Why we must remrmber the past

[Deuce]

Socialist program.

So we're already a socialist nation, then?

 

[AProudLefty]

So we're already a socialist nation, then?

Nope. We're a Capitalist nation with socialist programs running under it.

 

[Deuce]

Nope. We're a Capitalist nation with socialist programs running under it.

Ok great.

Would it surprise you to learn that liberals want to implement socialist programs, not socialism?

 

[poweRob]

We absolutely must remember the past and not re-write it.

An on going example is what is happening right now. A good percentage of young people say they like socialism. Yet past history tells us when only the government has guns which always seems to happen in countries with socialism, look what happened last century. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 MILLION people were killed.

There are two really true facts here that history teaches us, don't turn socialist and don't give up your guns.

So, you going to advise people to go to a country club again to get links you never bring?

 

[AProudLefty]

Ok great.

Would it surprise you to learn that liberals want to implement socialist programs, not socialism?

That's what I was saying.




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[Deuce]

That's what I was saying.




<----------------- Look at how I lean.

Hah, I brain flipped you and the guy you were responding to.

 

[Irwin Corey]

We absolutely must remember the past and not re-write it.

I thought you and your orange leader wanted to do exactly that, "make America Great … AGAIN!!!!.

An on going example is what is happening right now. A good percentage of young people say they like socialism. Yet past history tells us when only the government has guns which always seems to happen in countries with socialism

NOT true, countries with "socialism" really have NEVER existed, Argentina (you guys like to point to Argentina … don't you), for example, is NOT a SOCIALIST country; it's a totalitarian dictatorship masquerading as "SOCIALISM">

look what happened last century. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 MILLION people were killed.

Oh, many more than that! And some of them were killed by the armed forces of Capitalist Countries, the ones you're talking about, it think, were killed by totalitarian governments masquerading as Communist or Socialist Governments.

There are two really true facts here that history teaches us, don't turn socialist TOTALITARIAN

Like tRump wants for These United States. Congratulations Xi, on your totalitarian dictatorship; "We ought to give that a shot"-djt.

and don't give up your guns.

That's not necessarily true, to believe that you'd have to ignore MANY Capitalistic countries like Great Britain, Canada, Sweden, Australia … <- dot, dot, dot. And NO ONE in These United States, with any credibility want's to take ALL your guns, like some of the other successful and free Capitalist Countries.

 

[spud_meister]

We absolutely must remember the past and not re-write it.

An on going example is what is happening right now. A good percentage of young people say they like socialism. Yet past history tells us when only the government has guns which always seems to happen in countries with socialism, look what happened last century. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 MILLION people were killed.

There are two really true facts here that history teaches us, don't turn socialist and don't give up your guns.

How did the presence of guns prevent socialism though?

 

[Craig234]

OP is right that history is important and must not be re-writen. Yet he's the one trying to re-write it. It's standard for authoritarian regimes to re-write history, because that helps them. Funny enough that very point was made about a regime doing that right now yesterday on a news show (I forgot which ones).

You shouldn't expect to hear a WORD about the real history from the OP - how right-wing policies have led to tyranny elsewhere, to the Great Depression, worse economies, and plutocracy and the corrupt takeover of our government here, and ar incompatible with democracy.

 

[Logical1]

Is Medicare socialism?

No it is an insurance program I have being paying into since it was created.

 

[southwest88]

Re: Call the question

Originally Posted by southwest88
So who all is included in socialism above?

Since apparently your public schools didn't teach you historical facts of the 20th century, that would be the USSR with Stalin, Germany with Hitler, and China with Mao. You are welcome.

Nah, my school did OK, thanks. The USSR was Communist, not Socialist. They have some common ground, but I don't know that Marx would have been willing to kill & hound so many people unto death in order to establish Communism.

Hitler's Germany was hardly Socialist, despite having the word in the party name. If anything, he was very much opposed to Communism, & likely would have repudiated any overlap between Socialism & Communism.

Mao was another Communist, although that was with a Chinese twist. Would Marx have recognized Mao as a Communist? Hard to say.

Mainly, Communism is a political system, as well as an economic system. Socialism is the bigger tent, Socialism is willing to work in multi-party states; Communism is always angling to force out any other parties, & rule by itself.

 

[Logical1]

How did the presence of guns prevent socialism though?

All three confiscated guns BEFORE they started killing their citizens.

 

[Logical1]

Re: Call the question

Originally Posted by southwest88
So who all is included in socialism above?



Nah, my school did OK, thanks. The USSR was Communist, not Socialist. They have some common ground, but I don't know that Marx would have been willing to kill & hound so many people unto death in order to establish Communism.

