Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

[Cardinal]

By the way, as to the repeal collapse...you're welcome, everybody.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Are you going to change your name to Trumpcarefail?

No, son. If this lousy bill had passed in it's present form, I would have considered changing it to "RinoCareFail", as it would have been merely a less onerous version of Obamacare. As it stands now, my username will remain ObamacareFail until obamacare is either repealed or collapses on it's own.

 

[MAGAnificent]

younger workers have had a different experience. they're probably going to tell me at my upcoming checkup that i need a test in the coming year which will cost who knows how much out of pocket. and no, laissez faire is not going to fix that.

Perhaps, however the problem is not the private sector, it's Obamacare. When Obamacare led to my individual policy cancellation letter, had I signed up for the Obamacare qualified plan, my monthly premium would have cost more then my home mortgage payment. And my deductible would have been $6000.00. My point is that Obamacare is not in reality, private care. It is government controlled healthcare. It was intended as a stepping stone to single payer.

probably to some limited extent, but not like in the states.

Every first world nation other then the US has a system to control frivolous medical malpractice suits. The US has in modern times elected too many trial attorneys into congress. That results in many laws meant to benefit their trial attorney brethren in the private sector. The result is a jackpot justice system that mostly enriches trial attorneys.

it's not that i don't "like" the food analogy. it's that the food analogy is not analogous.

Does not matter. My point is still valid. Even in regards to healthcare and healthcare insurance, if market forces are allowed to work, they in fact do work.

 

[Helix]

Perhaps, however the problem is not the private sector, it's Obamacare. When Obamacare led to my individual policy cancellation letter, had I signed up for the Obamacare qualified plan, my monthly premium would have cost more then my home mortgage payment. And my deductible would have been $6000.00. My point is that Obamacare is not in reality, private care. It is government controlled healthcare. It was intended as a stepping stone to single payer.

the problem existed long before the ACA. getting medical treatment has meant increasingly large bills since i started my professional career in late 1999. meanwhile, they just go to the doctor or hospital and get treated in other countries. it's amazing that it takes any effort to convince half of the country that this is a better way to do it, especially given the data.

Every first world nation other then the US has a system to control frivolous medical malpractice suits. The US has in modern times elected too many trial attorneys into congress. That results in many laws meant to benefit their trial attorney brethren in the private sector. The result is a jackpot justice system that mostly enriches trial attorneys.

ok, so as part of Medicare for all, we'll curb the ambulance chasers. i don't want to remove the right to sue for gross malpractice, but i agree that there's a real problem with the current legal industry.

Does not matter. My point is still valid. Even in regards to healthcare and healthcare insurance, if market forces are allowed to work, they in fact do work.

yes, the fact that you used a non-analogous analogy does matter.

 

[haymarket]

But the Republicans don't like to govern. In fact, they are against government, generally. So unless they can dictate what's to be done & not worry about consensus, they are not so good about getting bills passed. That requires governing skill and concerns.

And that key point is something we should always be ever reminded of. Many of the people in Congress who are Republicans simply are hostile to much of government and its functions. Its like putting the fox in the henhouse and then wondering why we not longer have the egg production we used to have.

If the GOP cannot get itself together on this key and fundamental issue - bad things are in store for them in the next two election cycles as more and more voters realize that practical results matter far more than fiery rhetoric or pie in the sky statements about libertarian beliefs.

 

[Greenbeard]

As it stands now, my username will remain ObamacareFail until obamacare is either repealed or collapses on it's own.

Sounds like you'll be keeping it for a long time.

 

[shrubnose]

TrumpCare will easily pass.

Have you read the news?

:lol:

 

[Greenbeard]

Have you read the news?

:lol:

 

[Moderate Right]

Why is it that liberals always have to post cartoons?

 

[Greenbeard]

Why is it that liberals always have to post cartoons?

Aliens was a film, not a cartoon.

 

[Moderate Right]

Aliens was a film, not a cartoon.

The left often posts junk space instead of making arguments. I guess that is because they don't have any arguments. Cartoons, videos about aliens, and emogee's are the best things they can come up with.

 

[NeverTrump]

Are you going to change your name to Trumpcarefail?

