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Why shut down everything when more than 96 percent survive (virus)

marke said:
You are right. When I want to highlight the fact that a poor nation cannot get off the ground because of bad fiscal policies which do not allow rich investors to come in an exploit the people and resources, why would I use Sweden as an example? If a nation does not want its people and resources being expoloited by rich investors who bring with them money and business, then they might as well enjoy poverty.

America did not become great by socialism or communism. It became great because of God and capitalism.
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So God was in favor of American slavery and the genocide it committed? God is pro-slavery and pro-genocide? Thanks for giving me more reasons to never believe in or worship any god.

Also, thank you for not contesting my example of Sweden, which means you agree that America could adopt policies like Sweden including higher taxes and regulations on the rich without turning into Haiti.

Man, your self-own in your post was amazing. You did all the work for me.
 
Questerr said:
So God was in favor of American slavery and the genocide it committed? God is pro-slavery and pro-genocide? Thanks for giving me more reasons to never believe in or worship any god.

Also, thank you for not contesting my example of Sweden, which means you agree that America could adopt policies like Sweden including higher taxes and regulations on the rich without turning into Haiti.

Man, your self-own in your post was amazing. You did all the work for me.
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Sweden did not become a prosperous nation by being established on principles of Marxism, and neither has any other nation in history.

God was not in favor of abuses of slavery any more than He favors democrat policies designed to minimize His influence in American politics.
 
marke said:
Sweden did not become a prosperous nation by being established on principles of Marxism, and neither has any other nation in history.

God was not in favor of abuses of slavery any more than He favors democrat policies designed to minimize His influence in American politics.
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It was not the dems that tried to minimize religion's influence on our country, it was our forefathers who wrote the constitution. Maybe before you write crap you should take a history course that includes the history of the constitution. Many of the people came to this country because they were persecuted for their particular form of religion in the country the came from. In many countries including England you could be hung for belonging to the wrong religion. So they absolutely wanted to keep religion out of our government.
 
marke said:
Sweden did not become a prosperous nation by being established on principles of Marxism, and neither has any other nation in history.

God was not in favor of abuses of slavery any more than He favors democrat policies designed to minimize His influence in American politics.
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So when America grew and thrived while engaging in slavery and genocide, did God hate us then? Were America's blessings from Satan instead?

Also, are you trying to argue Haiti was established on principle of Marxism? Karl Marx would be very surprised to find out Marxism existed in 1804, 44 years before the Communist Manifesto was written.
 
Questerr said:
Radio waves don’t transmit viruses. That’s ****ing idiotic.
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I did not say they did--you did.

Radiation makes people sick. Many things in the world make people sick, not just Covid.
 
~ None of this has to do with facts about COVID-19. It's about sensationalizing the topic and getting people outrageously worked up over the issue -- then finding a way to "blame Trump". This is what the Democrats propaganda arm does constantly with the media helping. They will continue to do as long as they can.
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LosAngelesAngel said:
~ None of this has to do with facts about COVID-19. It's about sensationalizing the topic and getting people outrageously worked up over the issue -- then finding a way to "blame Trump". This is what the Democrats propaganda arm does constantly with the media helping. They will continue to do as long as they can.
Sad ...
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Trump and Covid: The reality is, many Americans see through the fraud of a Presidency and speak up.

1. Covid appears overseas

Trump already decimated a team that could have responded earlier

Trump ignores intelligence and does not act.

Calls the Democrats call for action a hoax, early swift actions by the way would have mitigated the virus.

With swift action we would have had: covid- Pandemic- but no crisis

The Trump orders half ass travel restrictions, allowing many foreigners to travel in.

2. Covid in U.S.

Trump still not serious

Magically disappear

Appointments dumbbell Kushner to ***** up the response

3. Pandemic

Chaos in White House

Poor response to help all of the U.S.

Stock market crashing

People dying

Trump begins to point fingers to Governor's to deflect blame

Takes any morsel of credit

Then denies any responsibility

4. Crisis

Press briefings with a word salad buffoon leader trying to calm Americans. Instill confidence. Calm markets.

Trump and his buffoonery get the opposite effect. Markets crash, huge unemployment, more and more people dying.

Blame, blame, blame with I'm not responsible

5. Floyd killing

Trump fans violence by attacking peaceful protesters on Lafeyette st.

More leadership failure

6. trump thinks Covid magically disappeared

Starts ignoring covid crisis

Holds rallies were persons became infected d/t their idiocy to follow dumb Donald.

Dumb Donald Governor's kissing Trump's ass and dropping the ball now have new crisis covid growing

Trump's response, let's go golfing this will magically disappear.

It's China and Democrat Governors fault anyways.


By attacking sensationalizing and speaking out totally missed why prudent Americans were speaking out and sensationalizing.

Covid reeked havoc severely impacted people's lives, while Trump reeked chaos

Americans not blinded by Trump devotion syndrome were crying out for cohesive leadership inorder to mitigate covid.

Save lived ones lives, save jobs, get back to normalcy.

