Why Registration Is Bad

[vegas giants]

Yep.. despite the stringent gun control laws.. that you claim "work".

That is simply priceless.

Number one vehicle used is traffic accidents is cars despite all the traffic laws. LOL

 

[longview]

What???? Did you actually post that? Holy cow!

I guess no traffic laws work because everyone is not following the laws. In fact no laws work. That is freaking hilarious.!

Divine female bovines aside, please show how gun control laws in developed countries stop criminals
from using guns?

 

[jaeger19]

That is simply priceless.

Number one vehicle used is traffic accidents is cars despite all the traffic laws. LOL

Nope..

There are actually more legal shotguns and rifles in Canada than handguns. they are much more readily available AND there is much less restriction on them.. Yet.. despite having severe handgun laws and handgun registration... criminals are using handguns.

Again.. facts are not on your side.

 

[vegas giants]

Divine female bovines aside, please show how gun control laws in developed countries stop criminals
from using guns?

There are far fewer gun crimes. Duh.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope..

There are actually more legal shotguns and rifles in Canada than handguns. they are much more readily available AND there is much less restriction on them.. Yet.. despite having severe handgun laws and handgun registration... criminals are using handguns.

Again.. facts are not on your side.

So you are against all gun regulation....is that correct? It doesn't work at all.....right?

 

[Dittohead not!]

That's not what you said though:



Okay.. but lets take this background check thing again.. first.. without registration it doesn't work.. and the minute I file off the serial number.. its moot anyway.

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First.. gun violence is an invalid statistic. Using "gun violence".. is an attempt by anti gun people to skew the science. However, start comparing Canada. which has much laxer gun laws than great Britain and many other countries that have much stricter gun control.. and what do you find? Wide variations in violence regardless of their gun control. Heck.. Mexico has stringent gun control.. and is way more violent than the US.

And before you say.. but but but.. Mexico has a different culture, corruption, economy... yep.. exactly.. which shows that those things have a much greater effect on violent crime than gun control. IF gun control has a strong effect on crime.. then countries with stringent gun control like mexico.. should have way much less violent crime than countries like the US.

It's true that there are lots of factors that determine how much gun violence there is. Simply banning certain types of guns isn't going to address those issues, but keeping guns out of the hands of people who are prone to violence would help. That's why background checks are a good idea.

You say background checks don't work without registration. If that's so, then registration is necessary to have any chance of keeping guns out of the hands of people who are prone to violence.

 

[Dittohead not!]

So then you create a law that encourages law abiding people to do something illegal to protect themselves: sell the gun without paper work and then report it stolen or lost.

How about just not selling a gun to someone who can't pass a background check? Seems to me like a good idea.

 

[Lursa]

How about just not selling a gun to someone who can't pass a background check? Seems to me like a good idea.

They cost money. THey require strangers exchanging personal information, including sometimes SSNs.

In my state, this law means that you cannot even LOAN your gun to someone outside your family, like if you were at the range practicing together. We've had museums give back firearms collections that were on loan.

It's bull**** and in the end, punishes those that follow the law and means nothing to those that wont.

 

[longview]

There are far fewer gun crimes. Duh.

We are drifting off topic, myself included, the topic is about gun registration, and if it is bad.
I think because of the nature of people like yourself, I think it would be dangerous for the Government
to have a list of all the legal gun owners in the US.

 

[Dittohead not!]

They cost money. THey require strangers exchanging personal information, including sometimes SSNs.

In my state, this law means that you cannot even LOAN your gun to someone outside your family, like if you were at the range practicing together. We've had museums give back firearms collections that were on loan.

It's bull**** and in the end, punishes those that follow the law and means nothing to those that wont.

You do have a point there. Once a person has passed a background check, he should have a license he could show any seller of guns. Get a license, and you can buy a gun from anyone.

 

[vegas giants]

We are drifting off topic, myself included, the topic is about gun registration, and if it is bad.
I think because of the nature of people like yourself, I think it would be dangerous for the Government
to have a list of all the legal gun owners in the US.

You are currently on a hundred lists the government has and in the past they have used such lists to round up americans and put them in camps. Yet you never complain about those lists

 

[longview]

You are currently on a hundred lists the government has and in the past they have used such lists to round up americans and put them in camps. Yet you never complain about those lists

There is seldom a good reason to allow Government more control over our lives.
Gun registration is no exception. There are people among us who would gladly ignore the second amendment,
and confiscate all guns. We should not ease their path.

 

[vegas giants]

There is seldom a good reason to allow Government more control over our lives.
Gun registration is no exception. There are people among us who would gladly ignore the second amendment,
and confiscate all guns. We should not ease their path.

