Why Registration Is Bad

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REGISTRATION and CONFISCATION is also happening in Deerfield, IL and legally takes effect in June of this year.
This is not a ban. It is complete CONFISCATION of firearms their owners previously purchased legally.
They must turn them in or be fined and thrown in jail.

Yes I've already pointed out how its happening in Deerfield, IL in post #41.

 

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I have always contended gun banners are a HATE GROUP.
Just listen to them and how they talk about us.

An uneducated hate group. Gun banners lack an education.

 

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I personally feel like the black belt in a bar listening to some drunk cuss away at them.
OK, cuss away if it makes you feel good.
I know what i am capable of, and right now, NO. I just want to sip my beer....having nothing to prove by taking down some loud mouthed drunk.

We all know what we can physically do with our firearms, and are confident in that knowledge.
We also vote and KNOW we are in the majority.
I think that is why we are not very violent.
To me at least, shooting and reloading is relaxing. Nothing "violent" about it.
So let the drunken fools puff their chests and strut.
We all know they are just fluff and know nothing about the subject.

The problem is when the drunken fools vote people just like them into office.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Even cops, probably the best trained in firearm safety, sometimes shoot themselves or an unintended victim.

On the contrary mandatory firearm training for police officers is quite marginal. There is so much you have to know to be a police officer so most of your training will be on other stuff. In the academy only two weeks are devoted to firearms training. A good shooting school could teach you more than what most police officers are taught on firearms training. There are police officers out there who should not be trusted with guns just as there are police officers out there who should not be trusted behind the wheel.

 

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That the >1% of cars that don't use public roads don't have to be registered in some states is irrelevant. Cars not on public roads are not a danger to the public and don't have to pay road taxes.

Alright than you can say that most personally owned guns are not carried in public. I can see why some people might want carry guns to be registered but for somebody to own a gun that they just keep at their house there is no reason to have to register that.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Exactly right. Were guns registered, it would be much easier to get them out of the hands of criminals. That's the point. It would also be easier to solve crimes involving guns, as the origin of the gun could be traced.

Criminals aren't going to use registered guns. Considering that criminals get guns illegally they obviously aren't going to register them and they obviously will not comply with any mandatory registrations, so requiring guns to be registered will not help towards getting them out of the hands of criminals.

I'm not sure just why the "they're a comin' to get our guns!" paranoia that led to a boom in sales when Obama was elected didn't happen so much when Clinton was elected.

Good question.

I do know that Obama did not, in fact, come to get anyone's guns.

No he didn't. That's what Clinton did, or tried to do, during his administration.

Personally, I'd be more afraid of a guy like Trump deciding to confiscate weapons. There's no telling just what he might do next.

Trump is not going to confiscate weapons. He is for gun rights. If anything, he wants more people to be armed such as school teachers because as he points out, shooters target gun free zones such as schools because they know bullets won't be flying back at them. As for confiscating weapons, that's what Hillary would've done had she gotten in, she would've been worse than Bill, it would've been an absolute nightmare had she gotten in, thank the Lord she didn't.

 

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Responsible gun owners should have no problem taking responsibility for the effects of their hobby on others.

Effects of their hobby on others? All responsible gun owners practice their hobby safely so that it doesn't have any negative effect on others.

 

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You push gun control because you don't like how the candidates supporting gun rights often vote on gay rights issues.

How do candidates supporting gun rights vote on gay rights? I don't know of any connection between gun rights and gay rights although supposedly there has been an increase in firearm ownership and training among gays following the Pulse Club Orlando shooting.

 

[vegas giants]

An uneducated hate group. Gun banners lack an education.

Yes give in to your hate......feel the power of the dark side.

 

[vegas giants]

ya by choosing who gets a gun. Which in a liberal world that would be no one


Can’t censor this Patriot

I think we should choose who gets a gun. I think we should not give a gun to the felon who just got out of jail for armed robbery. I think we should give a gun to the law abiding citizen who knows how to use it.

But hey.....that's just me.

 

[jamesrage]

Fears of the government coming to get our guns are overblown, and serve only to motivate people to stock up.

I find it amusing how 2nd amendment opponents can spew that line while at the same time calling for a ban on semiautomatic firearms under the guise of an assault weapons ban and praising the gun control laws of Australia and the UK.

Look at what happened to the arms market in the US when Obama was elected and his detractors were sure he was going to try to confiscate arms.

When anti-2nd amendment trash are calling for bans on certain types of firearms the 2nd amendment advocates tend to believe them.

 

[Chillfolks]

An uneducated hate group. Gun banners lack an education.

