Why not adoption/foster care?

[Mashmont]

And what better way to create fatherless kids than to force women to bear a child whose father isn't going to stick around. The fact is conservative Christians with morally simplistic beliefs create more criminals then any other group of people.

Parent/child relationships
Children whose parents did not want children are more likely to commit crimes. Statistical correlations of criminal behaviour - Wikipedia

No, the entire problem is the permissive society created by the LEFT and echoed by the leftwing atheists in here which says sex outside marriage is fine and dandy. Fact: 83% of abortions are had by unmarried women (who by definition aren't even entitled to have sex).

You leftwingers always ignore the most obvious problem. Just like with the so-called AIDS epidemic. We could stop AIDS dead in its tracks and it wouldn't cost us a dime. NO GAY SEX. NO SEX OUTSIDE OF A HETERO MARRIAGE. But, no, we have to spend billions of dollars looking for a way to allow the immoral acts to keep going on.

 

[Mashmont]

Lursa is far, far more credible than any anti choicer here.

Well, except she's been 100% wrong on everything so far, just like you have. But what else would we expect? Atheism is built on lies.

 

[Mashmont]

I am not an atheist. Stop lying about me.

Maybe if you'd get a few of the Christian beliefs correct, the room might believe you.

 

[Mashmont]

So, provide a citation of me saying it or retract.

Don't keep repeating the same stupid stuff. It's not my problem if you can't comprehend what you read.

 

[Lursa]

Because the Constitution already has language that places the rights of the born above the rights of the unborn. SCOTUS cannot change the constitution, only rule on laws based on what the constitution says. It would first require an amendment to remove the language that places the rights of the born above those of the unborn.

The unborn have no rights. No laws would be legal that would supersede women's Const. rights.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Nobody cares about your silly stories.

Esp. the ones that prove yours are wrong, eh? :lamo

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

I don't care what an atheist like you believes.

So...this is what you've been reduced to? Over and over just 'nah huh'? You have no discussion, no sources, no facts, and no idea what you are talking about.

Can you continue a discussion (on a discussion forum :roll or not? Just pretending everyone else is wrong is not discussion...it's your personal fantasy.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

So far you haven't gotten anything right about the tenets of Christianity. You have zero credibility. The forum doesn't believe believe anything you say.

LOLOLOL

There is no 'we' involved, it's only you.

And you dont have any credibility.


Those indoctrinated into cults are not known for independent thinking.

:2bow:

 

[Lursa]

Nobody cares about your opinions. They are baseless. If you have facts, bring them on. You don't.

They arent my opinions. I just gave you facts. This is a discussion...now you prove me wrong.

If they are baseless...prove it. :mrgreen:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Well, except she's been 100% wrong on everything so far, just like you have. But what else would we expect? Atheism is built on lies.

And you have been unable to prove that over and over and over.

So you apparently have a 100% failure rate :mrgreen:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Jredbaron96]

Moderator's Warning:

Stick to the topic at hand and stop with the personal insults.

 

[OceanBlues1]

I think your argument is still a poor one. The only "consequences" of using reliable birth control is that more often than not, it prevents unwanted pregnancy, and by extension, prevents abortion as well. I call that a highly positive outcome of using BC, which is why women who don't want to get pregnant use it. They don't want to have to get an abortion either.

IMO the only ones saying stuff like "birth control is immoral" are those who want women totally controlled, either by the church or the state. Otherwise, they would support the use of birth control as an effective way of preventing abortion other than banning it.

Well said!

Thanks. To me, birth control is one of the best gifts to women ever, no matter what religious fanatics believe.

 

[OceanBlues1]

Sex without commitment conveys the lesson that women are only to be used for sex and not respected for anything else. It objectifies them. Why do you leftwingers, particularly women think other women should be treated as objects and unworthy of respect or commitment?

Again, that's in your mind only. It's a belief, not a fact. I have a better question. Why do you think women cannot -- or should not -- be able to make personal decisions about marriage and motherhood for themselves?

 

[weaver2]

How do people stay on topic and create a discussion when people like Mashmont keep interrupting , calling names, saying people are liars and the facts they post, are lies.

 

[maquiscat]

Nobody cares about your silly stories.

Since plenty of people on this site and others have indicated that they do, you are factually wrong. You might not, but who cares whether you do or not? The fact remains that I proved you wrong.....again.

 

[maquiscat]

I don't care what an atheist like you believes.

We don't care what an atheist like you believes either.

 

[maquiscat]

Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

Didn't put a single word into your mouth. That's what the word "seems" is for. It shows that you are leaving a given impression, whether that was your intent or not. I've not addressed your intent, only the impression you have left.

The fact remains, whether you leftwing atheists admit it or not, that fatherless kids more often become criminals than those who grew up with fathers. Deny that.

Support that. You have yet to support a single assertion in this thread.

 

[maquiscat]

Slavery was banned because it is immoral to keep a human in bondage. Abortion is not banned because it has nothing to do with immorality, persons or bondage. If intelligent men and women thought it needed to be banned in all 50 states is would be. Intelligent men and women don't think it needs banning. The opinions of theocrats are not intelligent, are anti-democratic, and bear a very close resemblance to slavery. Nobody wants them making laws for anybody. Also nobody wants theocratic sexual deviants making laws for people with a healthy attitude toward sex.

If the argument is made that morality is subjective, then this statement cannot be true. Are you asserting that morality is objective?

 

[maquiscat]

Intelligent men and women on the court will ultimate ban the killing of little children in the womb. Hideously evil laws always fall, and Roe v Wade will as well.

You have already, repeatedly, been proven wrong in that is court does not and can not work in this manner.

 

[maquiscat]

unmarried women (who by definition aren't even entitled to have sex).

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

You leftwingers always ignore the most obvious problem. Just like with the so-called AIDS epidemic. We could stop AIDS dead in its tracks and it wouldn't cost us a dime. NO GAY SEX. NO SEX OUTSIDE OF A HETERO MARRIAGE. But, no, we have to spend billions of dollars looking for a way to allow the immoral acts to keep going on.

And more evidence of your lack of education. I am beginning to think you are actually a clueless teenager given the nature of your arguments. ADIS/HIV spread in more ways than sex.

 

[maquiscat]

Maybe if you'd get a few of the Christian beliefs correct, the room might believe you.

The room does believe her. In case you haven't noticed, you are the one the room currently doesn't believe.

 

[maquiscat]

Don't keep repeating the same stupid stuff. It's not my problem if you can't comprehend what you read.

Pot, kettle.

 

[maquiscat]

So...this is what you've been reduced to? Over and over just 'nah huh'? You have no discussion, no sources, no facts, and no idea what you are talking about.

Can you continue a discussion (on a discussion forum :roll or not? Just pretending everyone else is wrong is not discussion...it's your personal fantasy.

I would have gone with delusion, myself.

 

[Mashmont]

The unborn have no rights. No laws would be legal that would supersede women's Const. rights.

Protecting the unborn’s lives does not place them ahead of the lives of the born. I stand up for the little children!

 

[Mashmont]

So...this is what you've been reduced to? Over and over just 'nah huh'? You have no discussion, no sources, no facts, and no idea what you are talking about.

Can you continue a discussion (on a discussion forum :roll or not? Just pretending everyone else is wrong is not discussion...it's your personal fantasy.

Pot meet kettle. This is exactly what you’re doing. You make inanely false statements over and over. No, the Bible does NOT endorse sex outside marriage. No, the Bible does NOT endorse abortion. Yes, God DOES prohibit immoral sexual behavior. Yes, the definition of children DOES include the unborn.