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Will Vindman face courts martial?

hahahah Jesus......now the lefties are claiming he is theee mafia boss. Is anyone else reading this? This is so damn entertaining. The Night Chicago died.....LMFAO

Would you trust Trump enough to invest tens of thousands of dollars into Trump University?

Would you trust Trump enough to donate your hard-earned money to his charity, the Trump Foundation?

The victims of Trump's cons are many.
 
Saddam Hussein would have shot Vindman to death on the spot. He gunned down his share of Army officers.

So my question is will Vindman face Courts Martial?

I prefer that only actual military types, who know the UCMJ Code of Justice reply. Still if you promise that you did try hard to get educated, please also join this group discussion

So to help the topic out, Officers take an oath or office to be loyal to the commanders above them. It also includes the president. The only escape hatche is following lawful orders.

Vindman had no orders to defy Trump. Vindman admitted he know of no law that Trump broke.

So he attempted to create a space for him to insult Trump plus not follow orders.


But your case is? Study the current Uniform Code of Military Justice where you will find the laws Vindman must obey by current written laws.

I guess you weren't an officer in the military, at least not in the U.S. military. There is no such American oath of "loyalty". Try North Korea.
 
hahahah Jesus......now the lefties are claiming he is theee mafia boss. Is anyone else reading this? This is so damn entertaining. The Night Chicago died.....LMFAO

It's more that he likes to mimic what he thinks a mafia don is like. It's just another part of the fantasy world going on inside that worm-eaten brain of his. He's a complete coward so this probably makes him seem tough. It really just reinforces what a clown he is.
 
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Officers take an oath or office to be loyal to the commanders above them. It also includes the president. The only escape hatche is following lawful orders.

Vindman had no orders to defy Trump. Vindman admitted he know of no law that Trump broke.

So he attempted to create a space for him to insult Trump plus not follow orders.


Study the current Uniform Code of Military Justice where you will find the laws Vindman must obey by current written laws.

First and foremost the military oath is to the Constitution, ie, "We the People." The oath is not to any single individual because no one is above the law. Putin-Trump Rowers don't get this because they love the strongman leader and reject the rule of law.

UCMJ is a criminal code of laws that apply to the armed forces. LTC Vindman violated no laws whether civil or criminal. As a commissioned officer sworn to the Constitution LTC Vindman illustrates how being a commissioned officer of the military can enable the person to continue to serve despite the displeasure of the president. It's the Constitution that matters not the president. Vindman is not sworn to the president absolutely or no matter what. I know that's thick for the authoritarian Rowers to accept yet this is the way it is in USA.
 
LTC Vindman was not "fired." Vindman has been assigned by Army to the Office of the JCS since 2015. In mid 2018 Army detailed Vindman to the White House NSC, for two years. Vindman was on track for the Army War College when he went to the WH and that has not changed, so the LTC will enter the War College later this year. Vindman presently is physically back in the Office of the JCS which is his assignment since 2015 and where he continues to advise the chairman on Russia.

Pentagon fully supports LTC Vindman. It is highly likely the LTC will advance to colonel after the War College and then further after that. Indeed an officer such as Alexander Vindman typically retires as a 2-star at the least. As a commissioned officer sworn to the Constitution LTC Vindman illustrates how being a commissioned officer of the military can enable the person to continue to serve despite the displeasure of the president. A major factor is that Trump took his oath to the Constitution then he wiped his ass with it in a same day turnaround.
Factually, Vindman’s temporary assignment to the NSC was cut short by several months because Trump directed that he be removed. Vindman was fired. That he was TAD from the Pentagon isn’t relevant.

Regarding the likelihood of Vindman attaining flag officer rank in the future, I’m curious as to what informs your opinion. You seem to have a fair amount of knowledge of how officers promote through the ranks, but make the assertion that Vindman will wear stars as if it is a certainty, which it is not.

You are aware of the fierce competition for the very few (comparatively) flag officer billets throughout the services and how easy it is to derail any officer’s career, right?
 
Factually, Vindman’s temporary assignment to the NSC was cut short by several months because Trump directed that he be removed. Vindman was fired. That he was TAD from the Pentagon isn’t relevant.

Regarding the likelihood of Vindman attaining flag officer rank in the future, I’m curious as to what informs your opinion. You seem to have a fair amount of knowledge of how officers promote through the ranks, but make the assertion that Vindman will wear stars as if it is a certainty, which it is not.

You are aware of the fierce competition for the very few (comparatively) flag officer billets throughout the services and how easy it is to derail any officer’s career, right?

I've stated only my belief while never stating it as a certainty. While there's a bit of intuition in my belief that LTC Vindman will advance to a star or, if one star then likely to two stars, I know from instruction in uni Rotc that a LTC with Vindman's record in combat and in high executive positions post combat wounds and who is also scheduled to enter the Army War College is himself star quality.

