Will USS Liberty Survivors Get a Call for New Investigation by Rep. Omar, of Israeli Attack?

[munkle]

She's proven pretty fearless so far, despite apologizing when she really had nothing to apologize for in saying AIPAC influences American politics. What's the controversy there when even Netanyahu bragged in 2001:

"I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

The USS Liberty survivors of the 1967 Israeli attack on the American ship are calling, to this very day, for a new investigation which would rectify the original cover-up, which was ordered to conclude that the deaths of 34 American sailors was an accident. It was not an accident, they say, but a false flag attack to sink the ship in order to blame it on Egypt so that the US would attack that country, which was Israel's arch-enemy. This was what Admiral Thomas Moorer thought, also chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is no shortage of heavy hitters who have said they don't buy the "accident explanation one bit, including US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, CIA Director Richard Helms, CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor, former NSA Director Army Lieutenant General William Odom, on and on. Further more now both major veterans groups American Legion and VFW have called the official story a cover-up.

What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere? Omar would have plenty of political cover by citing these names, not to mention the extraordinary comportment of aging survivors, who tell their story in the documentary The Day Israel Attacked America.

We saw how much red-pilling went on after Omar called out AIPAC, and people are still arguing about it. When AIPAC was formed, Senator William Fulbright called for it to register as a foreign agent. So did JFK. JFK also supported the right of return for Palestinian refugees.

You start saying the emperor has no clothes and there's no telling where it winds up. Let this misbegotten "alliance" between America and the criminal state be tested as never before.

Chicago Tribune 2007: Declassified Israeli cables add evidence USS Liberty no accident:

"The cables obtained by the Tribune, and translated from Hebrew to English, are were published in a 2007 special report. They detail exchanges between the Israeli ambassador in Washington and the Israeli foreign minister in Tel Aviv. Five days after the attack, Israeli Ambassador Avraham Harman worried that the deliberate nature of the attack had been uncovered, and cabled Foreign Minister Abba Eban that a source, code-named "Hamlet," had told him that the Americans had:

"clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

As the diplomatic uproar over the attack played out, Harman cabled three days later that:

"the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.""

 

[Fledermaus]

She's proven pretty fearless so far, despite apologizing when she really had nothing to apologize for in saying AIPAC influences American politics. What's the controversy there when even Netanyahu bragged in 2001:



The USS Liberty survivors of the 1967 Israeli attack on the American ship are calling, to this very day, for a new investigation which would rectify the original cover-up, which was ordered to conclude that the deaths of 34 American sailors was an accident. It was not an accident, they say, but a false flag attack to sink the ship in order to blame it on Egypt so that the US would attack that country, which was Israel's arch-enemy. This was what Admiral Thomas Moorer thought, also chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There is no shortage of heavy hitters who have said they don't buy the "accident explanation one bit, including US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, CIA Director Richard Helms, CIA Deputy Director Admiral Rufus Taylor, former NSA Director Army Lieutenant General William Odom, on and on. Further more now both major veterans groups American Legion and VFW have called the official story a cover-up.

What are the chances the surviving crew might finally get a receptive ear in Rep. Ilhen Omar, for at least a call for a new investigation, even if it doesn't go anywhere? Omar would have plenty of political cover by citing these names, not to mention the extraordinary comportment of aging survivors, who tell their story in the documentary The Day Israel Attacked America.

We saw how much red-pilling went on after Omar called out AIPAC, and people are still arguing about it. When AIPAC was formed, Senator William Fulbright called for it to register as a foreign agent. So did JFK. JFK also supported the right of return for Palestinian refugees.

You start saying the emperor has no clothes and there's no telling where it winds up. Let this misbegotten "alliance" between America and the criminal state be tested as never before.

It's been investigated. Time and again.

Friendly fire in a battle zone.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Rexedgar]

It's been investigated. Time and again.

Friendly fire in a battle zone.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

We disagree.

