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Will USS Liberty Survivors Get a Call for New Investigation by Rep. Omar, of Israeli Attack?

Hicup said:
Correction noted, it's been a while since I had to relay facts to an Israel hater.. I don't google for my talking points, I use my head, and memory, mostly.

Regardless, the King David bombing is well documented, and if you look long enough you'll always comes across anti-Semitic hate sites that find an alternative reality to hang their pointy hats on. ;)



Tim-
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Is reference to the Sergeant's Affair also an anti-Semitic Israeli-hating attack? Kidnapping, murder, booby-trapped corpses?

The Sergeants affair | Military Wiki | Fandom
 
munkle said:
What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere?
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No chance whatsoever!

The Dems are not stupid enough to antagonize a very important constituency, which supports the Dems with votes & money.
 
...were the lifeboats machine-gunned? ... did they shoot the radio towers out first? ...did they rush and hush the ship to malta for a super quick super-secret fix?

...i'd like to hear the survivors...not the gd fool warmongering republicrat apologists... ugh...

USS Liberty Veterans Association

"...On June 8, 2005 the USS Liberty Veterans Association submitted A Report of War Crimes Committed Against the USS Liberty, June 8, 1967 to the Department of Defense in accordance with the DoD Law of War Program.

The War Crimes Report we filed lists allegations of acts committed during the attack on our ship, including:

The jamming of our radios on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies;
The use of unmarked aircraft by the forces attacking the USS Liberty;
The deliberate machine gunning of life rafts we had dropped over the side in anticipation of abandoning ship; and
The recall of two flights of rescue aircraft that had een launched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers. After those flights were recalled, Sixth Fleet personnel listened to our calls for help as the attack continued knowing they were forbidden to come to our assistance.
The Department of Defense has unilaterally waived its obligation under the Department of Defense Law of War Program by refusing to investigate the allegations contained in the War Crimes Report. The Department of Defense has also refused to provide a speaker to address the crew of the USS Liberty and explain their actions with regard to the War Crimes Report.
 
...who you gonna believe?.... the survivors or lying, warmongering politicians and apparatchiks?.....

New revelations in attack on American spy ship - Chicago Tribune

"...The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats who picked up where the air force left off, strafing the Liberty's decks with their machine guns and launching a torpedo that blew a 39-foot hole in its starboard side.

To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the American 6th Fleet, which included the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, patrolling 400 miles west of the Liberty, launched and then recalled at least two squadrons of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to prevent the torpedo attack -- and save 26 American lives.

J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communications between Washington and the 6th Fleet, remembered listening as Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, in Washington, ordered Rear Adm. Lawrence Geis, commander of the America's carrier battle group, to bring the jets home.

When Geis protested that the Liberty was under attack and needed help, Hart said, McNamara retorted that "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."
 
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H. E. Panqui said:
...who you gonna believe?.... the survivors or lying, warmongering politicians and apparatchiks?.....

New revelations in attack on American spy ship - Chicago Tribune

"...The Israeli inquiry later concluded that that information had simply gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats who picked up where the air force left off, strafing the Liberty's decks with their machine guns and launching a torpedo that blew a 39-foot hole in its starboard side.

To a man, the survivors interviewed by the Tribune rejected Israel's explanation.

Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the American 6th Fleet, which included the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, patrolling 400 miles west of the Liberty, launched and then recalled at least two squadrons of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to prevent the torpedo attack -- and save 26 American lives.

J.Q. "Tony" Hart, then a chief petty officer assigned to a U.S. Navy relay station in Morocco that handled communications between Washington and the 6th Fleet, remembered listening as Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, in Washington, ordered Rear Adm. Lawrence Geis, commander of the America's carrier battle group, to bring the jets home.

When Geis protested that the Liberty was under attack and needed help, Hart said, McNamara retorted that "President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors."
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Investigations and reports Trump personal opinion.
 
M
Fledermaus said:
Hey, look.

Another Highlanders bit of nonsense.

Find "Israel eye" yet?

Have you defined your version of "Zionist"?

Have you read any of the reports on 9/11?
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We're not allowed to openly discuss this closed subject.

American democracy, my silly mistake.
 
