Will American businesses turn to concentration camp labor?

[j brown's body]

Its rather funny that you can't tell when your imagination runs wild with you, and you post it all up here for all to see.
Perhaps draft your post, wait a few minutes, walk away from the keyboard, and reflect before you hit the 'post reply' button?


Those would be in Germany and the then, during WW II, occupied countries, wouldn't it?
I strongly doubt that any of them are here in the US AND are using what you call 'concentration camp labor'.


I'm skeptical.


You call them concentration camps, more properly they should be called ICE Detention Facilities, a waypoint on the way of being deported.
I don't think you can continue to honestly call them concentration camps until there's force labor, there's starvation, and some detainees are worked to death.

Let me know if the ICE Detention Facilities even come close to any of that.
This also goes to demonstrate how ridiculous and outlandish your calling them concentration camps really is.
Sheesh, have you not learned in history class or from books about the conditions of the REAL concentration camps during WW II?
Apparently not, because you are in fact making this ridiculous and outlandish claim, are you not?

"It is an unequivocal fact that the government itself, including the President, used the term “concentration camp” during World War II in speeches and written documents. It is also crucial to note that a “concentration camp” is defined broadly as a place where people are imprisoned not because they are guilty of any crimes, but simply because of who they are. Many groups have been singled out for such persecution throughout history, with the term “concentration camp” first used at the turn of the twentieth century in the Spanish-American and Boer wars. Despite some differences, all concentration camps have one thing in common: People in power remove a minority group from the general population, and the rest of society lets it happen."

Terminology and the Japanese American Experience

One can, of course, argue that these folks are guilty of the civil crime of being here illegally, but the punishment is wildly disproportionate to the punishment, and most of the prisoners were simply minding their own business and living their lives peaceful, often as productive members of society. ICE isn't terribly choosy about who they snatch off the street.

 

[bythoughts]

Gee. Sounds like the targeted shutdowns of churches and even their out door ceremonies during COVID.

I didn't favor that either. One thing liberal and "conservative" politicians have in common is they don't care what we think.

 

[Peter]

Make it tough and they quit sneaking in.

How about you just go full bonkers and have the death sentence as the only punishment for all crimes?
It'll deter crime so why not?

 

[snowynight]

How do you know that this just isn't some MSM progandists' wild spun fiction specifically designed for you rconsumption?
Oh, right. You don't.

Hypothetically, were all of that really happening, documentable and provable beyond a reasonable doubt, there'd be legions of law suites, wouldn't there?

Rather odd that none of them have been reported - you'd figure that the leftist MSM would be shouting about them from every mountain top every hours of every day.

As if proof actually matters under this regime. Out of curiosity, do you listen to anything other than Fox News? The mainstream news are listening to victims. I listen to victims. I do not listen to Trump or his barbaric regime. Trump lied his way into getting re-elected. He lied and caused J6. He should never be believed. Keep in mind they're not letting lawyers in there. They didn't want to let congress people in there. Tell me how there would be more documentation at this time? BTW, lawsuits are probably coming.

'They chained me to the ground': Detainees at Alligator Alcatraz allege harsh punishment by guards

While the new Everglades migrant detention center fends off complaints about its living conditions, some detainees claim guards are also doling out discipline for questioning rules — including standing in the hot Florida sun for extended periods. Officials deny the charge.

www.wlrn.org

Venezuelan detainee alleges inhumane conditions at Alligator Alcatraz: "They have us in a cage like chickens."

Enzo Aspite, held at a controversial Florida detention site, describes overcrowding, poor sanitation, and lack of medical care. State officials deny the claims.

www.cbsnews.com

The following is not a news source, but an immigration source.

What Is Alligator Alcatraz? Inside the Controversial Florida Migrant Detention Center Proposal - Herman Legal Group

what is alligator alcatraz? DHS proposes a massive immigrant detention center in florida. many object to human rights and costs issues

www.lawfirm4immigrants.com

• Tents and Trailers: Provides quick deployment of temporary housing that is cost effective compared to traditional detention centers.

Why would a tent and trailer center be put in a hurricane zone? The powers that be know this is unsafe.

Geographic and Legal Isolation​

• Far from courts and legal aid.
• Difficult for detainees to contact attorneys.

Harsh Environmental Conditions​

• Intense heat and humidity.
• Wildlife dangers: alligators, snakes, mosquitoes.
• Tent-based infrastructure vulnerable to hurricanes and flooding.

The facility is also located near some of the most fragile ecosystems in the region, including the Big Cypress National Preserve. Critics argue that lasting protection is needed for these areas to prevent harmful development and safeguard them for future generations.



It's really all about whether you believe victims or whether you believe a group of well known liars (this administration). They have such a tight hold over everything right now. I promise you the moment more sane people get in charge (doesn't have to be Democrat, just people who aren't extremists), there are going to be consequences. Lawsuits, attempts to people people in prison. Trump better pull Biden's stunt before he leaves because if people like me have my way, they're all going to prison.

 

[snowynight]

That the bishop was not permitted to conduct mass at the facility speaks to the conditions at the facility?
I didn't think so.