 

[apdst]

We disagree.

Based on what evidence?

 

[Fledermaus]

We disagree.

The facts don't.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Israel apologized and paid reparations. The US government accepted both. How long can this horse be beat to death?

 

[Rexedgar]

Based on what evidence?

The facts don't.

More questions than answers; suffice it to say that I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident than we have been told. If you are interested there are more than enough pages of questions regarding this “accident.”

 

[munkle]

It's been investigated. Time and again.

Friendly fire in a battle zone.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

No actually it hasn't. It is the only naval engagement resulting in major ship damage and loss of life which was not given a congressional investigation. The "investigation" was a Navy board of inquiry led by Admiral John McCain Sr., father of the senator. No survivors were allowed to enter testimony which contradicted the already set official conclusion that it was an accident.

From IfAmericaKnew.org which has eleven-term Illinois Congressman Paul Findley and Ambassador Andrew I. Killgore on its Board:

No survivor was permitted to describe the close in machine-gun fire that continued for 40 minutes after Israel claims all firing stopped. No survivor was allowed to talk about the life rafts the Israeli torpedomen machine-gunned in the water. No survivor was permitted to challenge defects and fabrications in Israel’s story. Even my eyewitness testimony as officer-of-the deck was withheld from the official record. No evidence of Israeli culpability was “found” because no such testimony was allowed. To survivors, this was not an investigation. It was a cover-up. - Lt. Commander James Ennes, Officer of the Deck on day of attack

Other investigations such as Admiral Thomas Moorer's, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, concluded flatly that it was not an accident.

 

[Port & Starboard]

We disagree.

Did you serve with anyone from the USS Liberty? Have you spoken with anyone from the USS Liberty?

I have.

They know a hell of a lot more than you I would think.

But I expect we will all read about your knowledge on the incident?

 

[Rexedgar]

Did you serve with anyone from the USS Liberty? Have you spoken with anyone from the USS Liberty?

I have.

They know a hell of a lot more than you I would think.

But I expect we will all read about your knowledge on the incident?

Enlighten me. That’s why we are here, isn’t it?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Enlighten me. That’s why we are here, isn’t it?

Massive miscommunication for starters.

And......Dereliction of duty by the Admirals at the Pentagon.

That ship was placed in a direct line of warfare between 2 countries while Israel was fighting for it's life against 3 different countries at the same time. The admirals knew that **** happens in the fog of war and disregarded the safety of the Liberty......period!



I love the Navy and always will, but the leadership failed, and we got a lot of good sailors killed as a result.

 

[Rexedgar]

Massive miscommunication for starters.

And......Dereliction of duty by the Admirals at the Pentagon.

That ship was placed in a direct line of warfare between 2 countries while Israel was fighting for it's life against 3 different countries at the same time. The admirals knew that **** happens in the fog of war and disregarded the safety of the Liberty......period!

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I love the Navy and always will, but the leadership failed, and we got a lot of good sailors killed as a result.

You stated that you served with sailors from the USS Liberty and ‘spoke’ to those sailors. Those conversations is what I am interested in. There is an overload of information available online.

I was 14 going on 15 when I first read about this incident. Please share your personal experiences.

 

[Fledermaus]

More questions than answers; suffice it to say that I believe there is more to the USS Liberty incident than we have been told. If you are interested there are more than enough pages of questions regarding this “accident.”

A few accusations. Plenty of argument from incredulity. And little else.

What do YOU believe a new investigation will find?

 

[Fledermaus]

No actually it hasn't. It is the only naval engagement resulting in major ship damage and loss of life which was not given a congressional investigation. The "investigation" was a Navy board of inquiry led by Admiral John McCain Sr., father of the senator. No survivors were allowed to enter testimony which contradicted the already set official conclusion that it was an accident.

From IfAmericaKnew.org which has eleven-term Illinois Congressman Paul Findley and Ambassador Andrew I. Killgore on its Board:



Other investigations such as Admiral Thomas Moorer's, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, concluded flatly that it was not an accident.