Fledermaus said:
:lamo

Start WW3 by attacking an ally and openly admitting to doing so.

:lamo
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No, about starting a war, yes, but your Zionist friends will not invite themselves, it's America's sons that's to do the fighting, the IDF only fight when the opposition is women and children, but more importantly, defenceless.
One only needs to look at the Gaza Nazi concentration camp. But I'm not allowed to point out the historical fact, who taught who?.......
 
Fledermaus said:
Investigations and reports Trump personal opinion.
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...ugh...another apologist for the republicrat bank$ter puppet$, apparatchiks, etc..

...one way to tell which 'side' is the scumbag side on ANY political issue is that the scumbag side is always trying to silence people, suppress information, etc..

...republicrats... ugh....
 
H. E. Panqui said:
...ugh...another apologist for the republicrat bank$ter puppet$, apparatchiks, etc..

...one way to tell which 'side' is the scumbag side on ANY political issue is that the scumbag side is always trying to silence people, suppress information, etc..

...republicrats... ugh....
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You have your finger on the pulse.....
 
Fledermaus said:
Have you defined your version of "Zionist"?
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...can/will YOU define it?...

...seems to me 'zionism' is a racist nationalist movement STRONGLY aided and abetted by your stinking republicrat bankster puppet$... the founding fathers and simple common sense warn republicrat dummies about 'entangling alliances' but the republicrat mullets have always swallowed it hook, line and sinker... ugh...

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Front page of The Jewish Chronicle, 17 January 1896, showing an article by Theodor Herzl (the father of political Zionism) a month prior to the publication of his pamphlet Der Judenstaat

Theodor Herzl was the founder of the Modern Zionist movement. In his 1896 pamphlet Der Judenstaat, he envisioned the founding of a future independent Jewish state during the 20th century.

Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת‎ Tsiyyonut [tsijoˈnut] after Zion) is both an ideology[1][2][3] and nationalist[fn 1] movement among the Jewish people that espouses the re-establishment of and support for[6] a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine).
 
H. E. Panqui said:
...can/will YOU define it?...

...seems to me 'zionism' is a racist nationalist movement STRONGLY aided and abetted by your stinking republicrat bankster puppet$... the founding fathers and simple common sense warn republicrat dummies about 'entangling alliances' but the republicrat mullets have always swallowed it hook, line and sinker... ugh...

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Front page of The Jewish Chronicle, 17 January 1896, showing an article by Theodor Herzl (the father of political Zionism) a month prior to the publication of his pamphlet Der Judenstaat

Theodor Herzl was the founder of the Modern Zionist movement. In his 1896 pamphlet Der Judenstaat, he envisioned the founding of a future independent Jewish state during the 20th century.

Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת‎ Tsiyyonut [tsijoˈnut] after Zion) is both an ideology[1][2][3] and nationalist[fn 1] movement among the Jewish people that espouses the re-establishment of and support for[6] a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine).
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A nationalist movement I can agree with.

Racist not so much.

What race is Jew?
 
H. E. Panqui said:
...ugh...another apologist for the republicrat bank$ter puppet$, apparatchiks, etc..

...one way to tell which 'side' is the scumbag side on ANY political issue is that the scumbag side is always trying to silence people, suppress information, etc..

...republicrats... ugh....
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Buzz words and balderdash.

What was the motive?

Why attack your only ally?
 
Highlanders said:
No, about starting a war, yes, but your Zionist friends will not invite themselves, it's America's sons that's to do the fighting, the IDF only fight when the opposition is women and children, but more importantly, defenceless.
One only needs to look at the Gaza Nazi concentration camp. But I'm not allowed to point out the historical fact, who taught who?.......
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You make no sense.
 
Fledermaus said:
A nationalist movement I can agree with.

Racist not so much.

