Why is it shameful for men to advocate legalization of sex work?

[SCitizen]

I made no threat, just wished that deviants of this nature would voluntarily stop wasting everyone's oxygen.

Most people who pay for sex in Europe are law abiding normal citizens. Even Mozart, Schubert, Kafka did it.

Even though I am not at liberty to give you an advice you gave these people I can advise you to stop following me.

 

[Ovid]

Most people who pay for sex in Europe are law abiding normal citizens. Even Mozart, Schubert, Kafka did it.

No one's immune from vice, but that doesn't mean it should be propagated.

And more people pay for sex in America than in Europe, law be damned. You must not get out much, no offense. I bet you think no one in America smokes pot because it's "illegal on the books" too don't you?

Even though I am not at liberty to give you an advice you gave these people I can advise you to stop following me.

Perhaps I find you cute.

 

[maquiscat]

In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense...

And how is one supposed to know if the person they are purchasing sex from is a trafficking victim or not? Or is it knowingly doing so, and if it would not have been obvious to one, they are not liable?

 

[maquiscat]

Your anecdotal encounters are just that. Look into it, read testimonials of past porn actresses. It's not pretty.

Wouldn't those negative testimonials be just as anecdotal as any positive or even neutral ones?

 

[countryboy]

Wouldn't those negative testimonials be just as anecdotal as any positive or even neutral ones?

No, they wouldn't.

an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

 

[maquiscat]

No, they wouldn't.

So what makes a negative testimonial any more or less a personal account than a positive one?

 

[soylentgreen]

And how is one supposed to know if the person they are purchasing sex from is a trafficking victim or not? Or is it knowingly doing so, and if it would not have been obvious to one, they are not liable?

He made it quite clear. It's trafficking when you pick up a prostitute on the street and most likely illegal. Where as it is legal if you go to a licensed brothel. Not that difficult for even a drunken sailor to figure out.

 

[soylentgreen]

Actually one of the worst positions for a woman is nursing assistant with median salary of $28,534. For a man it would be Alaska fisherman.

That's not quite true. When america screwed the world economy and through us all into a recession it even effected prostitutes.
Prostitutes tempt clients with deals - national | Stuff.co.nz

Christchurch prostitutes, hit hard by the economic downturn, have been forced to offer novelty services to lure clients.

Even the oldest profession in the world is not recession-proof, and the city's sex workers are trimming prices and providing special services.

Phebe, who describes herself as a busty blonde, is offering a $50 lunchtime special to attract clients.

"The lunchtime special - $50 for 15 minutes - makes up 90 per cent of my work now because a lot of people are not going to book an hour or half an hour," she said.

Life is tough for everyone.

 

[countryboy]

So what makes a negative testimonial any more or less a personal account than a positive one?

The negative effects of pornography are well documented. Can you point to any serious studies which have found positive results?

 

[CLAX1911]

In USA and other places where paying for sex is illegal, tens of millions of men live lives of loneliness and misery. In most Europe, where both buying and selling sex is legal, that is not the issue. Definitely decriminalizing sex work between consenting adults would greatly improve the lives of people who can not find a partner. In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense and yet consensual sex work is legal.

They could have formed strong advocacy groups for decriminalization, and yet most would be ashamed to even speak on the issue. For some reason being accused of being a bitter virgin is one of the worst insults.

Because in American culture if a man can't get trim without paying for it, he has no game.

 

[Henrin]

So what makes a negative testimonial any more or less a personal account than a positive one?

What positive testimonials are you talking about? I'm not aware of any positive testimonials that came from porn actresses on the matter. Do you have an example of one?

 

[maquiscat]

He made it quite clear. It's trafficking when you pick up a prostitute on the street and most likely illegal. Where as it is legal if you go to a licensed brothel. Not that difficult for even a drunken sailor to figure out.

Ok, show me in this post where it was made quite clear the difference.

In USA and other places where paying for sex is illegal, tens of millions of men live lives of loneliness and misery. In most Europe, where both buying and selling sex is legal, that is not the issue. Definitely decriminalizing sex work between consenting adults would greatly improve the lives of people who can not find a partner. In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense and yet consensual sex work is legal.

They could have formed strong advocacy groups for decriminalization, and yet most would be ashamed to even speak on the issue. For some reason being accused of being a bitter virgin is one of the worst insults.

 

[maquiscat]

The negative effects of pornography are well documented. Can you point to any serious studies which have found positive results?

You never referenced any kind of study, or even documentary. You simply referred to the testimonials of sex workers.

 

[soylentgreen]

Ok, show me in this post where it was made quite clear the difference.

Not that difficult. But to cut you some slack it should be said one should be aware of what is going on. To make your comment you obviously did not.

In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense and yet consensual sex work is legal.

 

[maquiscat]

What positive testimonials are you talking about? I'm not aware of any positive testimonials that came from porn actresses on the matter. Do you have an example of one?

I was not referring to any testimonials of one type or the other. I was asking how being positive or negative made a testimonial any more or less anecdotal.

 

[Captain America]

Because in American culture if a man can't get trim without paying for it, he has no game.

Yet, all the while, little does the man knoweth, he still has to pay, one way or another.

 

[maquiscat]

Not that difficult. But to cut you some slack it should be said one should be aware of what is going on. To make your comment you obviously did not.

There is nothing in that sentence that makes it obvious that a street worker is a trafficking victim. Well maybe being familiar with the particular UK law, and knowing how it defines such. But assuming that a US citizen knows UK legal definitions, and vice versa, is unrealistic.

