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WHY Is Trump So Seemingly Beholden to Putin & Russia?

Yep, definitely evidence that Trump is beholden to Russia. :roll: I wonder what giving them 20% of our uranium production capacity amounts to. Imagine for a second had Trump done that. Imagine if Trump cancelled the missile defense program the Russians were adamantly opposing. Sounds like only someone beholden to Putin would do those things.

They don't have 20% of our uranium capacity. The uranium cannot be exported. The deal was approved by man government agencies.

It's amusing that you need to use falsehoods to defend your indefensible position.
 
In my experience it seems anomalous for any POTUS to have such favorable views of Russia.
Going beyond having a favorable view of Russia now we have a POTUS that seems to hold in very high regard a former KGB asset.
This all seems rather bizarre so, what is really going on with Trump, Russia, and Putin?
It is no mystery that Donald Trump has numerous links to Russia & to Putin but why does Trump seem to be beholden to Putin & to Russian interests?

Throw your ideas out there, here.

My suspicion is that some significant portion of Trump's assets (or debts) are subject to the whims of Russians.
 
You're embarrassing yourself. You're trying to argue that Trump has been tough on Russia when any rational person knows that's not true. He was forced to enact sanctions. He's never said a single disparaging thing about Russia but has no problem insulting our allies.

You attempts at denying reality are laughable. I don't see any point is arguing with you since you're living in complete denial of reality.

Trump's advisers, his UN Secretary and Congress have all been tougher on Russia than Trump. And Trump is the only one who repeatedly claims to believe Putin. This is not the first time.

Give it a rest. Nobody but other Trump cult members are buying.

I see you steadfastly avoid discussing the gifts Obama bestowed on them. But that is because you revere Obama and have a psychotic hatred of Trump. Nothing Trump has done is equal to Obama's generosity. So, Trump gets along with Putin. BFD. Putin is laughing his ass off watching you guys tear apart the country. Nice job.
 
Before Helsinki that was what many Americans were asking. From two days ago it s now a question many in the WORLD are asking.

Putin is not our friend, he is war criminal, jails his political opponents, shoots down passenger aircraft, and luvs the fact Trump is his stooge.

I have been following politics since 1976. Never have I seen a President so sell this country out. If Trump has a beef with his political opponents at home, that stage in Helsinki was no the arena to air his grievance. He was out of order, and not only made himself look weak but by extension this country. Trump put his own self interest ahead of country. For that he deserves the bad press, and an even closer look at his motives. Putin is ex KGB, a trained professional liar, and he suckerd Trump and by extension this country.
 
1. Got NATO to up their military expenditures significantly.
2. Urged Germany to stop buying Russian oil.
3. Signed Russian sanctions bill.
4. Pulled out of the deal with Iran, a strong Russian ally.
5. Expelled Russian diplomats and closed their consulate in Seattle.
6. Sold anti-tank and other weapons to Ukraine over Russian objections.


Any claims that Trump has been somehow partial to Putin or Russia, is either inaccurate or simply political lying. Obama oversaw the Uranium One deal and cancelled the missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland which Russia opposed. So, was Obama a Putin puppet?

Hey veritas, hst2 here. Nice to see you.

1. Trump has not gotten NATO countries to significantly up their spending on defense. They are following a plan to increase that spending that was begun before Trump came along.
2. Calling Germany slaves to Russia because they import gas from them is simply stupid and insulting to an ally.
3. Trump signed a sanctions bill that had veto-proof majorities ion Congress.
4. The US pulling out of the Iran deal moves Iran closer to Russia.
5. By expelling Russian diplomats, something Trump was unhappy about, he merely did what other western countries did. He allowed Russia to refill the positions.
6. The weapons he sold to the Ukraine, after which, Ukraine ended its own Manefort investigation and stopped cooperating with the Mueller investigation, are sitting in a warehouse.

Your suggestion that Obama alone approved the uranium one deal is simply dishonest. And Obama abandonment of the missile deal was approved by Israel and NATO countries, not to mention by robert Gates, who suggested the missile defense shield to begin with.
 
I see you steadfastly avoid discussing the gifts Obama bestowed on them. But that is because you revere Obama and have a psychotic hatred of Trump. Nothing Trump has done is equal to Obama's generosity. So, Trump gets along with Putin. BFD. Putin is laughing his ass off watching you guys tear apart the country. Nice job.

If that was Putin's intention, he's certainly succeeded. TDS runs rampant on DP. :eek:
 
They don't have 20% of our uranium capacity. The uranium cannot be exported. The deal was approved by man government agencies.

It's amusing that you need to use falsehoods to defend your indefensible position.

Really, that's not what the Nuclear Regulatory Commission says. Oh, and they don't have to export anything to adversely affect our uranium production. All they would have to do is reduce production or stop it altogether. It's amazing that you whine about Trump while being completely OK with this transaction.