What we were witnessing was a unprepared leader, who lacked any real leadership ability.

Screwing things up and unwilling to step aside do to his narcacism and let the qualified officials lead America out of crisis.

Yeah we spoke out, at first to knock some sense into Trump's head, so he could do the right thing.

First, the ongoing speaking out is because States are still in crisis and dumb Donald is holding rallies and golfing

Secondly, many Americans do not want to experience another crisis with Trump at the helm.
 
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LosAngelesAngel said:
~ None of this has to do with facts about COVID-19. It's about sensationalizing the topic and getting people outrageously worked up over the issue -- then finding a way to "blame Trump". This is what the Democrats propaganda arm does constantly with the media helping. They will continue to do as long as they can.
Sad ...
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George Bush sensationalized the topic of terrorism and one of the results was that many americans saw a terrorist around every corner and behind every tree.

Fauci and the Dems have sensationalized and practiced terrorizing the masses, and the result is that many americans see a virus around every corner and behind every tree.

In both cases the herd mentality took over.
 
marke said:
...in hopes of stopping a widespread virus from killing a few more this month than it did last month...
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does anyone actually listen to this guy? it's just lie after lie after lie.
 
independentusa said:
It was not the dems that tried to minimize religion's influence on our country, it was our forefathers who wrote the constitution. Maybe before you write crap you should take a history course that includes the history of the constitution. Many of the people came to this country because they were persecuted for their particular form of religion in the country the came from. In many countries including England you could be hung for belonging to the wrong religion. So they absolutely wanted to keep religion out of our government.
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American founders made provisions for protecting churches from government interference. They never intended to block Christian influence in the government.
 
Questerr said:
So when America grew and thrived while engaging in slavery and genocide, did God hate us then? Were America's blessings from Satan instead?

Also, are you trying to argue Haiti was established on principle of Marxism? Karl Marx would be very surprised to find out Marxism existed in 1804, 44 years before the Communist Manifesto was written.
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Lots of things in America then and now displease God. Abuses of slavery was one thing. Killing babies in the womb is another. And yet God has blessed America inasmuch as Americans have honored God in spite of the sins of some.
 
marke said:
Lots of things in America then and now displease God. Abuses of slavery was one thing. Killing babies in the womb is another. And yet God has blessed America inasmuch as Americans have honored God in spite of the sins of some.
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OMFG

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get a grip
 
Sand Castle said:
Trump and Covid: The reality is, many Americans see through the fraud of a Presidency and speak up.

By attacking sensationalizing and speaking out totally missed why prudent Americans were speaking out and sensationalizing.

Covid reeked havoc severely impacted people's lives, while Trump reeked chaos

Americans not blinded by Trump devotion syndrome were crying out for cohesive leadership inorder to mitigate covid.

Save lived ones lives, save jobs, get back to normalcy.

What we were witnessing was a unprepared leader, who lacked any real leadership ability.

Screwing things up and unwilling to step aside do to his narcacism and let the qualified officials lead America out of crisis.

Yeah we spoke out, at first to knock some sense into Trump's head, so he could do the right thing.

First, the ongoing speaking out is because States are still in crisis and dumb Donald is holding rallies and golfing

Secondly, many Americans do not want to experience another crisis with Trump at the helm.
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Democrats have come out in force in many cities to support democrat rules mandating the shutdown of businesses and churches and measures designed to suppress the economy.

BLM prtests2.webp
 
marke said:
American founders made provisions for protecting churches from government interference. They never intended to block Christian influence in the government.
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They wanted NO religion to have an influence on our government, NONE. If you ever read anything by the founders you would know that. Yes, they were religious people in the main, but they were worried that one religion or the other would take control. To give yo an idea about what I am talking, many Protestants do not believe the Catholic religion is a Christian religion and yet something like 35 percent of Americans are connected to that religion. Until Kennedy came along, most Americans would not vote for a Catholic as they thought that the Catholic would take their orders from the Pope. So this country was built on the idea tht we would keep religion out of politics, but of course, trumpsters can not understand that .
 
independentusa said:
They wanted NO religion to have an influence on our government, NONE. If you ever read anything by the founders you would know that. Yes, they were religious people in the main, but they were worried that one religion or the other would take control. To give yo an idea about what I am talking, many Protestants do not believe the Catholic religion is a Christian religion and yet something like 35 percent of Americans are connected to that religion. Until Kennedy came along, most Americans would not vote for a Catholic as they thought that the Catholic would take their orders from the Pope. So this country was built on the idea tht we would keep religion out of politics, but of course, trumpsters can not understand that .
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Something like, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", you mean? That language that starts the 1st Amendment? Just because the Supreme Court ignores it, doesn't mean we all should.
 
2distracted said:
Sorry, but the libs are being, as always, irrational and worse, political...

I am 99 percent sure that the percentage who don't survive is even much lower than 4 percent... But I am using the lib,s figures

There have been tests on healthy ppl that show antibodies to the virus in something like 20 percent of those tested which means they had the virus and recovered before they even knew they had it...which means it is closer to half of a percent...not 4 or 5 percent who die

Elite dems couldn't care less if the economy goes into the ditch as the result ofc them instilling and propogating fear over this virus..