Hitler's Germany was hardly Socialist, despite having the word in the party name. If anything, he was very much opposed to Communism, & likely would have repudiated any overlap between Socialism & Communism.

Mao was another Communist, although that was with a Chinese twist. Would Marx have recognized Mao as a Communist? Hard to say.

Mainly, Communism is a political system, as well as an economic system. Socialism is the bigger tent, Socialism is willing to work in multi-party states; Communism is always angling to force out any other parties, & rule by itself.

So tell me what does the S in NSDAP stand for in the party name?

Communist is socialist with guns.

 

[Deuce]

No it is an insurance program I have being paying into since it was created.

So medicare for all is fine then!

 

[southwest88]

Re: Call the question

So tell me what does the S in NSDAP stand for in the party name?

Communist is socialist with guns.

Yah, & every Soviet bloc nation used to style itself the People's Democratic this, that & the other. That had no more basis in reality than the Nazis calling themselves socialist - they weren't about caring about their society @ all - they were merely grubbing for power & then for purging all the non-Aryans (whatever that meant), & wiping out any political resistance. & all for invading the USSR, as if they could outperform Stalin in ruthlessness.

If you want to claim that Socialism is the same as Communism, please, go head.

 

[TomFitz]

Highly doubtful, TomFitz. Which is why the Second Amendment can and should reasonably be read to encompass weapons of war, not simply for sport and home defense.

As if your freedom in only guaranteed when you have an even bigger gun.

What nonsense.

The world is full of free countries with few guns.

 

[Luther]

We absolutely must remember the past and not re-write it.

An on going example is what is happening right now. A good percentage of young people say they like socialism. Yet past history tells us when only the government has guns which always seems to happen in countries with socialism, look what happened last century. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 MILLION people were killed.

There are two really true facts here that history teaches us, don't turn socialist and don't give up your guns.

Yes, Libs don't understand the events that took place leading up to the "shot heard around the world"

 

[Luther]

As if your freedom in only guaranteed when you have an even bigger gun.

What nonsense.

The world is full of free countries with few guns.

But NOT AMERICAN FREE(Ideals)

Other countries are NOT these United American states

 

[Luther]

It really a 3 step thing.

1) Don't turn socialist.

2) Don't turn socialist because they have killed 100 million of their own people.

3) Don't give up you guns, and prevent 1 and 2.


Look at it this way. People with guns are free voting citizens. People without guns are slaves or dead, see number 2.

We're what I call a "Late state socialist county"

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Again remember history!!!!!! Japan knew that invading the US early in WWII was futile. Not only was there the US Army, but millions of guns in the hands of regular Americans.

Again remember this----------------------people with guns are voting citizens. People without guns are slaves and will JOIN the 100 million dead of the last century!!!!

Japan never intended to invade America, and even if they had seriously considered the notion, small arms in the hands of untrained Americans would be of little concern.

Stop talking stupid **** about people who choose not to arm themselves. They have the right not to own firearms, same as the rest of us have the to own firearms.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Highly doubtful, TomFitz. Which is why the Second Amendment can and should reasonably be read to encompass weapons of war, not simply for sport and home defense.

Absolutely idiotic.

 

[Felis Leo]

Absolutely idiotic.

That is not an argument, RaleBulgarian. It is barely an opinion. If your argument is that the Second Amendment is idiotic and should be ignored in its entirety, fine. There are many here who would agree with you. But free citizens cannot reasonably expected to form militias without weapons of war.

 

[Felis Leo]

As if your freedom in only guaranteed when you have an even bigger gun.

What nonsense.

The world is full of free countries with few guns.

That is a perfectly understandable argument against the need for the Second Amendment, and for its abridgment or elimination. It is not an argument against the freedom to keep and bear arms that the Second Amendment actually protects.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

That is not an argument, RaleBulgarian. It is barely an opinion. If your argument is that the Second Amendment is idiotic and should be ignored in its entirety, fine. There are many here who would agree with you. But free citizens cannot reasonably expected to form militias without weapons of war.

As I bolded the portion of your comment that is idiotic, my brief comment should have been clear. I’ll try again.

Your assertion that civilians should be allowed to own weapons of war is absolutely idiotic. There is not one valid reason for allowing civilians to own weapons of war, and plenty why they shouldn’t.

Hope this clears up my position for you.

 

[zyzygy]

It really a 3 step thing.

1) Don't turn socialist.

2) Don't turn socialist because they have killed 100 million of their own people.

3) Don't give up you guns, and prevent 1 and 2.


Look at it this way. People with guns are free voting citizens. People without guns are slaves or dead, see number 2.

There are no dead or slave people without guns where I live. We get along fine without them. It's great not to have mass shootings.