama. He posted his BC during the campaign. same liars j.

 

[DaveFagan]

Well, isn't this a bit of snotty reporting from Mr. Walcott from Time....It isn't that these things are out there by yet more anonymous sourcing within the Obama politicized Intel services, but that the fact that some within those ranks are more than willing to talk to MSM media sources whom they know viscerally hate this President....

Here's how Sharyl Attkinsson lays it out in the Hill....



Ms. Attkinsson doesn't use the term, but I will...What we have seen for the past two years, and continuing is America's first Coup d'etat...And if not actually full blown, and complete with Troops marching into the White House to arrest, and remove President Trump, that is the dream...The next type would be a political coup....And that is what we are seeing...This is Obama's true legacy.

Do the Intelligence briefings say that we are in Syria to overthrow Assad or do they say we are there fighting ISIS? How about the briefings on Syria? Are we stealing the OIL after having devasteted the most successful Nation in Africa? How about Saudi Arabia? Supports terrorists, invades neighbors, kills USA associated reporter, threatens Qatar and Lebanon. Venezuela, we are fomenting insurrection in an attempt to de-stabilize the legitimate government and steal the petrocarbon assets for USA Corporate. Honduras? We help install a military regime that terrorizes the populace generating refugee caravans thru Mexico to USA. Nicaragua, CIA and NED working hard and spending large dollars attempting to overthrow another legitimate gov't. We have created a new COLD WAR with Russia to support MIC policies. Screw the MIC. WE are spending a Trillion dollars to upgrade Nuclear Weapons or simple insanity. We have pulled out of treaties that took years to negotiate and are going to pull out of another one because it will benefit the MIC. Screw the MIC. I realize that the MIC is a much larger Industry than any other industry in the USA, but it projects insanity. Do you think this rant would be clearly associated with Intelligence Agency (MIC) briefings?
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[Fledermaus]

Do the Intelligence briefings say that we are in Syria to overthrow Assad or do they say we are there fighting ISIS? How about the briefings on Syria? Are we stealing the OIL after having devasteted the most successful Nation in Africa? How about Saudi Arabia? Supports terrorists, invades neighbors, kills USA associated reporter, threatens Qatar and Lebanon. Venezuela, we are fomenting insurrection in an attempt to de-stabilize the legitimate government and steal the petrocarbon assets for USA Corporate. Honduras? We help install a military regime that terrorizes the populace generating refugee caravans thru Mexico to USA. Nicaragua, CIA and NED working hard and spending large dollars attempting to overthrow another legitimate gov't. We have created a new COLD WAR with Russia to support MIC policies. Screw the MIC. WE are spending a Trillion dollars to upgrade Nuclear Weapons or simple insanity. We have pulled out of treaties that took years to negotiate and are going to pull out of another one because it will benefit the MIC. Screw the MIC. I realize that the MIC is a much larger Industry than any other industry in the USA, but it projects insanity. Do you think this rant would be clearly associated with Intelligence Agency (MIC) briefings?
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[DaveFagan]

Originally Posted by DaveFagan
Do the Intelligence briefings say that we are in Syria to overthrow Assad or do they say we are there fighting ISIS? How about the briefings on Syria? Are we stealing the OIL after having devasteted the most successful Nation in Africa? How about Saudi Arabia? Supports terrorists, invades neighbors, kills USA associated reporter, threatens Qatar and Lebanon. Venezuela, we are fomenting insurrection in an attempt to de-stabilize the legitimate government and steal the petrocarbon assets for USA Corporate. Honduras? We help install a military regime that terrorizes the populace generating refugee caravans thru Mexico to USA. Nicaragua, CIA and NED working hard and spending large dollars attempting to overthrow another legitimate gov't. We have created a new COLD WAR with Russia to support MIC policies. Screw the MIC. WE are spending a Trillion dollars to upgrade Nuclear Weapons or simple insanity. We have pulled out of treaties that took years to negotiate and are going to pull out of another one because it will benefit the MIC. Screw the MIC. I realize that the MIC is a much larger Industry than any other industry in the USA, but it projects insanity. Do you think this rant would be clearly associated with Intelligence Agency (MIC) briefings?

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Goebbels-accuse the dissenters of being unpatriotic. You are still getting your narrative from the Defense Dept. Goebbelian Narrative. You must be getting paid to flaunt such attitudes. The truth seems to be in diametric conflict with your programming.

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[Fledermaus]

Originally Posted by DaveFagan
Do the Intelligence briefings say that we are in Syria to overthrow Assad or do they say we are there fighting ISIS? How about the briefings on Syria? Are we stealing the OIL after having devasteted the most successful Nation in Africa? How about Saudi Arabia? Supports terrorists, invades neighbors, kills USA associated reporter, threatens Qatar and Lebanon. Venezuela, we are fomenting insurrection in an attempt to de-stabilize the legitimate government and steal the petrocarbon assets for USA Corporate. Honduras? We help install a military regime that terrorizes the populace generating refugee caravans thru Mexico to USA. Nicaragua, CIA and NED working hard and spending large dollars attempting to overthrow another legitimate gov't. We have created a new COLD WAR with Russia to support MIC policies. Screw the MIC. WE are spending a Trillion dollars to upgrade Nuclear Weapons or simple insanity. We have pulled out of treaties that took years to negotiate and are going to pull out of another one because it will benefit the MIC. Screw the MIC. I realize that the MIC is a much larger Industry than any other industry in the USA, but it projects insanity. Do you think this rant would be clearly associated with Intelligence Agency (MIC) briefings?



Goebbels-accuse the dissenters of being unpatriotic. You are still getting your narrative from the Defense Dept. Goebbelian Narrative. You must be getting paid to flaunt such attitudes. The truth seems to be in diametric conflict with your programming.

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Godwin called.

He said you are just another CTer.