What race is Jew?
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:roll:

..it seems to me this is the dominant tribe...but i'm just dying to hear what glenn be...er..you think: Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia

"...an Ashkenazi Jew is one whose ancestry can be traced to the Jews who settled in Central Europe. For roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews. Human geneticists have argued that genetic variations have been identified that show high frequencies among Ashkenazi Jews, but not in the general European population, be they for patrilineal markers (Y-chromosome haplotypes) and for matrilineal markers (mitotypes).[128] Since the middle of the 20th century, many Ashkenazi Jews have intermarried, both with members of other Jewish communities and with people of other nations and faiths.[129]

A 2006 study found Ashkenazi Jews to be a clear, homogeneous genetic subgroup. Strikingly, regardless of the place of origin, Ashkenazi Jews can be grouped in the same genetic cohort – that is, regardless of whether an Ashkenazi Jew's ancestors came from Poland, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania, or any other place with a historical Jewish population, they belong to the same ethnic group. The research demonstrates the endogamy of the Jewish population in Europe and lends further credence to the idea of Ashkenazi Jews as an ethnic group. Moreover, though intermarriage among Jews of Ashkenazi descent has become increasingly common, many Haredi Jews, particularly members of Hasidic or Hareidi sects, continue to marry exclusively fellow Ashkenazi Jews. This trend keeps Ashkenazi genes prevalent and also helps researchers further study the genes of Ashkenazi Jews with relative ease. These Haredi Jews often have extremely large families.[14]
 
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Highlanders said:
Simple solution, did Hitler work hand in glove with the zionists and the Zionist cause, Ben Gurion for example, from 1929, through to 1940.
A simple yes or no reply, any more and I'm unable to reply.
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Everyone thought Hitler was a pretty keen guy in the early 1930s. A Time man of the year. Your point? When things got progressively worse for the Jews (all the antisemitic laws, Kristalnacht, etc.) the Zionists help relocate Jews to Palestine.

Your point?

As I have stated before the Nazis wanted the Jews out. The Zionists helped John ws get to Palestine. Have I ever denied that?

Now, Israel eye, your definition of ZIONIST, etc.?
 
H. E. Panqui said:
:roll:

..it seems to me this is the dominant tribe...but i'm just dying to hear what glenn be...er..you think: Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia

"...an Ashkenazi Jew is one whose ancestry can be traced to the Jews who settled in Central Europe. For roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews. Human geneticists have argued that genetic variations have been identified that show high frequencies among Ashkenazi Jews, but not in the general European population, be they for patrilineal markers (Y-chromosome haplotypes) and for matrilineal markers (mitotypes).[128] Since the middle of the 20th century, many Ashkenazi Jews have intermarried, both with members of other Jewish communities and with people of other nations and faiths.[129]

A 2006 study found Ashkenazi Jews to be a clear, homogeneous genetic subgroup. Strikingly, regardless of the place of origin, Ashkenazi Jews can be grouped in the same genetic cohort – that is, regardless of whether an Ashkenazi Jew's ancestors came from Poland, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania, or any other place with a historical Jewish population, they belong to the same ethnic group. The research demonstrates the endogamy of the Jewish population in Europe and lends further credence to the idea of Ashkenazi Jews as an ethnic group. Moreover, though intermarriage among Jews of Ashkenazi descent has become increasingly common, many Haredi Jews, particularly members of Hasidic or Hareidi sects, continue to marry exclusively fellow Ashkenazi Jews. This trend keeps Ashkenazi genes prevalent and also helps researchers further study the genes of Ashkenazi Jews with relative ease. These Haredi Jews often have extremely large families.[14]
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What "race" is Jew?

It's a simple question.
 
Rexedgar said:
More questions than answers; suffice it to say that I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident than we have been told. If you are interested there are more than enough pages of questions regarding this “accident.”
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Till you provide a narrative and links it is no more than your opinion that "I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident.."

Pick one of the main "questions" and show us why it is an issue and why the official investigation(s) are wrong.
 
Fledermaus said:
Buzz words and balderdash.

What was the motive?

Why attack your only ally?
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Probably the same thing that motivated Operation Susannah. Israel wanted Britain and the US to occupy or go to war with Egypt for them.
 
mike2810 said:
Till you provide a narrative and links it is no more than your opinion that "I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident.."

Pick one of the main "questions" and show us why it is an issue and why the official investigation(s) are wrong.
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When a sentence begins with “I believe.....,” it tells the reader that an opinion is being expressed. Why did you clip the second sentence? There are many pages of information on this incident.
You just have to want to look.
 
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