If he was any bit objective and could laugh at himself. He should.

 

[Greenbeard]

The left often posts junk space instead of making arguments. I guess that is because they don't have any arguments. Cartoons, videos about aliens, and emogee's are the best things they can come up with.

And the right is having a big sad right now.

Cheer up buckaroo! You get to rail about Obamacare for years to come.

 

[Moderate Right]

And the right is having a big sad right now.

Cheer up buckaroo! You get to rail about Obamacare for years to come.

Well, even the left rails about Obamacare, wanting to fix it, it is so bad. It's sinking in quicksand.

 

[Greenbeard]

Well, even the left rails about Obamacare, wanting to fix it, it is so bad. It's sinking in quicksand.

Take Mulvaney's advice and move to a better state.

 

[Linc]

Well, even the left rails about Obamacare, wanting to fix it, it is so bad. It's sinking in quicksand.

How many GOP amendments and planks are in PPACA?

How many DEM amendments and planks are in trumpcare ?

 

[Moderate Right]

Take Mulvaney's advice and move to a better state.

It is the left who should move to another country since they hate what this one has become. Funny how some big name libs said they would move out of the country if Trump won and yet they are still here.

 

[Linc]

Take Mulvaney's advice and move to a better state.

GOPs have 4 empty house seats in SC, GA, MT and KS--while DEMs have one in CA--thus the 216 out of 430 GOP problem.

Off-year elections in VA and NJ will be huge.

This link show elections out to 2020:

The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017

 

[rocket88]

Have you read the news?

:lol:

Yes. Two weeks ago, my prediction was wrong.

 

[Moderate Right]

How many GOP amendments and planks are in PPACA?

How many DEM amendments and planks are in trumpcare ?

No such thing as Trumpcare. The law of the land is Obamacare. You can debate until the cows come home and it will still be called Obamacare.

 

[Linc]

No such thing as Trumpcare. The law of the land is Obamacare. You can debate until the cows come home and it will still be called Obamacare.

Republicans aren't too good at this governing thing, are they? The GOP house was good at obstruction and 'Hell No' for the last 10 years.

Oh, how's that 'Hastert Rule' from the 1990s going for you GOPs?

How many amendments and planks did the GOP get in ACA, compared to what the DEMs got in trumpcare ?

 

[JumpinJack]

No, son. If this lousy bill had passed in it's present form, I would have considered changing it to "RinoCareFail", as it would have been merely a less onerous version of Obamacare. As it stands now, my username will remain ObamacareFail until obamacare is either repealed or collapses on it's own.

Obamacare won't collapse on its own, now. Now it's being run and funded by Republicans, who have started the process of de-funding it. So Republicans are going to try to make it fail.

This is now a Republican problem. No matter what the politicians say, the people have a habit of blaming whoever they see as responsible for it at the time. If they had left Obamacare as it was, the Repubs might have had a case that the Dems are responsible for a healthcare system that failed, but it's now too late. They've already changed provisions in it and messed with it. It's now THEIRS, if there is a fail. But it's not theirs, if it continues to do at least passably well.

The Repubs only chance is to pass a real bill that really seeks to provide health care to people (not to get more money to pass to rich people and corporations in the form of tax cuts), such as a single payer system, or a streamlined or fixed Obamacare. These sorts of bills won't cost less, I would say. But the goal is to provide health care. That's good for the country as a whole in so many ways.

 

[Moderate Right]

Republicans aren't too good at this governing thing, are they? The GOP house was good at obstruction and 'Hell No' for the last 10 years.

Oh, how's that 'Hastert Rule' from the 1990s going for you GOPs?

How many amendments and planks did the GOP get in ACA, compared to what the DEMs got in trumpcare ?

Argue all you want. Obamacare is called Obamacare.

 

[JANFU]

Argue all you want. Obamacare is called Obamacare.

Argue all you want but HC eventually will be single payer. The millions that have gained reasonably priced coverage vote want it, and they ain't giving it up.

 

[Moderate Right]

Argue all you want but HC eventually will be single payer. The millions that have gained reasonably priced coverage vote want it, and they ain't giving it up.

Don't know how government works, do you? Even if Bernie would have won we would still be right where we are now.