 

[zyzygy]

Tapping his fingers on a biometric keypad, George Vos opens the door to his workplace, ushering his visitors up the stairs into a darkened room of scarlet bedding and golden-embroidered cushions, of multi-coloured sex toys and, in the corner, a large, black cage.

It is far from an ordinary office, but Mr Vos is no ordinary man. A one-time transvestite prostitute turned entrepreneur, he is now the manager of Villa Tinto, the designer-finished, state of the art, super-brothel in the centre of Antwerp's red-light district intended to revolutionise the image of prostitution in Belgium.

The business, set up by a well-known Belgian businessman, Franky De Coninck, is ground-breaking in its design and in the ideas behind it. Not only was the building designed by the architect Arne Quinze - who has advised Brad Pitt on his interior décor - but it also has a host of features aimed at making life safer for prostitutes and clients.

Opposite the brothel entrance, in the Schipperskwartier dock area is a police station. Each room in the brothel has panic buttons in case clients turn violent. A doctor is just around the corner and, because of the biometric keypad, there is no sub-letting of any of the 51 rooms to unauthorised prostitutes.

No one here is a victim of people-traffickers and only women with EU passports can work from Villa Tinto.

Passports and panic buttons in the brothel of the future | The Independent

 

[soylentgreen]

There is nothing in that sentence that makes it obvious that a street worker is a trafficking victim. Well maybe being familiar with the particular UK law, and knowing how it defines such. But assuming that a US citizen knows UK legal definitions, and vice versa, is unrealistic.

True, you have me there. I should not have assumed you had such knowledge. I should have worded that better.

 

[Kal'Stang]

In USA and other places where paying for sex is illegal, tens of millions of men live lives of loneliness and misery. In most Europe, where both buying and selling sex is legal, that is not the issue. Definitely decriminalizing sex work between consenting adults would greatly improve the lives of people who can not find a partner. In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense and yet consensual sex work is legal.

They could have formed strong advocacy groups for decriminalization, and yet most would be ashamed to even speak on the issue. For some reason being accused of being a bitter virgin is one of the worst insults.

Not really sure what you're talking about. I have no problem stating that I would not object to legalizing "sex work" as you call it. I call it prostitution. Which it is. But no matter what name you call it. I believe that it should be legal and think that its stupid to not legalize it. Legalizing it would actually make the work much safer both for the person selling their services and the buyer.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yet, all the while, little does the man knoweth, he still has to pay, one way or another.

I found a loophole.

 

[Ovid]

Yet, all the while, little does the man knoweth, he still has to pay, one way or another.

If he has to pay, then while tolerated by society, his "marriage" or relationship is illegitimate in the eyes of natural law, unfortunately society tends to enable weak men who due to their lack of virtue, have to seek the companionship of equally mercenary women.

 

[Ovid]

So what makes a negative testimonial any more or less a personal account than a positive one?

I suppose the same reality which makes a victim's negative testimonial of rape more legitimate than Ted Bundy's positive reminiscence over it.

 

[Ovid]

In USA and other places where paying for sex is illegal, tens of millions of men live lives of loneliness and misery.

They live in loneliness and misery because they're worthless degenerates who are not only so unattractive that they have to pay for another man's sloppy seconds, but are so naive that they actually think that feeding their silly vice will make them any less of a miserable failure than any of their others do, whether their WoW addiction or monster energy drink binging.

If they want to end they're loneliness and misery, then I'd happily subsidize them the bullets and the revolver needed to do so.

And I can't imagine anyone more naive than a 5 year old who thinks that simply because prostitution is illegal on the books that people stateside still don't do it; by that logic then because weed is illegal then no one must smoke it, right?

In most Europe, where both buying and selling sex is legal, that is not the issue. Definitely decriminalizing sex work between consenting adults would greatly improve the lives of people who can not find a partner. In UK, purchasing sex from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense and yet consensual sex work is legal.

Beyond pathetic and naive, not to mention your silly notion that simply because "prostitution is legal" in Europe that everyone does it. It is already legal and regulated in some parts of the US such as Nevada anyway.

They could have formed strong advocacy groups for decriminalization, and yet most would be ashamed to even speak on the issue. For some reason being accused of being a bitter virgin is one of the worst insults.

They couldn't have because moving their overweight butt cheeks out of the dirty sofa in their mom's basement would probably land them in the hospital for a hernia long before they'd even be able to walk the 5 miles to the local community center to form said advocacy group to begin with.

People like this would be better off being shot, not catered to like petulant children, they contribute nothing to society and their loneliness is the result of their own vice and aberrant lifestyles, not the result of them not being able to enact their rapicious desires on sex workers.

 

[Nap]

Legalizing it would make it safer for the men and women of that profession. As it is right now, should a prostitute get abused she isn't going to go to the cops and lowlifes know that. Similar to weed, prostitution will never be stopped within society so to me it seems the best option would be to find a way to give a legal path and ensure the safety of the participants rather than locking them up.

There is also the hypocrisy of the current laws. It is ok to have sex on camera (porn) but not in private. If you have the money, you can simply setup a website and charge an obscene amount to sign up for it then you can pay to have sex with any porn star that will accept your offer. There is also the dilemma of the pro-choice argument. It is hard to argue that because it is the woman's body she should be able to kill her child but then turn around and say she has no right to make money off of using her own body should she choose to do so.