While my active duty service was many moons ago -- 1966-70 -- I was exposed to the history of many officers I served under up to my rank as captain company commander then BN assistant S-1 adjutant which as you'd know had personnel records so I saw a lot. Our Rgt colonel from WP and his first assignment in WW II retired a colonel yet only after LBJ pulled him out of the Rgt and into the WH to advise on Vietnam with Johnson finally acceding to the colonel's daily request for a command in the Nam -- a 101st airborne brigade and the historic battle of Hamburger Hill. Everybody knew our guy had it in him because he had done it before, more than once in fact so the Nam was in a sense an easy one to call.

In high school Rotc before I went to uni Rotc we had regular Army career officers and NCO (whereas post VN Jr. Rotc cadre are retired officers to include nco). We knew the WP captain in charge of our high school unit would make colonel and he did, then retired, as some of us know because we kept in contact with him over the next couple of decades to include some teachers at the school who became executives and administrators. Our capt took us on annual trips to his alma mater WP which was "hallowed ground" as we were somberly informed while we stood on it. Capt told me I could be a colonel if my lights ever went on which of course they never did luv him all the same ha. My bud from our neighborhood as kids and who in hs was a year behind me and succeeded me as cadet LTC in the hs rotc went Marines EP for a tour in the Nam where he got blown up some, then Army NG -- retired as "only" LTC so I rib him about it ha even though he never throws his doctorate at me (Eng Lit).

The armed forces have presently one of their historic high ratios of flag officers to EP and captains, captain being the modal officer rank across the services (O-3) as a lot of flag officers were created during the Obama years. So the proportion of flag officers is being reduced yet it's more than obvious the military will continue to need new flag officers who are exceptionally bright and highly accomplished which is what the LTC Vindman is. Not to mention courageous personally and professionally. Vindman is SUNY Bingham Rotc, masters from Harvard in Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia Studies, now the War College coming up in addition to other Army schools. Indeed if you don't know it already than let me say, Joint Chiefs to include the chairman recently retired just might believe that not only is Vindman qualified to advance higher on up, he's earned it in an exemplary manner. Vindman is a significant and historical reference point to the officer corps across the armed forces all of whom know well about this and to the armed services per se, presently and going forward indefinitely.
 
I've stated only my belief while never stating it as a certainty. While there's a bit of intuition in my belief that LTC Vindman will advance to a star or, if one star then likely to two stars, I know from instruction in uni Rotc that a LTC with Vindman's record in combat and in high executive positions post combat wounds and who is also scheduled to enter the Army War College is himself star quality.

While my active duty service was many moons ago -- 1966-70 -- I was exposed to the history of many officers I served under up to my rank as captain company commander then BN assistant S-1 adjutant which as you'd know had personnel records so I saw a lot. Our Rgt colonel from WP and his first assignment in WW II retired a colonel yet only after LBJ pulled him out of the Rgt and into the WH to advise on Vietnam with Johnson finally acceding to the colonel's daily request for a command in the Nam -- a 101st airborne brigade and the historic battle of Hamburger Hill. Everybody knew our guy had it in him because he had done it before, more than once in fact so the Nam was in a sense an easy one to call.

In high school Rotc before I went to uni Rotc we had regular Army career officers and NCO (whereas post VN Jr. Rotc cadre are retired officers to include nco). We knew the WP captain in charge of our high school unit would make colonel and he did, then retired, as some of us know because we kept in contact with him over the next couple of decades to include some teachers at the school who became executives and administrators. Our capt took us on annual trips to his alma mater WP which was "hallowed ground" as we were somberly informed while we stood on it. Capt told me I could be a colonel if my lights ever went on which of course they never did luv him all the same ha. My bud from our neighborhood as kids and who in hs was a year behind me and succeeded me as cadet LTC in the hs rotc went Marines EP for a tour in the Nam where he got blown up some, then Army NG -- retired as "only" LTC so I rib him about it ha even though he never throws his doctorate at me (Eng Lit).

The armed forces have presently one of their historic high ratios of flag officers to EP and captains, captain being the modal officer rank across the services (O-3) as a lot of flag officers were created during the Obama years. So the proportion of flag officers is being reduced yet it's more than obvious the military will continue to need new flag officers who are exceptionally bright and highly accomplished which is what the LTC Vindman is. Not to mention courageous personally and professionally. Vindman is SUNY Bingham Rotc, masters from Harvard in Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia Studies, now the War College coming up in addition to other Army schools. Indeed if you don't know it already than let me say, Joint Chiefs to include the chairman recently retired just might believe that not only is Vindman qualified to advance higher on up, he's earned it in an exemplary manner. Vindman is a significant and historical reference point to the officer corps across the armed forces all of whom know well about this and to the armed services per se, presently and going forward indefinitely.
Respectfully, I disagree that your assertions were stated as opinions/personal beliefs rather than matters of fact. If you reread your posts, I believe you may see it. To be completely clear, I hope that you are correct and that LTC Vindman one day wears stars.

And thanks for sharing your personal history. It was obvious that you were speaking as a knowledgeable voice of experience. I served after you (1981-2004) and have a few shipmates who are still serving.

It’s very heartening for me to know that however much the military changes from one generation to the next, men and women of integrity and courage like LTC Vindman will continue to occupy the ranks and lead the way.
 
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