In 2010, the NRC approved the transfer of control of the licenses from Uranium One USA, Inc.and Uranium One America, Inc. to JSC Atomredmetsoloto (ARMZ), a Russian corporation. At that time we determined that the U.S. subsidiaries of Uranium One, Inc. (the formerly Canadian,now Russian-owned firm) would remain as the NRC-regulated licensees and continue to be qualified to conduct the uranium recovery operations. As a condition of our approval, we required the licensee to notify the NRC before ARMZ appoints, hires, or designates personnel to perform NRC-licensed activities. The ARMZ licensees represent approximately 20 percent of the currently licensed uranium in-situ recovery production capacity in the U.S.



https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1516/ML15168A230.pdf
 
That's it? That makes Trump a Russian provocateur? You guys are embarrassing yourselves daily but you don't seem to care. Worse you don't seem to realize that the discord you sow helps Putin much more than anything Trump has ever done or will do.
Yep, definitely evidence that Trump is beholden to Russia. :roll: I wonder what giving them 20% of our uranium production capacity amounts to. Imagine for a second had Trump done that. Imagine if Trump cancelled the missile defense program the Russians were adamantly opposing. Sounds like only someone beholden to Putin would do those things.
AFAICT, neither one of the posts you are responding to put forward the theory that these things are what "makes Trump a Russian provocateur" nor that they are definite "evidence that Trump is beholden to Russia".

Both of these posts are direct refutations of your assertions about what things are evidence that Trump is not beholden to Russia.

These posts just refuted your points rather than made the points you are assigning to them.

It looks like you had your post demolished an then you switched to whupping a strawman.

as alsways, ymmv
 
Hey veritas, hst2 here. Nice to see you.

1. Trump has not gotten NATO countries to significantly up their spending on defense. They are following a plan to increase that spending that was begun before Trump came along.
2. Calling Germany slaves to Russia because they import gas from them is simply stupid and insulting to an ally.
3. Trump signed a sanctions bill that had veto-proof majorities ion Congress.
4. The US pulling out of the Iran deal moves Iran closer to Russia.
5. By expelling Russian diplomats, something Trump was unhappy about, he merely did what other western countries did. He allowed Russia to refill the positions.
6. The weapons he sold to the Ukraine, after which, Ukraine ended its own Manefort investigation and stopped cooperating with the Mueller investigation, are sitting in a warehouse.

Your suggestion that Obama alone approved the uranium one deal is simply dishonest. And Obama abandonment of the missile deal was approved by Israel and NATO countries, not to mention by robert Gates, who suggested the missile defense shield to begin with.

Hey hst2. Guess we'll be doing battle over here now.:) The point is that had Trump been involved in the Uranium One approval, we'd be hearing non-stop wailing about how this was some duplicitous plan to sell out to Putin and Russia. Instead, it happened under Obama so nobody says anything. On the other issues, Trump urged Germany to buy oil from us which would cost Russia billions of dollars and significantly damage their economy, not something a friend of Russia would suggest.

He got NATO to start to live up to their defense obligations. On the missiles, had Trump ended the program, we'd hear again about how he did it at Putin's bidding. The same actions taken by the Obama administration would suddenly become traitorous because Trump did them.
 
AFAICT, neither one of the posts you are responding to put forward the theory that these things are what "makes Trump a Russian provocateur" nor that they are definite "evidence that Trump is beholden to Russia".

Both of these posts are direct refutations of your assertions about what things are evidence that Trump is not beholden to Russia.

These posts just refuted your points rather than made the points you are assigning to them.

It looks like you had your post demolished an then you switched to whupping a strawman.

as alsways, ymmv


Nothing was demolished. All those actions occurred and none of them favored Russia. OTOH, the people suggesting that Trump is beholden to Putin cannot point to a single concrete action he has taken to help them. Conversely, Obama did several things which Putin most certainly wanted.
 
I believe there is quite enuff documentation connecting Trump to Russian interests available for anyone to review.

This however is in no way a requirement for anyone to become informed concerning the matter.

It's always nice to see an ostrich here & there along the road side ...........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials

https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties

LOL!!

You support your TDS with nonsense from others with TDS.

Ok at.
 
I see you steadfastly avoid discussing the gifts Obama bestowed on them. But that is because you revere Obama and have a psychotic hatred of Trump. Nothing Trump has done is equal to Obama's generosity. So, Trump gets along with Putin. BFD. Putin is laughing his ass off watching you guys tear apart the country. Nice job.

The thread is NOT about Obama.

The thread IS about Trump.

Please try & keep up ........
 
That's where he got all his shady funding from.

Though we won't know until the investigation is complete, this seems to be one of the more plausible explanations.
 
LOL!!

