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Why is the border such a big problem now?

Bullseye said:
Enforced immigration laws. That's kinda the topic of the thread, isn't it?
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Super duper weakass comparison. Trump is the only President to gleefully trash immigrants at every opportunity.
 
The O/P stats are ancient and don't tell the real story...
According to CBP, the number of people arrested for illegally crossing the border rose from 47,986 in January to 66,450 in February.

Below historic highs, the stats above were in line with a trend that has been in place since last fall, bringing the average monthly arrest rate over the preceding five months to its highest level in a decade.

CBP Releases Fiscal Year 2019 Southwest Border Migration Stats | U.S. Customs and Border Protection



Glad I could put this all in proper perspective for the O/P.
 
trixare4kids said:
When all else fails, attack the poster.
Want to try addressing what I actually wrote now?

:coffeepap:
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That only the ones who deserve it are trashed by Trump? Sure, I’ll respond. Bull****.
 
ataraxia said:
Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?
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Trump wanted support from the working class, whose jobs have been outsourced or taken by illegal immigrants. In the past, Republicans mostly courted business owners, who like to hire illegal immigrants for low pay. Trump was aiming more at the working class, who suffer from unrestricted immigration.

And by the way, Democrats are now saying that Americans won't do those jobs anyway. BS. Construction workers, landscapers, office cleaners, for example, all used to be Americans.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Trump wanted support from the working class, whose jobs have been outsourced or taken by illegal immigrants. In the past, Republicans mostly courted business owners, who like to hire illegal immigrants for low pay. Trump was aiming more at the working class, who suffer from unrestricted immigration.

And by the way, Democrats are now saying that Americans won't do those jobs anyway. BS. Construction workers, landscapers, office cleaners, for example, all used to be Americans.
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In CA., the latter is certainly true.
Illegals have completely taken over all forms of construction, landscaping, and office cleaners/maids/servants/house cleaners.
The Democrats are known for lying so are their head in the sand, lackeys.

There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do | Center for Immigration Studies
 
cabse5 said:
Because Homeland Security chief Neilsen has stated many times that increasingly those illegally crossing the border are not from Mexico, are seeking asylum and are accompanied children and there is no US immigration law in place to send them back to the country of their origin if they don't qualify for immigration or asylum status. Catch and release into the US occurs.

Congress needs to do their jobs on illegal immigration.

Side note: My take? Term limits for all the bastards.
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I :thumbs: this post.
 
washunut said:
Don't agree that it is only conservatives that care about illegal immigration. Democratic politicians used to say they were for immigration reform as recently as Obama.

Not sure what is hard to understand. The country is very concerned about income inequality. Does anyone think that bringing illegal competitors helps the American worker. People say they are concerned about the national debt,education,health care etc. Do you really think that the cost of educating the child of an illegal immigrant is free. Yes the kids deserve an education the question is who pays. Do you think when an unskilled illegal worker gets sick and goes to the emergency room that is free.

Not sure why this is a partisan issue. IMO we should want immigration,legally the way many of our grandparents etc came here. While remembering the skills we want to bring into the country are different now than they were in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Perhaps the real question is why do democrats now want open borders when that was never the case. The answer probably rests with cheap partisan politics.
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#1- TDS
#2- See #1

Democrats are staking out the position that everything Trump does, believes in or wants to do for America is bad. Further, they are welcoming illegals to increase their voting base, seeing as we Americans aren't exactly reproducing like bunnies.
 
Felis Leo said:
The problem with putting the onus solely on employers is that states like mine make it incredibly difficult for employers to inquire about people's immigration/citizenship status. I am legally prohibited under California law from inquiring into a potential employee's immigration status unless I have clear and convincing evidence that hiring the potential employee may run afoul of Federal immigration law, which is an extremely difficult standard to overcome. And even then, I could be prosecuted for voluntarily cooperating with Federal Immigration authorities.
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Holy $%!#! Seriously.