I don't dispute that what you say is a real risk and I am sure some confiscations would probably take place at some time. I would hope they would always be well justified but I also don't have blind faith in government. I just see this as a necessary evil if we want to stop the tide of gun deaths in this country.

 

[longview]

I don't dispute that what you say is a real risk and I am sure some confiscations would probably take place at some time. I would hope they would always be well justified but I also don't have blind faith in government. I just see this as a necessary evil if we want to stop the tide of gun deaths in this country.

Do you remember when a black ACLU lawyer defended the KKK's right to not release their membership list?
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/10/news/a-klansman-s-black-lawyer-and-a-principle.html
I have to tell you, that they did not do so because they agree on political issues.
They did so because the release of the list would set a dangerous precedent.
You are free to continue to believe Gun registration would somehow limit gun crime, but I
view Gun registration as a dangerous precedent, which would have little to no effect on gun violence.

 

[vegas giants]

Do you remember when a black ACLU lawyer defended the KKK's right to not release their membership list?
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/10/news/a-klansman-s-black-lawyer-and-a-principle.html
I have to tell you, that they did not do so because they agree on political issues.
They did so because the release of the list would set a dangerous precedent.
You are free to continue to believe Gun registration would somehow limit gun crime, but I
view Gun registration as a dangerous precedent, which would have little to no effect on gun violence.

Registration is used all over the world in places wher lots of people own lots of guns. Playing to the worst case scenario is no excuse not to do what needs to be done to reduce gun violence. Doing nothing is near criminal and thoughts and prayers are not enough

 

[longview]

Registration is used all over the world in places wher lots of people own lots of guns. Playing to the worst case scenario is no excuse not to do what needs to be done to reduce gun violence. Doing nothing is near criminal and thoughts and prayers are not enough

So talk through how you think registering legal gun owners would reduce gun violence?
What gun violence would have been prevented?

 

[vegas giants]

So talk through how you think registering legal gun owners would reduce gun violence?
What gun violence would have been prevented?

Straw sales will be reduced and it will be harder for criminals to get guns. Not impossible ...just harder. Sell a gun to a criminal and now we will know. It won't happen overnight but it will happen

 

[longview]

Straw sales will be reduced and it will be harder for criminals to get guns. Not impossible ...just harder. Sell a gun to a criminal and now we will know. It won't happen overnight but it will happen

Most Criminals do not buy guns from legal gun owners, they buy guns that were stolen.
Also you neglected to mention what gun violence would have been prevented.

 

[vegas giants]

Most Criminals do not buy guns from legal gun owners, they buy guns that were stolen.
Also you neglected to mention what gun violence would have been prevented.

Less criminals with guns gives them less opportunities to use them in crimes. All kinds of violence will be reduced and is in countries with effective gun control. This stuff works in every developed country on the planet. The evidence is in. What we have now is a huge failure. Time for a change

 

[longview]

Less criminals with guns gives them less opportunities to use them in crimes. All kinds of violence will be reduced and is in countries with effective gun control. This stuff works in every developed country on the planet. The evidence is in. What we have now is a huge failure. Time for a change

Enough of the esoteric ideas, point to an example of how gun registration of legal gun owners,
would have stopped a particular instance of gun violence.

 

[Casper]

Less criminals with guns gives them less opportunities to use them in crimes. All kinds of violence will be reduced and is in countries with effective gun control. This stuff works in every developed country on the planet. The evidence is in. What we have now is a huge failure. Time for a change

Nope, you did not answer the question, Registration will not keep criminals from getting guns, not to mention that there is no way to enforce it on private sales and few current owners would register those they already own. Your argument is so full of holes that resembles Swiss cheese.

 

[vegas giants]

Nope, you did not answer the question, Registration will not keep criminals from getting guns, not to mention that there is no way to enforce it on private sales and few current owners would register those they already own. Your argument is so full of holes that resembles Swiss cheese.

It works all over the developed world, even in some places in the US. You don't have to believe it

 

[Casper]

It works all over the developed world, even in some places in the US. You don't have to believe it

The rest of the world does not matter when it comes to firearm ownership in the US. What works for a few does not equate to working for all. Try Registration Nation wide and you will see that most gun owners are not sheep.

 

[vegas giants]

The rest of the world does not matter when it comes to firearm ownership in the US. What works for a few does not equate to working for all. Try Registration Nation wide and you will see that most gun owners are not sheep.

Thank you for your opinion

 

[Casper]

Thank you for your opinion

You're Welcome, hopefully you learned something, this time.