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Why Registration Is Bad

CLAX1911 said:
Yes recovery of stolen fire arms. But that's not necessary. There are serial numbers on fire arms they are unique. Thus of you know the serial number of your fire arm of out turns up it can be recovered.
One link is caterwalling about gun manufactures finding the NRA. Oh dear Lord save us all from evil corporations funding our citizen based organizations from defending the interest of our citizens.

The other link is some fiction about NRA being a shadow government that can rewrite the constitution at its whim.

You haven't made a valid argument for registration. Your huey about local serial numbers is laughable. And your conspiracy theories are pathetic.
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Both articles are quite credible; you just don't like them. Secondly, if your gun winds up in another state, it won't be traced back to you because it's not on a national registry that says that you own it. So when it's found or confiscated because of criminal activity there's no way of knowing where it came from. And when did I say "Local; serial number"? What I said was, your serial number will only be known locally when you report it missing to your local police station: you're over looking the obvious.
 
DebateChallenge said:
This is why registration is bad. When you have to register the guns you own the government knows who has what and the government really has no business having that information. Registration leads to confiscation. Lets say they ban a certain type of gun, lets say they ban handguns, that way they will know whose got what handguns and they will be able to go around and confiscate them all. Lets say the ban all guns, same thing, they will know where to go and who to take the guns from, so that's why registration is bad.
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The whole point of registration should be, so you can keep your guns. The Government knows which guns are Yours.
 
jet57 said:
Both articles are quite credible; you just don't like them. Secondly, if your gun winds up in another state, it won't be traced back to you because it's not on a national registry that says that you own it. So when it's found or confiscated because of criminal activity there's no way of knowing where it came from.
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Dead wrong there is a serial number and a manufacturer. With that they can find out what dealer sold it by calling the manufacturer.

And when did I say "Local; serial number"?
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You seem to think locale has any bearing on whether or not the manufacturer and dealer recorded serial numbers and who they sold it to.

What I said was, your serial number will only be known locally when you report it missing to your local police station: you're over looking the obvious.
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This is a stupid argument. If the police recover a fire arm they can call the manufacturer and obtain the chain of custody. How far away the agency is from the end purchaser has Absolutly no bearing on that.
 
danielpalos said:
The whole point of registration should be, so you can keep your guns.
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That has got to bee one of the dumbest statements I have read on the subject. People have been able to keep their guns for 250 years without a registration.

The Government knows which guns are Yours.
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What value is that?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Dead wrong there is a serial number and a manufacturer. With that they can find out what dealer sold it by calling the manufacturer.

You seem to think locale has any bearing on whether or not the manufacturer and dealer recorded serial numbers and who they sold it to.

This is a stupid argument. If the police recover a fire arm they can call the manufacturer and obtain the chain of custody. How far away the agency is from the end purchaser has Absolutly no bearing on that.
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Again, you missed the point completely: they no going to do that. They're going to check the registry and if it's not listed the gun's gonna get melted down. If the trace it to the manufacturer and then to the dealer and then to you, the feds are gonna know you had it anyway, so why not just save everybody the time and trouble and register it to begin with so that you get it back?

As for locale, you're either being obtuse or intentionally misrepresenting what I've said. And actually, it's your argument that is stupid.
 
jet57 said:
Again, you missed the point completely: they no going to do that.
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That's a lie. Yes they do do that.

They're going to check the registry and if it's not listed the gun's gonna get melted down.
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What registry? No you're full of it. They are going to find out how that gun came to be in the hands of a criminal.

If the trace it to the manufacturer and then to the dealer and then to you, the feds are gonna know you had it anyway, so why not just save everybody the time and trouble and register it to begin with so that you get it back?
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So much wrong here. First the manufacture knowing who they sold the gun to doesn't translate to the government knowing. So that's a dumb statement. Second there is no trouble to save.

As for locale, you're either being obtuse or intentionally misrepresenting what I've said.
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No I understand it, its just wrong.
And actually, it's your argument that is stupid.
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My argument is that we don't need a registry to recover fire arms. Despise all your ignorance we still don't need it. So calling my argument stupid because you don't agree with it and the clap trap you make up is not believable is immature and intellectually dishonest.
 
vegas giants said:
But you do not have to ask.....how can you not see this?
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No, you don't. However the risk of being investigated for most law abiding sellers is enough to verify the eligibility of the potential customer.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That has got to bee one of the dumbest statements I have read on the subject. People have been able to keep their guns for 250 years without a registration.

What value is that?
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sounds like the crap we used to hear during Nam-"we had to destroy a village to save it"

sounds like Orwell on an acid trip!
 
jet57 said:
Again, you missed the point completely: they no going to do that. They're going to check the registry and if it's not listed the gun's gonna get melted down. If the trace it to the manufacturer and then to the dealer and then to you, the feds are gonna know you had it anyway, so why not just save everybody the time and trouble and register it to begin with so that you get it back?

As for locale, you're either being obtuse or intentionally misrepresenting what I've said. And actually, it's your argument that is stupid.
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I have a better idea-if my gun is stolen, then I call or meet with the police and show them the serial number (or in my case, the empty box and ID the seller so the cops can ascertain that I did fill out the 4473) the gun then goes on a list of stolen firearms with the owner identified. if the gun is found then I might get it back. It has all the "advantages" of registration and NONE of the bannerrhoid disadvantages.

now the one place where prior registration MIGHT help is if the gun is stolen and found by the cops before you know its stolen. but the downside is far worse
 
danielpalos said:
Proof of ownership.

It is of value, if your Arms are stolen.
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that's easy to do-you go to the dealer and get a copy of the 4473 or the receipt. Every gun store I buy from always puts the Serial number of the weapon I purchase on it
 
TurtleDude said:
that's easy to do-you go to the dealer and get a copy of the 4473 or the receipt. Every gun store I buy from always puts the Serial number of the weapon I purchase on it
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the point is, posse comitatus is the common law and we have a Second Amendment, and should have, no security problems in our free States.
 
danielpalos said:
the point is, posse comitatus is the common law and we have a Second Amendment, and should have, no security problems in our free States.
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why do you clutter up this and other threads with completely non-responsive, irrelevant garbage.
 
danielpalos said:
yes, it does. a posse registration and militia enrollment, is what we need; not, alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror, that right wing refuses to pay for with appropriate tax rates.
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more program generated spam that has nothing to do with this thread
 
CLAX1911 said:
What?
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its unbelievable psychobabble. ITs like shaking one of those toys I had as a kid-it was called the Magic Eight ball. You'd shake it after asking a question and a stock
answer would appear, Most times it had nothing to do with the question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

the stuff we get from danielpalos is about the same.
 
TurtleDude said:
its unbelievable psychobabble. ITs like shaking one of those toys I had as a kid-it was called the Magic Eight ball. You'd shake it after asking a question and a stock
answer would appear, Most times it had nothing to do with the question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball

the stuff we get from danielpalos is about the same.
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Well said

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