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Will Sullivan sign off on Flynn's dismissal?

Flynn was the one they could blackmail not the FBI. The Russians knew that Flynn betrayed his country as was lying about it to protect himself and Trump. They could threaten to reveal his lie. Flynn made a fool of himself for not knowing that the ambassadors calls were monitored too.

The FBI knew what Flynn and Kisylak spoke about.

The FBI has no issue with what the two spoke about.
The FBI is a member of the Executive Branch of the USA
The NSC is a member of the Executive branch of the USA
The Vice President is a member of the Executive branch of the USA.
The USA knew what Flynn had said. No blackmail would be possible.
 
Now it looks like Sullivan wants amicus briefs. Swell. Maybe those 2000 former DOJ officials will be asked to present their take on Flynn. Maybe he wants to hear from Obama.

Judge slows down effort to drop Flynn case - POLITICO

Flynn is ****ed.
Flynn should be ****ed. Maybe you just have no idea how the law actually works. In this case, Flynn already confessed - uncoerced - to the judge and specified how he met each of the elements of the charge. That's called an allocution.

"In plea bargains, an allocution may be required of the defendant. The defendant explicitly admits specifically and in detail the actions and their reasons in exchange for a reduced sentence. In principle, that removes any doubt as to the exact nature of the defendant's guilt in the matter." Based upon those sworn statements, in court, under oath, under penalty of perjury, the judge found Mr. Flynn guilty of the charge to which he pled. We're past that stage. He's guilty. We're still at the sentencing phase.

What AG Barr has tried to do is undo centuries of criminal law practice, and years of prosecutorial effort in this case, for purely political reasons - to curry favor with his boss. The memorandum filed with the court by DoJ was outrageous on its face. They asserted that the lies, which were central to the investigation, were "immaterial". That is ludicrous, and contrary to his plea. (In addition, it raises the issue of perjury - if he lied in his allocution, that is a basis for prosecution.)

Collusion, in this case, is when the plaintiff (DoJ) and defendant (Flynn) "collude" for a particular outcome from the court that is contrary to the law and facts of the case. There is a very real chance that Judge Sullivan will not allow either the withdrawal of the plea or the reversal of the DoJ because he doesn't have any legitimate reason to agree to it. Yes, those will become issues on appeal, which creates a whole different kettle of fish. It would not be an abuse of his discretion to disallow the plea change, or ignore the last minute submission of the DoJ.

Mostly, of course, it is because this is a blatant miscarriage of justice - not for the Defendant, but for the United States. That's now how the system is supposed to operate.
 
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No, it doesn't. What the interviewer thinks doesn't matter. What matters is the facts. He said something that wasn't true to the FBI. It's just a fact. If a cop doesn't think I'm driving drunk but then I fall over, vomit and then blow a .2 at the jail I will be arrested for DUI. His opinion won't get me out of that DUI. Facts matter.

He kept it open. The word "panic" is your biased and desperate attempt to portray it as something sinister as opposed to just a regular choice that FBI officials make every day. He did his job.

No, it doesn't. If his son committed a crime, that's on his son. If he didn't then Flynn shouldn't have plead guilty. This is a very common police tactic. In reality the FBI was extremely lenient on Flynn and his son. They could have charged Flynn much more severely with all the shady **** he was up to. That's why the judge was asking if he was a traitor. Because the judge, unlike Trump supporters and Mr. Flynn, actually cares about the country.

If the national security adviosr to POTUS is lying to officials regarding foreign communications, then there is a very good reason to ask him about it. He was asked repeatedly and he lied repeatedly. It was his choice and no one forced him to do so.


Perjury trap is Trump lingo for "I have to defend this asshole, and I have no real excuse, so I'm going to use this buzzword." You can't force him to lie. Asking someone a question you already know the answer to is not a perjury trap. Period. It's a childish bull**** excuse.

Perjury traps are easy to use. You take facts you already know, usually obscure ones that the person being questioned may not remember and then when the person confuses a time or date or some other thing, you accuse him of perjury. That's what happened to Flynn. Then, to make sure he admitted to "lying" they turned up the heat by threatening his son. It's the worst sort of third world thug tactics and you wholeheartedly support it because you have deranged hatred for Trump. This thing was never about Flynn. It was about using Flynn to get at Trump. It was a gross abuse of power yet, again, the left is all for it as long as it's being used on its opponents.
 