In fact, I say they want the economy to be as bad as possible so Trump looks bad

.Politics rules with these idiots
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So I guess overloading the hospitals with sick people is OK with you because people will recover. My trash was not picked up for 2 weeks because over 1/2 the workers were sick. I guess that’s OK with you too
 
Thoreau72 said:
EMF can cause radiation. Radiation is harmful to biological creatures.
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You do realize that radiation has to be above a certain threshold and of a certain type to hurt humans, right? Radio towers do not produce those types of radiation in significant quantities. You’d have to be cuddling with a 5G tower’s microwave horn to get that kind of damage.
 
Citizen said:
So I guess overloading the hospitals with sick people is OK with you because people will recover. My trash was not picked up for 2 weeks because over 1/2 the workers were sick. I guess that’s OK with you too
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The stupidity of these people who think we will just live with it can not be overstated. Yes most will recover, but many only somewhat. Many will have lung, heart, circulation , neurological and physical problems that will last for a long time and some even for a life time. And who will pay for them, we will. This virus is not only a killer but a wounder, kind of like being shot. You may die from being shot, you may fully recover or you may end up with problems that last a lifetime and this virus is the same.
 
The premises of the OP are all false. First, we didn't "shut down", ever - we reduced commerce, significantly, but never completely (grocery stores stayed open, the shelves remained substantially, factories continued to produce, hospitals remained open). Much of the impact has been the result of the outbreak itself, and most of it in "luxury" markets (travel, entertainment). Second, 96% may "survive" but that was never what the restrictions were about.

We're in the midst of a pandemic. The SARS-COV-2 virus is particularly virulent - transmissible+deadly. We know from past experience what that combination means when it becomes widespread (see 1918). The effort was to slow the virus spread, by known means, to allow hospitals to avoid being overwhelmed, and give the system (medicine, pharmacy) time to figure out a treatment/cure. The idiots at the top and their sycophantic followers refuse/d to understand that. They make excuses, downplay the threat, and idioticize policy, then ignore it anyway.

It may not be rocket science, but it is science: Masks reduce spread by at least 70%. Social distancing even more. Handwashing even more. LIMITING contacts reduces the opportunity for the virus to be transmitted, and allows contact tracing. This is all common sense (which is probably why Trump acolytes can't follow it). There are smart ways to accomplish a return to normal commerce, and stupid ways.
 
independentusa said:
They wanted NO religion to have an influence on our government, NONE. If you ever read anything by the founders you would know that. Yes, they were religious people in the main, but they were worried that one religion or the other would take control.
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I realize that you are likely not going to be able to accept this, but, for the benefit of the group, respectfully, you are conflating two items that are dissimilar. The Founders absolutely did not want a national church that would steer policy, impose a religious test, or anything of the sort; they were, however, not only fine with religious influence on the government via the voters and men of good character elected to senior positions, they expected it, and, to varying degrees, seem to have thought that the experiment depended on it.

John Adams was perhaps one of the most explicit:

John Adams said:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
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but he was hardly the only one of them to voice that sort of sentiment.

On, perhaps, the opposite of the spectrum of the founders was Thomas Jefferson, who, it is worth noting, argued that the center of the American argument (inalienable individual rights) were located in a Theological one - that they were the loving gift of a Divine Creator. His "Wall of Separation" was a letter to Baptists (then a commonly persecuted minority) that their rights to influence their world - including their government - could not be gainsaid by that government.

Jefferson saw a far more restricted role for that influence in terms of institutions than most founders, but he was no proponent of an atheist government. Heck, other Founders kept State Churches, which would seem rather directly and completely to contradict what you are arguing here.
 
cpwill said:
I realize that you are likely not going to be able to accept this, but, for the benefit of the group, respectfully, you are conflating two items that are dissimilar. The Founders absolutely did not want a national church that would steer policy, impose a religious test, or anything of the sort; they were, however, not only fine with religious influence on the government via the voters and men of good character elected to senior positions, they expected it, and, to varying degrees, seem to have thought that the experiment depended on it.

John Adams was perhaps one of the most explicit:



but he was hardly the only one of them to voice that sort of sentiment.

On, perhaps, the opposite of the spectrum of the founders was Thomas Jefferson, who, it is worth noting, argued that the center of the American argument (inalienable individual rights) were located in a Theological one - that they were the loving gift of a Divine Creator. His "Wall of Separation" was a letter to Baptists (then a commonly persecuted minority) that their rights to influence their world - including their government - could not be gainsaid by that government.

Jefferson saw a far more restricted role for that influence in terms of institutions than most founders, but he was no proponent of an atheist government. Heck, other Founders kept State Churches, which would seem rather directly and completely to contradict what you are arguing here.
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I have a thorough response to those claims, but this is not the thread for it. I posted earlier before I realized what thread we were in.
 
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