Why/how Trump can violate the law with impunity!

[independentusa]

Trump has ordered the Treasury to withhold his tax returns. Of course it is Mnuchin who will be the one that will be held in contempt by Congress, but even he will never have a problem with breaking the law which requires him, "shall", provide any tax return they request. The one who would have to bring a legal action against Mnuchin would be Barr, the AG. Barr will do as Trump tells him and will take no notice of the laws being violated by Mnuchin and through him Trump. What worries me more than the fact that trump can violate this and any law he wishes is that the Trumpsters who follow him do not see any problem with Trump breaking laws. You can say this is a political move by Congress, but it follows the law and the IRS is required by that law to provide the tax returns. The GOP complained bitterly about Obama becoming a dictator, but they seem to see no problem with Trump actually being one at this time. He has become a law unto himself with no one to stop him from doing as he pleases.

 

[beefheart]

Trump has ordered the Treasury to withhold his tax returns. Of course it is Mnuchin who will be the one that will be held in contempt by Congress, but even he will never have a problem with breaking the law which requires him, "shall", provide any tax return they request. The one who would have to bring a legal action against Mnuchin would be Barr, the AG. Barr will do as Trump tells him and will take no notice of the laws being violated by Mnuchin and through him Trump. What worries me more than the fact that trump can violate this and any law he wishes is that the Trumpsters who follow him do not see any problem with Trump breaking laws. You can say this is a political move by Congress, but it follows the law and the IRS is required by that law to provide the tax returns. The GOP complained bitterly about Obama becoming a dictator, but they seem to see no problem with Trump actually being one at this time. He has become a law unto himself with no one to stop him from doing as he pleases.

Petty dictators being dictators...but the rubes love their dictator....

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Trump has ordered the Treasury to withhold his tax returns. Of course it is Mnuchin who will be the one that will be held in contempt by Congress, but even he will never have a problem with breaking the law which requires him, "shall", provide any tax return they request. The one who would have to bring a legal action against Mnuchin would be Barr, the AG. Barr will do as Trump tells him and will take no notice of the laws being violated by Mnuchin and through him Trump. What worries me more than the fact that trump can violate this and any law he wishes is that the Trumpsters who follow him do not see any problem with Trump breaking laws. You can say this is a political move by Congress, but it follows the law and the IRS is required by that law to provide the tax returns. The GOP complained bitterly about Obama becoming a dictator, but they seem to see no problem with Trump actually being one at this time. He has become a law unto himself with no one to stop him from doing as he pleases.

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

 

[GDViking]

He keeps pushing to the point impeachment will be the only response left.

I know cultists think that would be a good thing as it worked in Clintons favor.

However this is about attempted treason, not a blow job.

Whole different game...

 

[RabidAlpaca]

It's unfortunately simply the way our system works. Trump could literally murder little children, and if the Republicans decided they want to protect him, he wouldn't be held responsible for it. When partisanship takes precedent over law and order, we all lose.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump has ordered the Treasury to withhold his tax returns. Of course it is Mnuchin who will be the one that will be held in contempt by Congress, but even he will never have a problem with breaking the law which requires him, "shall", provide any tax return they request. The one who would have to bring a legal action against Mnuchin would be Barr, the AG. Barr will do as Trump tells him and will take no notice of the laws being violated by Mnuchin and through him Trump. What worries me more than the fact that trump can violate this and any law he wishes is that the Trumpsters who follow him do not see any problem with Trump breaking laws. You can say this is a political move by Congress, but it follows the law and the IRS is required by that law to provide the tax returns. The GOP complained bitterly about Obama becoming a dictator, but they seem to see no problem with Trump actually being one at this time. He has become a law unto himself with no one to stop him from doing as he pleases.

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

 

[PirateMk1]

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

I believe the Obama administration played this same game. This should be fun.

 

[iguanaman]

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

Hmm So tax examiners are qualified to determine if there is any conflicts of interest present in his tax information? Determining whether the President has profited from his Presidency by making decisions to benefit him instead of the American people is one of the chores that Congress is sworn to do. Then there is the Constitutional prohibition of accepting foreign payments while President.

 

[iguanaman]

I believe the Obama administration played this same game. This should be fun.

Obama released all his tax returns without question as have all Presidents since Nixon. Trump is in violation of the law that gives Congress the right to subpoena anyone's tax returns. Trump has no case.

 

[Praxas]

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

Fine then I’m sure you’re fine with trump being unable to pardon him right? Or are you ok with the president being ok with having the power to pardon anyone that disobeys the law for him? Let us know your answer.

 

[independentusa]

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

Sorry, but the law is straight forward, the Congress can get the tax returns, or so you think it is okay for Trump to break a law? Your reaction proves my pint that you trumpster are okay with trump breaking laws. And how do you know trump has done nothing wrong? His tax returns could show he is violating laws other than tax laws.

 

[independentusa]

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

Actually the Congress would have to go through the DOJ to take actual action against Mnuchin and put him in an orange jump suit.

 

[independentusa]

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

Unless the courts find the law unconstitutional, they have to find for the congress. If they find the law unconstitutional, then they have created the president as a virtual dictator.

 

[Xelor]

From the Hoover days to the present, Congress has contented itself with exercising its statutory contempt power.

• Jurney v. MacCracken -- Upheld Congress' inherent contempt powers
• Anderson v. Dunn -- Acknowledged Congress' inherent contempt powers
• Under the inherent contempt power of the House, the recalcitrant witness may be arrested and brought to trial before the bar of the House, with the offender facing possible incarceration. At the trial of the witness in the House, questions may be put to the witness by the Speaker or by a committee. In one instance, the matter was investigated by a committee, the respondent was then brought to the bar of the House, and a resolution was reported to the House for its vote.
  