Flynn should be ****ed. Maybe you just have no idea how the law actually works. In this case, Flynn already confessed - uncoerced .

There's the first falsehood.

Why read any further?
 
Incorrect. Stevens plead not guilty and went to trial.

So what? The case was rightfully tossed based on prosecutorial misconduct. Misconduct by the FBI is even worse in many ways. Sullivan has now shown himself to be a partisan hack asking some other judge to come in and offer opinions. What the hell is that? It's pathetic. He can't get past his Trump/Flynn hate anymore than the rest of the rabid left. He should recuse himself because of his bias or be removed.
 
Lying to Pence wasn't a crime. Neither is cheating on your wife with a Russian prostitute. But that doesn't mean people won't commit crimes to avoid having that information revealed, does it?

Flynn committed no crime and, therefore, had nothing to hide. Neither having contacted Kislyak nor the content of what was discussed was illegal or even unusual with an incoming administration. Had either been illegal, the FBI would have simply charged Flynn on that basis. They wouldn't have had to concoct a perjury trap.
 
Perjury traps are easy to use. You take facts you already know, usually obscure ones that the person being questioned may not remember and then when the person confuses a time or date or some other thing, you accuse him of perjury. That's what happened to Flynn. Then, to make sure he admitted to "lying" they turned up the heat by threatening his son. It's the worst sort of third world thug tactics and you wholeheartedly support it because you have deranged hatred for Trump. This thing was never about Flynn. It was about using Flynn to get at Trump. It was a gross abuse of power yet, again, the left is all for it as long as it's being used on its opponents.

Feel free to prove that. Because that's not what any of the evidence says. They asked him about a specific phone call. And the phone call was extremely specific because it was already in the news because Pence had announce publicly that Flynn had told him he hadn't discussed something with the Russian ambassador. So they asked him about that specific topic. The idea that they tricked him, when they were asking him about this specific communication and this specific topic that had been all over the news is ****ing idiotic beyond belief. I can't believe you are even attempting such an obviously silly excuse.
 
Feel free to prove that. Because that's not what any of the evidence says. They asked him about a specific phone call. And the phone call was extremely specific because it was already in the news because Pence had announce publicly that Flynn had told him he hadn't discussed something with the Russian ambassador. So they asked him about that specific topic. The idea that they tricked him, when they were asking him about this specific communication and this specific topic that had been all over the news is ****ing idiotic beyond belief. I can't believe you are even attempting such an obviously silly excuse.


Neither the call or anything about the call was illegal. Therefore, the FBI had no reason to be grilling Flynn except as a way to get at Trump. That's what the release of documents is making abundantly clear.
 
Neither the call or anything about the call was illegal. Therefore, the FBI had no reason to be grilling Flynn except as a way to get at Trump. That's what the release of documents is making abundantly clear.

So now you are going straight from "It was a perjury trap! They tricked him!" to "They shouldn't have been asking!"

Pathetic. It doesn't matter if nothing was illegal. He had lied to members of the administration. Why on earth wouldn't they ask him to try to figure out whats going on? The point is that he did lie. And he shouldn't have.
 
Flynn committed no crime and, therefore, had nothing to hide. Neither having contacted Kislyak nor the content of what was discussed was illegal or even unusual with an incoming administration. Had either been illegal, the FBI would have simply charged Flynn on that basis. They wouldn't have had to concoct a perjury trap.

It wasn't a perjury trap... if Flynn had nothing to hide, he should have come clean to the FBI and told the truth. They gave him every opportunity to do so, and they only asked him the same questions that Pence did.
 
It wasn't a perjury trap... if Flynn had nothing to hide, he should have come clean to the FBI and told the truth. They gave him every opportunity to do so, and they only asked him the same questions that Pence did.

Flynn had nothing to come clean about. You only need to come clean if you're covering up some nefarious activity, which Flynn never engaged in.
 
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