You support your TDS with nonsense from others with TDS.

Ok at.

In the OP I made observations & based on the observations I asked for opinions.

I asked for opinions about Trump; no one else ..........
 
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All right; well so, far we have a few contributions (thank you) as to why some here believe Trump seems so beholden to Russia & to Putin, and then we also have a bunch of white noise BS that has nothing to do with the thread.

Legitimate opinions so far (thank you, again) are:
* questionable loans
* Trump trolling folks
* multiple business & personal ties to East Europe & to Russia
* money laundering
* the so called ‘pee pee tape’
* Trump owes billion$ to Russian banks/oligarchs


So, what else could be the cause of Trump’s seeming allegiance to Putin & to Russian?
 
In the OP I made observations & based on the observations I asked for opinions.

I asked for opinions about Trump; no one else ..........

I gave you my opinion.
 
Nothing was demolished.
Nothing except the point you tried to make in this post
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...holden-putin-and-russia-2.html#post1068791026

They went through and showed that each of your points was wrong.

Maybe you can't see it.
idk
But that's what it looks like.

OTOH, the people suggesting that Trump is beholden to Putin cannot point to a single concrete action he has taken to help them.
Iirc, there've been some cases in this very thread.
I don't thin you are lying. I believe that you cannot see them when they're posted.
 
Nothing except the point you tried to make in this post
https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...holden-putin-and-russia-2.html#post1068791026

They went through and showed that each of your points was wrong.

Maybe you can't see it.
idk
But that's what it looks like.


Iirc, there've been some cases in this very thread.
I don't thin you are lying. I believe that you cannot see them when they're posted.

They ought to be easy enough for you to summarize. I'm talking about specific policy actions, not just interpretations and spin made by Trump opponents every time he says anything.
 
In my experience it seems anomalous for any POTUS to have such favorable views of Russia.
Going beyond having a favorable view of Russia now we have a POTUS that seems to hold in very high regard a former KGB asset.
This all seems rather bizarre so, what is really going on with Trump, Russia, and Putin?
It is no mystery that Donald Trump has numerous links to Russia & to Putin but why does Trump seem to be beholden to Putin & to Russian interests?

Throw your ideas out there, here.

Trump has a favorable view of Russia?

Trump as President Is the worst thing to ever happen to Putin and Russia. But they did very well under Obama.
1. Obama dismantled the missile defense shield in Poland and today Trump is rebuilding them.
2. The Trump energy policies have been devastating to the Russian economy. Poland used to get all its natural gas from Russia now they buy it all from the U.S., from a deal worked out by Energy Secretary Rick Perry. If they do the same with Germany Putin’s head will end up on a spike.
3. While Obama let Putin annex Crimea, Trumps actions in Syria and on the Iran Deal were a humiliating slap in the face to Putin.
4. Trump is giving lethal aid to Ukraine to defend against Russia, Obama did give money but refused any type of weapons.
 
Have to think, if it hasn’t been mentioned before, is Trump’s obvious impatience with democratic institutions, plus his admiration for strongman leaders’ solutions to complex problems.
 
1. Got NATO to up their military expenditures significantly.
2. Urged Germany to stop buying Russian oil.
3. Signed Russian sanctions bill. <<--
4. Pulled out of the deal with Iran, a strong Russian ally.
5. Expelled Russian diplomats and closed their consulate in Seattle. <<--
6. Sold anti-tank and other weapons to Ukraine over Russian objections.


Any claims that Trump has been somehow partial to Putin or Russia, is either inaccurate or simply political lying. Obama oversaw the Uranium One deal and cancelled the missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland which Russia opposed. So, was Obama a Putin puppet?

Repeating for all needing:

Trump signed a Russia sanctions bill into law — but only after Congress passed it with a veto-proof majority.

When Congress, aiming to punish Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, passed a bill placing new sanctions on Russia and limiting the president’s power to lift the sanctions, Trump resisted. He called the bill an unconstitutional encroachment on executive power. But when faced with the threat of an embarrassing Congressional override, Trump was forced to sign the bill. These protections were only sanctified as law because it was clear that Congress would pass it — with or without his support.
Trump implemented sanctions on Russia — but only after public pressure to act on election hacking reached levels too great to ignore.

Despite signing this sanctions bill into law, Trump missed one implementation deadline after another, and finally announced in January that he was not planning on implementing any new sanctions. But pressure to take action kept increasing: On Feb. 16, Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for interfering in the 2016 election, and on Feb. 27, some of the administration’s top intelligence chiefs testified that the president had not instructed them to directly combat Russian election hacking. After public outcry, the Treasury Department announced it would sanction 19 people and five organizations under the law, many of which had already sanctioned by Obama or indicted by Mueller. Again, the Trump administration took only nominal action when left with no other options.

SOURCE
 
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