  The inherent power of Congress to find a recalcitrant witness in contempt has not been invoked by the House in recent years because of the time-consuming nature of the trial and because the jurisdiction of the House cannot extend beyond the end of a Congress. . The first exercise of this power in the House occurred in 1812, when the House proceeded against a newspaper editor who declined to identify his source of information that had been disclosed from executive session. Such powers had been exercised before the adoption of the Constitution by the Continental Congress as well as by England's House of Lords and House of Commons. Although the use of such powers was supported by the Supreme Court in Jurney, neither House has used them since 1935.

I think it's well past high time Congress time to "dust off" the inherent powers.

 

[OscarLevant]

Trump has ordered the Treasury to withhold his tax returns. Of course it is Mnuchin who will be the one that will be held in contempt by Congress, but even he will never have a problem with breaking the law which requires him, "shall", provide any tax return they request. The one who would have to bring a legal action against Mnuchin would be Barr, the AG. Barr will do as Trump tells him and will take no notice of the laws being violated by Mnuchin and through him Trump. What worries me more than the fact that trump can violate this and any law he wishes is that the Trumpsters who follow him do not see any problem with Trump breaking laws. You can say this is a political move by Congress, but it follows the law and the IRS is required by that law to provide the tax returns. The GOP complained bitterly about Obama becoming a dictator, but they seem to see no problem with Trump actually being one at this time. He has become a law unto himself with no one to stop him from doing as he pleases.

AG might resist, but if it's a court fight, how many times have we heard Gorsuch ( and I think Kavanaugh ) assert that they will follow the law, wherever it leads, without influence of political bias (where the clear language of the law here doesn't allow for a "judicial philosphy" slant on it, it's back and white, subjects to the requests "shall" turn them over, no ifs, ands or butts ( okay, whatever the legal language is )

So , it will be fought in court, that means, at this level, we are talkin' SCOTUS ( sooner or later ) and since the law is very clear on this for Ways & Means requests to the IRS for anyone's tax records, for any reason, it seems to me those two will have no choice but to follow the law. That means that Mnuchin, et al., will have no choice but to provide Trump's tax records, or he will be held in contempt of Congress, which could result in being jailed ( don't know how long, though ). We know how at least four on the court will rule, and those two makes 6.

Trump is going to lose this fight.

Right?

Anyone want to dispute this?

 

[HumblePi]

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

The laws are there in black and white, Trump's lawsuits will not prevail in a court of law. Nevertheless, it will have served him to take this tactic by stalling and stonewalling well into the 2020 election cycle.

 

[PirateMk1]

Obama released all his tax returns without question as have all Presidents since Nixon. Trump is in violation of the law that gives Congress the right to subpoena anyone's tax returns. Trump has no case.

We shall see.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

Internal Revenue Code, Title 26 U.S. Code § 6103.

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress

(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

 

[Praxas]

No big deal.

Congress can take the Executive to court. Let it play out there.

Personally, I think the House Dems will lose out.

Actually, it won't be Barr bringing legal action against Mnuchin. It'll be Congress as the plaintiff and Mnuchin as the defendant. Barr will defend Mnuchin. That's part of the job of the DOJ.

No problem just remember that you have said this. Trump is but a symptom and you and other trump apologists just set the stage for a true dictator to abuse the power. You excuse trumps actions because you agree with them but the minute that tactic is used on something you disagree with we will find trump apologists whining and crying. You trump apologists will reap what you sow.

 

[jdog21]

The committee may be able to see the tax returns but that doesn't mean, the media and us citizens will be able to see them.

 

[Craig234]

Trumps tax returns are in the hands of the IRS who should be the ones to decide if trump has done anything wrong according to our tax laws. Another witch hunt started.

Right, people trump appoints should be the only check on him, good idea. There's a reason THE LAW gives Congress the right to see the president's tax returns, since 1924 after the Teapot Dome scandal.

 

[humbolt]

He keeps pushing to the point impeachment will be the only response left.

I know cultists think that would be a good thing as it worked in Clintons favor.

However this is about attempted treason, not a blow job.

Whole different game...

Bill wasn't charged with getting a blow job. Perjury, suborning perjury, being a smart ass, killing his dog, and telling Newt Gingrrich that rat turds were capers were among his charges.

 

[snakestretcher]

Another in Trump's tedious litany of broken promises. Is anyone surprised? "I will release my tax returns, against my lawyer's wishes"...

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[PIPEWRENCH]

Hmm So tax examiners are qualified to determine if there is any conflicts of interest present in his tax information? Determining whether the President has profited from his Presidency by making decisions to benefit him instead of the American people is one of the chores that Congress is sworn to do. Then there is the Constitutional prohibition of accepting foreign payments while President.

If congress had any real interest in conflicts of interest they would have looked into the 100's of millions of dollars paid to candidates to make speeches. That is the most obvious bribe I have ever heard of. Notice how many companies pay these same individuals if they are not running for office. This is a witch hunt plain and simple and everyone with half a brain knows it.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Fine then I’m sure you’re fine with trump being unable to pardon him right? Or are you ok with the president being ok with having the power to pardon anyone that disobeys the law for him? Let us know your answer.

No not at al but every president since I have been alive has used executive privileges to protect their henchmen. I guess it is only not OK for Trump.