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Why is abortion acceptable?

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minnie616 said:
The near misses are real. Those numbers are not made up.
They are real women who experience those near misses.

My daughter was near miss when she suddenly had pain in her liver because it was swelling from the HELLP syndrome.

I was with her I the Emergency room when she was in the extreme pain and was as white as a ghost.

I was with her and the nurses when they ran the tests. I saw how concerned and nervous they were when they got the results back and rushed her off for stat c-section.
I saw the look of terror on my son-in -laws face when he realized his wife die on the night he becomes a dad for the time.


My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
C section.

She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because her liver was being damaged from the HELLP syndrome.
Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because her liver was swelling and shutting down.
They were worried her liver might fail.


Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.

My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 US women who do die from the syndrome every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who are counted as near misses.

More about HELLP synvdrome:
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marke said:
Women do get sick and die, even when not pregnant. Pregnancy does put women at risk, but so does illicit sex. ...
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What does illicit sex have to do with the fact that my married daughter was one the near misses when she almost died from HELLP syndrome.

Your claim was near misses were FAKE NEWS.

marke said:
We need to see exactly where these numbers are coming from, especially in today's world of widespread fake news reporting. This is from USA Today:

Hospitals know how to protect mothers. They just aren't doing it. Maternal mortality rates rise as hospital safety measures go unused

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Re: Abortion only applies to the fetus

minnie616 said:
Exactly. She had a choice.
Pro choice does allow each women to a make their own their own choice based on their beliefs.
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And most pro-choice women would never chose abortion except in the most extreme circumstance. (ie life or death, fetus not viable and mother would die without removal)

No is a choice. Absolutely.
 
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marke said:
Her choice was to love the baby she was pregnant with and not to kill it.
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Yes, she could love the fetus she was pregnant with. That is a choice....or she could choose to not maintain the pregnancy.

But, alas, you lack that control over women.
 
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minnie616 said:
What does illicit sex have to do with the fact that my married daughter was one the near misses when she almost died from HELLP syndrome.

Your claim was near misses were FAKE NEWS.
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No kidding. If I did not have excellent access to health care and the ability to have a regular MD that knew me well....I could have ended up on dialysis or worse. Most women who choose abortion have substandard access to health care. They know if they lack the resources to safely remain pregnant.

I went from no risk factors to my life being threatened. Only not being pregnant took the threat to my life away, That is medical fact.
 
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marke said:
I'll say again, She loved the unborn baby and she chose not to have a wicked abortion.
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And that is what choice is about. A person can make the choice based on her beliefs, her personal resources, the strength of her social resources and decide whether to continue the pregnancy or not.

Your wife chose to continue her pregnancy despite recommendations of her physician. I am happy your wife survived the pregnancy and was able to enjoy her grandchildren.

How does that change that another may choose differently?
 
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marke said:
I have worked in slaughter houses and rendering plants. That doesn't make me sick. What makes me sick is how callous humans can be to butcher unborn babies while stupidly thinking they are doing a great work and providing a great service to humanity.
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Why is it okay to slaughter animals but not okay for a woman to terminate her pregnancy in the early term?
 
Rickeroo said:
Abortion has become more acceptable, as well as other leftist ideals, because of the reduced self-esteem of the individual over time. Think about why a woman aborts: "I can't take care of this child". Those that feel incapable have low self esteem. Killing one's own flesh and blood, in order to have that mindset, you have to feel really low about your own ability as a parent.
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Please cite your source.
 
Scrabaholic said:
That doesn't mean that women who abort have low self esteem, which is what you claimed. You have failed to prove your assertion.
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You are technically correct, I can't prove low self esteem. However, the phrases "not ready" and "can't afford" certainly couldn't be considered empowering. They are admissions of a lack of capability, or a perceived lack of capability. Therefore, the origin for abortions, at least for the top 2 reasons, come from an un-empowered sense of capability. Abortion, at least in popular culture, is supposed to empower women. I don't see empowerment with "not ready", especially when the cost of that sense of un-empowerment is one's own child. Truly a massive price to pay.
 
Rickeroo said:
You are technically correct, I can't prove low self esteem. However, the phrases "not ready" and "can't afford" certainly couldn't be considered empowering. They are admissions of a lack of capability, or a perceived lack of capability. Therefore, the origin for abortions, at least for the top 2 reasons, come from an un-empowered sense of capability. Abortion, at least in popular culture, is supposed to empower women. I don't see empowerment with "not ready", especially when the cost of that sense of un-empowerment is one's own child. Truly a massive price to pay.
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Not ready or can't afford doesn't mean the person doubts their capability or has low self esteem. It means they can't give the child what it deserves ie. a financially stable family. A woman in college or university is not ready and can't afford. There's also "doesn't want" which does not mean low self esteem either. Good grief.
 