Ridiculous that the Left has made ICE "Enemy #1".
 
ataraxia said:
My suggestion would be to hear their case for asylum in court, and deport them if it doesn’t meet certain preset criteria.
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The problem with what your suggesting is that for some odd reason they do not show up to court for their hearing. Weird, huh?

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Moderate Right said:
Hundreds of thousands cross the border illegally every year. It doesn't matter what the past is. Hundreds of thousands is way too many and not one is vetted.
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It's the cumulative effect on our resources that needs to be curtailed. How many American kids are being educated in over-crowded classroom and sitting in trailers instead of buildings because of our policies which allow illegal children (and let's face it, adults, too) to get a free education without any proof of citizenship. That's just one system that's over-burdened by illegals using tax-payer-funded resources.
 
Any number of people illegally crossing over that is greater than zero, is too many people. 800,000 will probably get in this year. If people don't think that is a crisis, then there's not much you can say to convince them. The border has been a mess for decades. It's just that now it's getting attention and the fact that Trump is the one doing it has the left in an uproar.
 
veritas1 said:
Any number of people illegally crossing over that is greater than zero, is too many people. 800,000 will probably get in this year. If people don't think that is a crisis, then there's not much you can say to convince them. The border has been a mess for decades. It's just that now it's getting attention and the fact that Trump is the one doing it has the left in an uproar.
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I agree and use the same sentiments for any number of Americans killed or murdered by illegals greater than zero is too many people. Democrats, mostly in California, have remained disgustingly silent on the matter.
 
It's all politics as usual coming from the Democratic Party. Anything the Trump administration tries to do to strengthen borders is all the usual, identity political words; xenophobic, racist, barbaric, nazi... Trump bad, therefore strengthening immigration policy bad. "You support Trump, you're a Nazi" lol

Here's how you get back at them....
Vote these partisan leftists out 2020.
 
ataraxia said:
Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?
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I agree. Why have we been ignoring this problem for decades? Why is it suddenly not a problem for democrats? I mean, Obama thought it was a problem.

Obama said:
We all agree on the need to better secure the border and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants. We are a generous and welcoming people, here in the United States, but those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
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RaleBulgarian said:
No. IOW, this post doesn’t rate better than a simple “bull****” response, but go ahead pretending I said (or implied) something different if it makes you happy.
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You didn't imply.
You wrote a statement which I was happy to point out, and prove as a lie.
RaleBulgarian said:
Super duper weakass comparison. Trump is the only President to gleefully trash immigrants at every opportunity.
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americanwoman said:
Yes, if I remember my history correctly Republicans/Conservatives not only talked about but actually gave amnesty. Let's not pretend it's all on Dems/Left that are blocking any real efforts.

We don't need to start with changes at the border, we need to start with enforcing our laws like hiring illegals because that's what they come here for, the work. But you won't see Mr. Trump, who talks a good game but hires illegals, doing those kind of logical changes to actually solve the problem.
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FYI

What Trump has said about E-Verify

Thanks for bringing it to their attention.
 
trixare4kids said:
You didn't imply.
You wrote a statement which I was happy to point out, and prove as a lie.
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You didn’t prove anything as a lie. You pivoted to Tim Kaine. That had zero to do with my assertion that Trump gleefully bashes immigrants at every opportunity.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You didn’t prove anything as a lie. You pivoted to Tim Kaine. That had zero to do with my assertion that Trump gleefully bashes immigrants at every opportunity.
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Your statement is a lie. Just as Tim Kaine's is a lie, but never mind, my job is done here.
If you are going to write complete moronic lies, I am going to call you on them, and I did.
 
trixare4kids said:
Your statement is a lie. Just as Tim Kaine's is a lie, but never mind, my job is done here.
If you are going to write complete moronic lies, I am going to call you on them, and I did.
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You lied when you said that you proved my supposed lie, but you didn’t. Diverting to someone else in order to prove your point was idiotic. The only thing you’ve demonstrated, yet again, is how incapable you are of making a valid point.

Run along now.
 
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