Many are extremely smart. I share in there goal of reducing gun violence. I disagree with their methods, ideology, and reasoning behind their stance. But it's not fair to say they are uneducated. They simply place their fear on the object and banning it will make them feel safer. The same way many of us feel safer knowing we have a gun

 

[vegas giants]

Many are extremely smart. I share in there goal of reducing gun violence. I disagree with their methods, ideology, and reasoning behind their stance. But it's not fair to say they are uneducated. They simply place their fear on the object and banning it will make them feel safer. The same way many of us feel safer knowing we have a gun

You will get kicked out of the empire forces for such compassion for the rebel alliance

 

[Skeptic Bob]

I’m against banning any types of guns that are currently legal. But I am even more against registration.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Yes give in to your hate......feel the power of the dark side.

Im only stating what's often the truth.

 

[vegas giants]

Im only stating what's often the truth.

Yes....your hate fuels you. You will make a fine sith lord.

 

[DebateChallenge]

I think we should choose who gets a gun. I think we should not give a gun to the felon who just got out of jail for armed robbery. I think we should give a gun to the law abiding citizen who knows how to use it.

But hey.....that's just me.

Then by your standards I should be able to get guns.

 

[vegas giants]

Then by your standards I should be able to get guns.

I will assume you are law abiding. So yes. In fact under my system any gun you want. You will have to be licensed, registered and trained....but any gun you want

 

[DebateChallenge]

Many are extremely smart. I share in there goal of reducing gun violence. I disagree with their methods, ideology, and reasoning behind their stance. But it's not fair to say they are uneducated. They simply place their fear on the object and banning it will make them feel safer. The same way many of us feel safer knowing we have a gun

Just because a person is smart doesn't mean they're well educated. I've got a friend who never finished high school yet he's very smart. His position on gun control I don't know as we don't talk about such stuff.

As for reducing gun violence I believe that's what we all want to do, but let me as you this, is gun violence somehow worse than other kinds of violence?

 

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I find it amusing how 2nd amendment opponents can spew that line while at the same time calling for a ban on semiautomatic firearms under the guise of an assault weapons ban and praising the gun control laws of Australia and the UK.

Yes and speaking of the UK, I would like to point out, to pro gun and anti gun people alike, we don't want to be like the UK. We don't want to follow their example. After all, we beat them in the Revolutionary War, we gained our independence from them. If you've studied American history which you would've if you've been through school you would know that. We beat them through force of arms. That being said we don't want to be like them and we certainly don't want to follow their example of arms control.

 

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I will assume you are law abiding. So yes. In fact under my system any gun you want. You will have to be licensed, registered and trained....but any gun you want

Sounds like you equate getting a gun with being able to legally drive.

 

[vegas giants]

Sounds like you equate getting a gun with being able to legally drive.

They are separate issues but share some common elements. Both can kill people, require training and can be used in the commission of crimes

 

[DebateChallenge]

They are separate issues but share some common elements. Both can kill people, require training and can be used in the commission of crimes

Here is the difference, driving is not a right it is a privilege. The difference between a right and a privilege is that with a privilege you have to meet certain requirements to be allowed to do it. Also, a privilege can be taken away if certain standards are not maintained. That's how it is with driving, you have to get a driver's license which requires a certain amount of training and passing a test. Any car you drive on public roads has to be registered. And if you fail to meet certain standards such as if you get too many moving violations or if you drink and drive you can have your driver's license and driving privilege taken away.

Owning guns on the other hand is not a privilege its a right as defined by the Constitution. So that is the problem with what you suggest, it would make gun ownership into a privilege not a right and would thus be unconstitutional.

 

[vegas giants]

Here is the difference, driving is not a right it is a privilege. The difference between a right and a privilege is that with a privilege you have to meet certain requirements to be allowed to do it. Also, a privilege can be taken away if certain standards are not maintained. That's how it is with driving, you have to get a driver's license which requires a certain amount of training and passing a test. Any car you drive on public roads has to be registered. And if you fail to meet certain standards such as if you get too many moving violations or if you drink and drive you can have your driver's license and driving privilege taken away.

Owning guns on the other hand is not a privilege its a right as defined by the Constitution. So that is the problem with what you suggest, it would make gun ownership into a privilege not a right and would thus be unconstitutional.

I never said driving was a right. Voting is a right and you need to be registered. You have the right to publish a newspaper but it has to have a business license. We regulate rights all the time. This is an old argument

 

[Dittohead not!]

Alright than you can say that most personally owned guns are not carried in public. I can see why some people might want carry guns to be registered but for somebody to own a gun that they just keep at their house there is no reason to have to register that.

Unless and until it is stolen.