IfAmericaKnew is a hack cite on par with Alex Jones.

There were multiple investigations on both sides of the Atlantic.

Try reading their findings instead of the drivel off hack sites.

 

[Rexedgar]

A few accusations. Plenty of argument from incredulity. And little else.

What do YOU believe a new investigation will find?

Fled, too many years have passed for there to be any substantive findings on this piece of history. The attack on anyone questioning this incident as being anti-Semitic is well worn.


You buy the “Gulf of Tonkin” events?

 

[Port & Starboard]

You stated that you served with sailors from the USS Liberty and ‘spoke’ to those sailors. Those conversations is what I am interested in. There is an overload of information available online.

I was 14 going on 15 when I first read about this incident. Please share your personal experiences.

Not one said positively that Israel knew that they were a US Naval vessel. They carried resentment naturally, but more towards the Pentagon for putting the ship there in the first place.

 

[Rexedgar]

Not one said positively that Israel knew that they were a US Naval vessel. They carried resentment naturally, but more towards the Pentagon for putting the ship there in the first place.

Are you intentionally dodging my questioning of your service and conversations with the crew present during the incident?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Are you intentionally dodging my questioning of your service and conversations with the crew present during the incident?

I just freaking told you.

You cannot be that daft.

 

[munkle]

Massive miscommunication for starters.

And......Dereliction of duty by the Admirals at the Pentagon.

That ship was placed in a direct line of warfare between 2 countries while Israel was fighting for it's life against 3 different countries at the same time. The admirals knew that **** happens in the fog of war and disregarded the safety of the Liberty......period!

It's much worse than that. Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, did his own investigations and concluded that the Israelis knew the ship was American and intended to sink it so it could be blamed on Egypt, so LBJ would have an excuse to bomb Cairo. You should talk to the survivors they will talk to you. They also tell their story in the documentary The Day Israel Attacked America which I urge you to watch.


Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship - Houston Chronicle

Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship

By Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Admiral Thomas Moorer

On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled, not once, but twice, through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I personally confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel's attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.

A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a case of mistaken identity."

Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

· Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.


· Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.

· Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most seriously wounded.

As a result, our commission concluded that:

· There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

· In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States

· The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.

http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm

 

[Port & Starboard]

It's much worse than that. Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, did his own investigations and concluded that the Israelis knew the ship was American and intended to sink it so it could be blamed on Egypt, so LBJ would have an excuse to bomb Cairo. You should talk to the survivors they will talk to you. They also tell their story in the documentary The Day Israel Attacked America which I urge you to watch.

Houston Chronicle

Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship - Houston Chronicle

Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship

By Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Admiral Thomas Moorer

On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled, not once, but twice, through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I personally confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel's attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.

A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a case of mistaken identity."

Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

· Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.


· Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.

· Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most seriously wounded.

As a result, our commission concluded that:

· There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

· In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States

· The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.



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I can go all day long with cut & paste articles to the contrary.

But conspiracy lovers will never acknowledge the fact that they might be wrong.

 

[Rexedgar]

I just freaking told you.

You cannot be that daft.

Were the markings: gtr 5 subdued? Was there not a large US flag flying from the mast?

“No one said positively?” Really?

You are USN retired as your avatar, right?

 

[munkle]

I can go all day long with cut & paste articles to the contrary.

But conspiracy lovers will never acknowledge the fact that they might be wrong.

It's called giving a source, an admiral and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. If that's just "an article" to you call up Ernie Gallo of the USS Liberty Association and talk to him. My hunch you don't give a sh!t. Glad I wasn't in the Navy if that's they way you got each other's backs. An "ally" murders your fellows deliberately, big deal. I'll take the Army.


