Will you make a personal committment to stop the political hate?

[apdst]

Keep telling yourself that. How workable is it going to be when the "winner" begins his tenure with delusional posturing of his imaginary mandate to "govern,"
and immediately pivots in a direction opposite of even pretending he is going to put his heart, spirit, and abilities into being a POTUS of "all of the people?"
Take the log out of your eye! You own "American carnage," lined up in history, if it even endures, next to "Ask not..."

Most Americans don't even know the difference between Conservatives and Liberals. There's no way most Americans are Liberals.

 

[Bodi]

Will you make a promise to yourself to stop PERPETUATING the political hate, and instead work to TERMINATE it.
I see we are on a downward spiral with the partisanship and blame.
I see lots of venom being spit back and forth, and each side says the other needs to stop first.

Rather than wait for someone else to take action and be civil, will you make a commitment to stop your own actions in this arena?
If you wait for someone else to be civil, you may never see it and you have no control over them anyway.
You DO have control over yourself.
What say you?

Trump voters are not toothless Bubbas.
Democrats do not have pointy tails.

1. YES...I will do my personal best to curb and angry and hateful speech I may do, and try and stop it before it reaches my keyboard. When someone else uses it against me, I will disengage and walk away. This is the internet after all and some type things merely for a reaction. I will not react.

2. NO... the other side is a bunch of soulless demons and are not deserving of any respect, politeness, courtesy, or even human decency afforded a stranger. They started it, and it is all their fault. I will PERPETUATE it because my side is right and they are wrong.

3. I choose to hide behind the bar until the brawl is over.

What about:

4. I will continue to screw with any idiot that is a political and partisan hack so that I can roar with laughter.

?

 

[calamity]

What about:

4. I will continue to screw with any idiot that is a political and partisan hack so that I can roar with laughter.

?

As long as they aren't stupid about it, being partisan is not all bad. Everyone needs a favorite team. But, when you begin to think your Quarterback will play until 50 and your team never deserves to lose a single game....you just might be an idiot.

 

[Bodi]

As long as they aren't stupid about it, being partisan is not all bad. Everyone needs a favorite team. But, when you begin to think your Quarterback will play until 50 and your team never deserves to lose a single game....you just might be an idiot.

Well.... to be fair that is why I said hack.

But I gotta say I have never rooted against a team as much as I will be against that one... well, and against LeBron and Tiger and the NY Giants and Knicks...

 

[calamity]

Well.... to be fair that is why I said hack.

But I gotta say I have never rooted against a team as much as I will be against that one... well, and against LeBron and Tiger and the NY Giants and Knicks...

Meh, Tiger post-40, after a dozen surgeries, is worth rooting for, IMO. Tiger of Y2K not so much.

Bron in Cleveland, with a bunch of kids, trying to beat a superteam in GS, ditto. Bron on Superteam not so much.

Giants and Knicks? Yeah. What you said.

 

[DiAnna]

I make the attempt, every day. That's my purpose for being here.

Liberals have been acting like hateful little bastards for decades.

:lol:

Needless to say, I won't be voting in this poll. The options are clearly created in a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" manner, and the above quotes reveal the hopelessness of the situation, lol.

 

[apdst]

:lol:

Needless to say, I won't be voting in this poll. The options are clearly created in a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" manner, and the above quotes reveal the hopelessness of the situation, lol.

You just proved my point. Thank you.

 

[Nap]

Most Americans don't even know the difference between Conservatives and Liberals. There's no way most Americans are Liberals.

Technically the vast majority are Liberals. The ideology by much of the modern conservative movement is classical Liberalism. Free Market, Free Trade, Limited Government, Natural Rights,etc are the fundamental core of Liberalism from the Age of Enlignment. If anything most conservatives are more Liberal than those that call themselves Liberal as they are typically arguing for individual liberty rather than for the collective.

 

[PleasantValley]

Peace is not the goal. Justice is the goal. Fights need to happen sometimes. In fact, I think one of the single biggest problems we're having in this country is caused by the fact that among friends and family members we do not have enough political arguments. People don't want to reck a party or a family dinner with it. I get that, but what happens instead is we retreat into our respective bubbles were we have confidence everyone will agree with us.


Toothless? Maybe not, but yeah sorry it's mostly ignorant rednecks.



Sorry, but Donald Trump's entire campaign was based on personally attacking people, and spreading racism and hate towards marginalized groups. You don't get to nominate him one day, and then turn around the next and ask people to be nice to you. When Trump was nominated the gloves came off. There's not compromising anymore. These **** heads need to be crushed once and for all. There is no saving the Republican party anymore. It's a lost cause that needs to go the way of the dodo. The Democratic Party and the Libertarian Party are the only two viable political parties in the country at this point, and there will be no peace in this country so long as Republicans are in power.

so in summary "....but....Trump"
You don't see this behavior is exactly what i am addressing?

