Why is abortion acceptable?

[minnie616]

That's quite a generalization of women. So ALL women do not abort a fetus on a whim?

An abortion cannot be undertaken on a whim. An abortion needs to be planned, therefore it does not meet the conditions of a whim.

A whim is : a sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained.

 

[Scrabaholic]

They could also get a C-section too.

Which is major surgery.

 

[Bucky]

What does anything in my post have to do with men? I'm discussing the effects on women of laws that are based on a Constitution that applies to everyone and a legal system enforced by both men and women.

Are laws 'robotic?' Is the recognition of personal liberty, bodily sovereignty, self-determination 'robotic?'

If you want something erroneously and continually 'robotically' regurgitated in this sub-forum, it's "oh the innocent babies!" as if they hold a value greater than women.

Why do you have such a feminist agenda? I have a humanist agenda. We need to find a way for the mother and baby to be able to co-exist and have equal rights.

There is no war in the womb.

 

[Lursa]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

A woman by nature is born to be an incubator. That is her natural purpose as a mammal. Tell me how many males in any animal species give birth?

Ah, by that "logic" :roll: the govt should be pairing up couples and forcing them to marry. Because that 'stability' would conceivably (pun intended) create more stable financial family units. After all...men and women were by nature born to mate and care for young.

 

[Stopandthink]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

Abortion is not the killing of a born baby.
It is the ending of pregnancy before live birth.

We have a right to personal autonomy.

From the following Live Science article:



Right to Privacy: Constitutional Rights & Privacy Laws

Since you’re apparently very concerned with technicality please inform us of the legal term/moral consequence of killing a BORN baby, but please then explain how it logically follows that killing the same gestation baby IN THE WOMB does not carry the same moral value


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[Bucky]

An abortion cannot be undertaken on a whim. An abortion needs to be planned, therefore it does not meet the conditions of a whim.

A whim is : a sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained.

I have heard from you and many others on your side that getting an abortion is like going to the dentist. I have gone to the dentist on the whim. Thought about getting my teeth cleaned and went to the dentist the next day. Sometimes I thought about going to the dentist even though I didn't need too because my insurance covered it.

 

[Scrabaholic]

OR...women could act more responsibly and not spread their legs for any Tom, Dick, or Harry that comes along...

You do realise that most women who abort are in a long term relationship w/ the man who got them pregnant, right?

 

[Lursa]

Why do you have such a feminist agenda? I have a humanist agenda. We need to find a way for the mother and baby to be able to co-exist and have equal rights.

There is no war in the womb.

I dont have a feminist agenda and you couldnt answer any of my questions. Why is that?

 

[Scrabaholic]

US Birth Rate Hits All-time Low

This is GOOD, IMO.

 

[Lursa]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

I choose not to answer that question because I do not want to get into the weeds about abortion.

I think the more relevant question is why is it acceptable that there are those that believe a fetus at any stage of its evolutionary period is not deserving of any rights. A fetus, once it is viable, has the same future, life prospects as that of a newborn.

No human rights organizations (outside some religious ones) recognize rights for the unborn.

The imagined rights of the unborn, if recognized, would supersede those of women...meaning we would be reduced (again) to 2nd class citizens.

Not recognizing women as equal to men is immoral.

 

[Bucky]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

Ah, by that "logic" :roll: the govt should be pairing up couples and forcing them to marry. Because that 'stability' would conceivably (pun intended) create more stable financial family units. After all...men and women were by nature born to mate and care for young.

That is simply how nature made humans. Hey, Spiders are naturally good climbers, humans are not.

Sure, a spider can choose not to climb but they are naturally good at it.

 

[Lursa]

What about the body inside the woman? By your definition the woman has the right to decide who lives or dies. That sport is being judge, jury, and executioner. Aren't you glad your mother took the high road?

I am not saying all abortion should be illegal but there should be reasonable limits other than a whim.

Please tell me where the moral High Road is with a govt tasked with forcing women to remain pregnant against our will? How is that accomplished? Does the Constitution stop applying to women?

 

[WCH]

This is GOOD, IMO.

None of the North American countries are producing enough to replace those that have died. Eventually, no NAicans. That means no Canadians either.

World Development Indicators
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Google Public Data Explorer

 

[Lursa]

You’ve notice by now you’re not going to get an honest answer to your question from the pro abortion crowd because you’ve identified that the root problem with legal personhood is that it is lacks scientific common sense.


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:lamo

Please explain the logic in recognizing rights for something with ZERO ability to exercise ANY right individually?

Before birth, the unborn has no rights that can be separated from the mother (physically, legally, ethically, practically). It's a dependency that truly demonstrates that it is not equal.

They do not have a single right that they can exercise independently.​

 

[WCH]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

No human rights organizations (outside some religious ones) recognize rights for the unborn.

The imagined rights of the unborn, if recognized, would supersede those of women...meaning we would be reduced (again) to 2nd class citizens.

Not recognizing women as equal to men is immoral.

Then y'all need to quit being so damn selfish and respect the lives of others.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

Since you’re apparently very concerned with technicality please inform us of the legal term/moral consequence of killing a BORN baby, but please then explain how it logically follows that killing the same gestation baby IN THE WOMB does not carry the same moral value


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So then you are completely disregarding the moral implications of forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will? What that would require by the govt to identify and enforce?

 

[Lursa]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

That is simply how nature made humans. Hey, Spiders are naturally good climbers, humans are not.

Sure, a spider can choose not to climb but they are naturally good at it.

You didnt answer my question, again? Why?

It's because you cant keep supporting your position on anything but emotion, that's why.

Here, try again, it's based completely on your claim, in bold.

Ah, by that "logic" the govt should be pairing up couples and forcing them to marry, right? Because that 'stability' would conceivably (pun intended) create more stable financial family units. After all...men and women were by nature born to mate and care for young. Right?

 

[WCH]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

So then you are completely disregarding the moral implications of forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will? What that would require by the govt to identify and enforce?

No one would be forcing you. You would simply be following the law if it were outlawed.

Y'all broke that law frequently before RoevWade. What would be any different?

 

[Lursa]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

Then y'all need to quit being so damn selfish and respect the lives of others.

When you start respecting the rights of women...sure.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

No one would be forcing you. You would simply be following the law if it were outlawed.

Y'all broke that law frequently before RoevWade. What would be any different?

And so if women got abortions, the govt would do nothing about it?

 

[WCH]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

When you start respecting the rights of women...sure.

Seems, given current events, y'all have over-stepped your 'rights'.

 

[WCH]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

And so if women got abortions, the govt would do nothing about it?

Like the breaking of most laws, only if you get caught.

 

[Lursa]

Re: We don't know enough to choose wisely; it may be beyond us politically/socially, even if we do k

Seems, given current events, y'all have over-stepped your 'rights'.

Which ones, please be specific?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Because abortion law hadn't kept up with medical advances

Like the breaking of most laws, only if you get caught.

Then you lied here then, correct?

No one would be forcing you. You would simply be following the law if it were outlawed.

Y'all broke that law frequently before RoevWade. What would be any different?

 

[Scrabaholic]

What about the body inside the woman? By your definition the woman has the right to decide who lives or dies. That sport is being judge, jury, and executioner. Aren't you glad your mother took the high road?

The so-and-so that birthed me should have aborted all her pregnancies.

I am not saying all abortion should be illegal but there should be reasonable limits other than a whim.

Women do not abort on a "whim".