USS Liberty Supporters
USS Liberty Conspiracy Theorists, unmasked


"I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."
-- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk

"Accidents don't occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft. It obviously was a decision made pretty high up on the Israeli side, because it involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. My judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior official gave the go ahead. I personally did not accept the Israeli explanation." -- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Recorded interview, USS Liberty Memorial

"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms in his book A Look Over my Shoulder

"It was no accident."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms in interview for Navy Times, 6/26/2002.

That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings

"I have never believed that the attack on the USS Liberty was a case of mistaken identity. That is ridiculous. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American."
-- Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff writing for Americans for Middle East Understanding, June 8, 1997

"To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway."
-- Admiral Rufus Taylor, Deputy CIA director, as quoted by CIA director Admiral Rufus Taylor in A Look Over My Shoulder.

"That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
-- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson

"Inconceivable that it was an accident 3 strafing passes, 3 torpedo boats. Set forth facts. Punish Israelis responsible"
-- Clark Clifford, Secretary of Defense under Lyndon Johnson, in Minutes of NSC Special Committee Meeting, 9 June 1967

"The attack was clearly deliberate."
-- General Marshall Carter, former director, National Security Agency, in a telephone interview with James Ennes

"....did not buy the Israeli 'mistake' explanations either. Nobody believes that explanation."
-- Major General John Morrison, US Air Force, Deputy Chief NSA Operations during the attack and later Chief of NSA Operations as reported in Body of Secrets by James Bamford, p233.

"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that they knew they were attacking an American ship."
-- Oliver Kirby, former deputy director for operations/production, National Security Agency. Kirby participated in NSA's investigation of the attack and reviewed translations of intercepted communications between pilots and their headquarters which he reports show conclusively that they knew their target was an American ship. Kirby is considered the "Godfather" of the USS Liberty and USS Pueblo intercept programs. (Telephone interviews with James Ennes and David Walsh for Friendless Fire, Proceedings, June 2003)

On the strength of intercept transcripts of pilots' conversations during the attack, the question of the attack's deliberateness "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the agency.
-- Lieutenant General William E. Odom, former director, National Security Agency, interview with David Walsh on March 3, 2003, reported in Naval Institute Proceedings, June, 2003

Inman said he "flatly rejected" the Cristol thesis that the attack was an accident. "It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [USS Liberty] was not correctly identified" based on his talks with NSA seniors at the time having direct knowledge of intercepted communications. No NSA official could be found who dissented from the "deliberate" conclusion.
-- Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN, Director National Security Agency 1977-1981, reported in Proceedings, June, 2003

 

[Abbazorkzog]

This disgusting antisemitic propaganda bull**** being pushed by American imperialists (which see Israel as their colony basically with which to do whatever the **** they want and must toe the US imperialist line like its some kind of ****ing dependency) has been debunked decades ago.

Fail OP... just... fail...

 

[Fledermaus]

Fled, too many years have passed for there to be any substantive findings on this piece of history. The attack on anyone questioning this incident as being anti-Semitic is well worn.

There are no other "substantive findings" to be found.

There were multiple attacks upon a vessel thought to be Egyptian.

It was thought to be Egyptian because it couldn't be American. The Americans had agreed to an exclusion zone where no American ships would be anywhere near that area.

Once the identity was verified the attacks were stopped and aid was offered.

Aid that was refused.

You buy the “Gulf of Tonkin” events?

The very real attacks that happened or the later ghost sightings via radar that likely were nothing?

 

[Fledermaus]

It's much worse than that. Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs, did his own investigations and concluded that the Israelis knew the ship was American and intended to sink it so it could be blamed on Egypt, so LBJ would have an excuse to bomb Cairo. You should talk to the survivors they will talk to you. They also tell their story in the documentary The Day Israel Attacked America which I urge you to watch.


Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship - Houston Chronicle

· There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

By launching aircraft that carry air to ground weapons....

Napalm is the last this you want if you wish to sink a ship.

And if the destruction of an AMERICAN ship was desired why did the torpedo boats turn away once the USS Liberty was identified?