Gee. Sounds like the targeted shutdowns of churches and even their out door ceremonies during COVID.

One was about protecting people from death from a disease. The other is about terrorizing people in their own church as they worship. Huge difference. I go to church every Sunday wondering if this is the day that ICE comes and terrorizes my congregation. By contrast, I patiently watched church service videos until it was safer to go to church during the pandemic.

 

[snowynight]

That the bishop was not permitted to conduct mass at the facility speaks to the conditions at the facility?
I didn't think so.


Gee. Sounds like the targeted shutdowns of churches and even their out door ceremonies during COVID.

Let's explore the article.

They're basically giving every dumb excuse in the book. It's a state issue. It's a federal issue. It's an over crowding issue (which doesn't mean you can't have mass, only that the over crowding should stop).

This basically comes down to wanting to deny freedom of religion to the detainees. Even in traditional prisons full of murderers and rapists, they have services. Every human being should have a right to spiritual guidance as much as food and medicine.

 

[eohrnberger]

Let's explore the article.

They're basically giving every dumb excuse in the book.

That'd be your opinion. OK.

It's a state issue. It's a federal issue. It's an over crowding issue (which doesn't mean you can't have mass, only that the over crowding should stop).

This basically comes down to wanting to deny freedom of religion to the detainees.

I don't think that this is valid. Not permitting a bishop access to conduct mass isn't the same as 'deny freedom of religion'.
Cannot each detainee practice their religion, i.e. pray?

Even in traditional prisons full of murderers and rapists, they have services.

This facility isn't a prison.
It is a transportation transit point for illegal aliens in the process of being deported and transported to their destination.

Every human being should have a right to spiritual guidance as much as food and medicine.

Your opinion so noted.

 

[eohrnberger]

One was about protecting people from death from a disease.

Why weren't the riots, which the dems supported, not shutdown because of 'protecting people from death from a disease'?

The incidence of death from COVID was a very small percentage, especially so after the medical community figured out which treatments worked the best.
No, it's pretty clearly more so politically targeted and implemented.

The other is about terrorizing people in their own church as they worship. Huge difference.

Are you calling the enforcement of existing immigration laws 'terrorizing people'?
Those legally in the country don't have anything to worry about.

I go to church every Sunday wondering if this is the day that ICE comes and terrorizes my congregation.

Is this a real or just imagined?

By contrast, I patiently watched church service videos until it was safer to go to church during the pandemic.

 

[eohrnberger]

As if proof actually matters under this regime.

Regime?

Out of curiosity, do you listen to anything other than Fox News?

Red herring disregarded.

The mainstream news are listening to victims. I listen to victims.

. . . and whatever fictions they spin.

I do not listen to Trump or his barbaric regime. Trump lied his way into getting re-elected. He lied and caused J6. He should never be believed.

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

Keep in mind they're not letting lawyers in there.

All the hearings and court dates have already happened.
This is like the last stop to deport these illegal aliens back to their country of origin.

They didn't want to let congress people in there. Tell me how there would be more documentation at this time? BTW, lawsuits are probably coming.

'They chained me to the ground': Detainees at Alligator Alcatraz allege harsh punishment by guards

While the new Everglades migrant detention center fends off complaints about its living conditions, some detainees claim guards are also doling out discipline for questioning rules — including standing in the hot Florida sun for extended periods. Officials deny the charge.

www.wlrn.org

Venezuelan detainee alleges inhumane conditions at Alligator Alcatraz: "They have us in a cage like chickens."

Enzo Aspite, held at a controversial Florida detention site, describes overcrowding, poor sanitation, and lack of medical care. State officials deny the claims.

www.cbsnews.com

The following is not a news source, but an immigration source.

What Is Alligator Alcatraz? Inside the Controversial Florida Migrant Detention Center Proposal - Herman Legal Group

what is alligator alcatraz? DHS proposes a massive immigrant detention center in florida. many object to human rights and costs issues

www.lawfirm4immigrants.com

• Tents and Trailers: Provides quick deployment of temporary housing that is cost effective compared to traditional detention centers.

Why would a tent and trailer center be put in a hurricane zone? The powers that be know this is unsafe.

Geographic and Legal Isolation​

• Far from courts and legal aid.
• Difficult for detainees to contact attorneys.

Harsh Environmental Conditions​

• Intense heat and humidity.
• Wildlife dangers: alligators, snakes, mosquitoes.
• Tent-based infrastructure vulnerable to hurricanes and flooding.

The facility is also located near some of the most fragile ecosystems in the region, including the Big Cypress National Preserve. Critics argue that lasting protection is needed for these areas to prevent harmful development and safeguard them for future generations.

It's really all about whether you believe victims or whether you believe a group of well known liars (this administration).

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

They have such a tight hold over everything right now. I promise you the moment more sane people get in charge (doesn't have to be Democrat, just people who aren't extremists), there are going to be consequences. Lawsuits, attempts to people people in prison. Trump better pull Biden's stunt before he leaves because if people like me have my way, they're all going to prison.

sliding ever further to the extremist leftist positions. Well, you be you.