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year2late said:
What does a woman who murders her born child have to do with abortion. You have jumped the shark on that one,
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Let's face it. Some women want their babies dead.
 
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minnie616 said:
What does illicit sex have to do with the fact that my married daughter was one the near misses when she almost died from HELLP syndrome.

Your claim was near misses were FAKE NEWS.
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Your daughter and 385,999 other women almost died that year from pregnancy complications?
 
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year2late said:
And that is what choice is about. A person can make the choice based on her beliefs, her personal resources, the strength of her social resources and decide whether to continue the pregnancy or not.

Your wife chose to continue her pregnancy despite recommendations of her physician. I am happy your wife survived the pregnancy and was able to enjoy her grandchildren.

How does that change that another may choose differently?
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Everybody has choices. God handles the consequences.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Why is it okay to slaughter animals but not okay for a woman to terminate her pregnancy in the early term?
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Because God does not want people eating people.
 
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marke said:
Your daughter and 385,999 other women almost died that year from pregnancy complications?
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Your numbers are wrong.

My daughter and 75,000 other US women almost died from eclampsia, pre eclampsia or HELLP syndrome that year.

From the following:

Every year in the U.S., up to 8 percent, or 300,000, of pregnant or postpartum women develop preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome.

Roughly 300 women die, and another 75,000 women experience “near misses”—severe complications and injury such as organ failure, massive blood loss, permanent disability, and premature birth or death of their babies.
Usually, the disease resolves with the birth of the baby and placenta. But, it can occur postpartum—indeed, most maternal deaths occur after delivery.
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Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today
 
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marke said:
We need to see exactly where these numbers are coming from, especially in today's world of widespread fake news reporting. This is from USA Today:

Hospitals know how to protect mothers. They just aren't doing it. Maternal mortality rates rise as hospital safety measures go unused

There is no tracking system for childbirth complications.
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That doesnt change the fact that every single pregnancy is a risk to the mother's life. And it cant be predicted or prevented.
 
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marke said:
I have worked in slaughter houses and rendering plants. That doesn't make me sick. What makes me sick is how callous humans can be to butcher unborn babies while stupidly thinking they are doing a great work and providing a great service to humanity.
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Please list the negative effects of abortion on society.

(Hint: There are none)
 
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marke said:
Abortion did not wipe out our family before it even had a chance at a beginning. Thank God.
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Why would it? Pro-choice=women can keep all her pregnancies and have all the kids she wants if she chooses.
 
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marke said:
If women do not want to risk getting sick they should be very careful how they conduct their sex lives. Women have died during abortions as well, and tens of thousands of women have been infected with serious venereal diseases from having immoral sex. Life is risky. Be careful not to needlessly put yourself at risk.
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Abortion is 14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth. It's a safer, legal option for all women.

Why on earth wouldnt...shouldnt...a woman choose that over having a child she cant afford or cant take care of? Life is risky...for the unborn too. nearly 25% are miscarried anyway. There's no guarantee for any of us.


From Reuters:

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.


Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters[/QUOTE]

Can't get much more clear about who values the unborn more than women than pointing this out and seeing the responses.​
 
Rickeroo said:
You are technically correct, I can't prove low self esteem. However, the phrases "not ready" and "can't afford" certainly couldn't be considered empowering. They are admissions of a lack of capability, or a perceived lack of capability. Therefore, the origin for abortions, at least for the top 2 reasons, come from an un-empowered sense of capability. Abortion, at least in popular culture, is supposed to empower women. I don't see empowerment with "not ready", especially when the cost of that sense of un-empowerment is one's own child. Truly a massive price to pay.
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If someone 'cant afford' a child that's a concrete thing. Either they have the $ or they dont. You dont know how many other dependents or obligations a woman has. Most women who have abortions already have at least one child.

Has nothing to do with self-esteem.

And parenting WELL is very difficult, one of the hardest things to do well in life. Most parents go into it afraid. Why should a woman that's not yet ready, take that chance and end up doing more harm than good? Has nothing to do with self-esteem and more to do with being mature enough to know where you are in life.

Abortion is a very responsible choice:

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and may abuse or neglect.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​
 
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Do you think this ignorant hyperbolic crap does any good?
marke said:
Let's face it. Some women want their babies dead.
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I think abortion is acceptable Because there many reasons like the partners are not comfortable with the baby or they might have other plans for life. they fear that they are not ready to be a parent yet. If you abort a child then here are some examples that you should avoid after going through an abortion.
 
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