 

[PleasantValley]

Well, I am already committed to standing against rabid partisanship. On both sides.

and you practice what you preach. I have seen it.
I thank you and the country thanks you.

 

[PleasantValley]

Good luck with that. The left has been filled with hate since 2016. They know nothing else.

I am not addressing the behavior of others. Just our own personal behaviors.
We have no control over what other people do, but we have 100% control over what we do.

but....this is why i am taking a poll.
To see and or prove where the hate lies.
and also to see where the peace and sanity lies.

I can only hope for the best.
or at least help others do a little private and personal introspection.
They do not have to admit anything to me or any one else....but if they can see for themselves what they are doing, then it is a win of us all.

Of course, you will always have your "others" .

 

[Grand Mal]

You just proved my point. Thank you.

Your most reliable fallback position.
Reminds me of whatshisname in that show 'the Office', when he gets stuck for a witty reply in a social situation and blurts out, "That's what she said!"

 

[PleasantValley]

Likely an accurate statement whether you realize it or not.


Sounds like a straw man you're making up. You may not want to murder, but you are complicit in it.


Absolutely the truth.


Everyone is entitled to their own Opinion, but what people like you need to learn is that there is a difference between an opinion and a logical conclusion. An opinion is generally just a preference or judgment. It's something like "Red is my favorite color," "I like Pizza." We can agree to disagree on things like that.

But when you say something like... "Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires are an excellent way to create jobs" you're not expressing an opinion. That's a logical conclusion, and we can use facts, math, data, science, and logic to demonstrate why it's a ****ing stupid conclusion that cannot be supported by evidence. Logical conclusions can be judged as better or worse, valid or invalid, rational or irrational, and sometimes even right and wrong.

Let me try and put it in these terms for you. If you and I were having a discussion about who's the best quarterback in the NFL. I might say it's Aaron Rodgers, and you might say it's Tom Brady, and we could agree to disagree just fine. There are some people who would even try to argue that it's Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, or Russel Wilson and we might entertain that argument.

But if you were the head coach or GM of a football team, and you decided to sign Johnny Manziel to a four year $120 million guaranteed contracts over a perfectly healthy Russell Wilson that was asking the same price your ass would be fired on the spot, and you would never work another day in the NFL. Every fan, and pundent would say you're a ****ing moron, and they'd be perfectly justified in that belief. There is no way that a reasonable intelligent human being that knows anything about football could make that decision. That is an indefensible decision that should get you fired instantly. It's not simply a gentleman's disagreement. That is an egregiously bad move and any fan that would be pissed off at you for it is justified in their anger. I don't give a **** about the interception Wilson threw in the super bowl two years ago, that doesn't justify giving that contract to Manziel who couldn't even convince the Browns to keep him.

Voting for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton is an equally indefensible position. You gave a reckless lunatic advocating fascist ideas who was beloved by the KKK and Neo-Nazis around the country access to nuclear weapons. I don't give a flying **** about her emails, or what you think you know about the Clinton Foundation. Donald Trump's entire campaign strategy was to bully his opponents, and hope that enough people who didn't like those people would think it was funny and vote for him. You don't get to elect a bully one day, and then turn around the next and ask everyone to be nice to you. If you elect a bully, then you deserve to get bullied right back. There is no way you can support making Donald Trump the President of the United States and call yourself a reasonably intelligent human being with your countries best interests at heart. America is no longer the leader of the free world, and people like you are the reason why.

There are only two excuses for voting for Donald Trump. Ignorance and Evil. I'll let you decide which of those words best describes you, but I guarantee one of them does.

The above is a perfect example of the blatant hate on here I am trying to stop.
It is very personal, yet they do not know me.
They endow me with evil traits, yet they do not know me.
They are completely over-the-top in their portrait of me.
Yet what did I do to deserve all this?

...I flipped the voting lever one way instead of the other.

 

[PleasantValley]

I am curious why you would call for calmness, civility, respect, politeness, and courtesy while publicly supporting people who teach and spread hate. Not that I disagree with your idea, but it seems like you are ok with hate filled people but only if they agree with your politics. It would seem that you only want opponents to practice restraint while enabling others to utilize it.

If you changed your political lens to a crystal clear one, you would see this is not so.
A CENTRIST means I will probably not agree with 50% of your ideas.
It does not mean I support those that "teach and spread hate".

If you re read your post i quoted, you will see where the hatred is based.
...and it is not with me.

 

[PleasantValley]

I voted NO; why? I will tell you why.
The American people spoke in November, 2016, and below is what they told me & the rest of America when they voted for Trump.

I am a white American and me & my family used to be secure here in America.
I am tired of other people that don't look like me & people that don't talk like me, coming to America taking our jobs, working for le$$.
I am tired of other nations that Trump tells us are taking advantage of trade agreements, flooding our nation with cheaper products, even though we want cheaper goods.
I am tired of the immigrants, the blacks, the homosexuals, the Muslims, the brown people, I'm tired of everyone that aint white.
I am tired of the liberals that have ****ed up America because they are more educated; we need a leader with common sense, not a leader that is smart.
I am white, and I am pissed off and angry, and Trump is the only candidate that is looking out for white Americans; we are mad, pissed, and angry.
We need Trump because he is just as mad, pissed, and angry as we are.

Well, there you are; that is what got Trump into office & I for one will tell everyone of those white, pissed off, bigoted, afraid, homophobic, insecure, xenophobic, entitled assholes to go **** off.

Yep; I voted NO .................

A classic example of PERPETUATION from the right.
All justified, of course.
I expect a certain % to say NO.

but, it is my hope the majority will see these behaviors in themselves as see they are not productive to a peaceful and phosphorous America.
whether they vote in the pole or not.
What you tell the rest of us is not as important as what you tell yourself.

I hope most will join me on the river bank to go fishing, as Samuel Clemons said.
There is a certain calm in metaphorically fishing by the bank of a slow moving river.
he knew it, as do I.

I hope others will discover it too. That is all i am trying to do.

 

[PleasantValley]

Well, you tried.

...and with this post, I give you a soft kiss of the hand,
as i walk away a feeling better.
Pole and bait bucket in-hand.

Glad 2/3 of those voting chose the path of disengagement and communication over feces slinging partisanship, so far.

 

[PleasantValley]

What about:

4. I will continue to screw with any idiot that is a political and partisan hack so that I can roar with laughter.

?

not productive.

 

[PleasantValley]

By actively and vocally opposing Trump and his supporters I AM taking a stand against hate. Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry.

You are NOT being bigoted, a hater, and intolerant,...by calling the other side bigots, haters, and intolerant?
Somewhere this makes sense, but not in the world we all live in.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

You are NOT being bigoted, a hater, and intolerant,...by calling the other side bigots, haters, and intolerant?
Somewhere this makes sense, but not in the world we all live in.

Don't try to make sense of it, you will only get pretzel logic.

 

[PleasantValley]

I'm always fairly civil in my discourse here.

That said, I'm not going to be attenuating my dislike for The Donald and his crony's anytime soon.

You were never asked to alter your political views.
I am merely asking us to be more civil, as you always have been.
...and thank you, BTW.
Your stated behavior makes this a very nice place for passionate debate for your views and your side.
As it should be.

 

[PleasantValley]

Okay, maybe I can post this before I get kicked out. Is anybody else having trouble today? I didn't vote, because there are only two choices and no in between. I generally don't post insults at other posters. However, I do post disgust at what is currently happening in our White House right now.

Rosie1, if it will halp, the poll is not about...."well what about those other guys".
It was asking YOU for a personal commitment to try and stop the hate beginning in your own backyard.
If you do not generate any hate, then you have already voted YES.

If you keep pointing to "those other guys" and their behavior, then you have already voted NO, and you are letting their bad behavior control & stop your good behavior.

There is only one person's behavior you have control of.
I am asking you to make the choice of saying YES, to control that one person's behavior....YOURS.

 

[Bodi]

not productive.

Incorrect.

Wanna think about it or do you give up?

 

[tecoyah]

I do not believe I have EVER expressed or felt "Hatred' of any online personality here (or elsewhere), that said I have been guilty of calling or pointing out errors and falsehood. Much of what is considered hatred or A$$holisticism by overly sensitive individuals can be attributed to the bruised feewings of members when confronted with these realities. I AM very much opposed to the degradation and humiliation represented by Donald Trump when it comes to my nation, morality, our constitution and the Truth so I cannot commit to playing along with what he does literally daily and this too can be seen by his followers as hateful.

 

[PleasantValley]

Liberals have been acting like hateful little bastards for decades.

Not productive.
What I am trying to do is to get one side or the other to realize this is not productive and to disengage.
That is what i meant by PERPETUATE or TERMINATE.

 

[PleasantValley]

Oh and like conservatives haven't? I've been called some pretty vile names from conservatives too.

It's all around hateful.

So then, what actions are you going to personally take to stop this hate.
That is, IF...IF...you want it stopped.
Do you want the hate to stop?
if yes, what are you doing as a valued member here to stop it.

Remember, you can only control your own behavior.
I like you, and your avatar is sexy as heck.
We have disagreed before, but not once have I made it personal or insulted you because we disagreed.
That is why I called disagreement an art.