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Why haven't aliens contacted us?

Unless, of course, they saw an opportunity to exploit us in some way.

Hey Nota.

Well, possibly. If the aliens are that technologically advanced I guess it'd be even money that they might be just as morally advanced as well.
(Note Hat tip to 'The Twilight Zone's' 'To Serve Man' episode - hence even money)
 
Hey Nota.

Well, possibly. If the aliens are that technologically advanced I guess it'd be even money that they might be just as morally advanced as well.
(Note Hat tip to 'The Twilight Zone's' 'To Serve Man' episode - hence even money)

And they would have left the primitive idea of gods a long way behind.
 
And they would have left the primitive idea of gods a long way behind.

I don't think that belief or non-belief in 'gods' or God is really connected to being technologically advanced. I don't think there's a connection between spirituality and technology.
 
The Fermi Pardox has been considered and speculated upon extensively... right now all we've got is speculation.


For those with a serious interest, I suggest this book...

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Any civilization advanced enough to reach Earth from "a galaxy far far away" is going to regard Earthlings as a rather pathetic, primitive and possibly doomed species, easily panicked and given to impulses that they probably regard as childish.

A) They try to contact us out of pity and compassion, and want to help us. We panic, chaos ensues...so that's a no go.

B) They want our resources, and there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop them if they do.

C) They conclude we're just too stupid to bother with.

D) They're already among us, and they've been among us for quite some time, we just don't realize it.

Pick one or add your own.
 
Hey Nota.

Well, possibly. If the aliens are that technologically advanced I guess it'd be even money that they might be just as morally advanced as well.
(Note Hat tip to 'The Twilight Zone's' 'To Serve Man' episode - hence even money)

Not necessarily.
Our own high tech civilizations have, on occasion, convinced primitive ones that we were supernatural beings.
We saw them fall for that gambit, and we plundered them.
 
Not necessarily.
Our own high tech civilizations have, on occasion, convinced primitive ones that we were supernatural beings.
We saw them fall for that gambit, and we plundered them.

I did say 'even money', allowing for that possibility as well, also reinforced by the Twilight Zone reference. :)

Arthur C Clarke was a brilliant futurist and writer, but he is probably most widely known for the third of his famous three laws, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." As much as I like the idea, I have to say it's wrong for most of the definitions of magic I've ever
 
The notion that aliens must necessarily be so far beyond us, as to regard humanity as apes or hopeless primitives, is a fallacy when expressed as an absolute.


1. We already have a theoretical capacity to communicate with nearby stellar systems. We could extend this greatly if we were willing to commit more resources to the effort, with little or no technological advancement required.

2. We don't know how far we might be from some sort of propulsion system that could allow for interstellar travel, in time or developmental terms. We are currently seeing new physics discoveries occurring at a remarkable rate, including several lines of research that could revolutionize energy production or propulsion systems when mature. So, we don't know if we might be on the cusp of some kind of interstellar travel capability within a few decades or centuries; thus aliens that might physically find us here in our solar system might be mere decades or centuries ahead of us, not millions or billions of years. We don't know enough to say.

Radio signals or unmanned probes may be the most likely means of contact with an ETC, and that is something we ourselves may do in the foreseeable future. See "active SETI" and "project breakthough starshot".
 
maybe they don't exist
 
I don't love or hate Trump either way, but this was really funny.

Political humor seems to be a thing of the past. Everyone takes things way to serious today. I got a chuckle out of it too.
 
The notion that aliens must necessarily be so far beyond us, as to regard humanity as apes or hopeless primitives, is a fallacy when expressed as an absolute.


1. We already have a theoretical capacity to communicate with nearby stellar systems. We could extend this greatly if we were willing to commit more resources to the effort, with little or no technological advancement required.

2. We don't know how far we might be from some sort of propulsion system that could allow for interstellar travel, in time or developmental terms. We are currently seeing new physics discoveries occurring at a remarkable rate, including several lines of research that could revolutionize energy production or propulsion systems when mature. So, we don't know if we might be on the cusp of some kind of interstellar travel capability within a few decades or centuries; thus aliens that might physically find us here in our solar system might be mere decades or centuries ahead of us, not millions or billions of years. We don't know enough to say.

Radio signals or unmanned probes may be the most likely means of contact with an ETC, and that is something we ourselves may do in the foreseeable future. See "active SETI" and "project breakthough starshot".

With the vast distances and inherent extremely low density of the cosmos, I'm not optimistic about such a message making it to, much less being understood by, another sentient species.

In order to have an environment that can nurture life, you need an rocky planet in the goldilocks zone, with liquid water, a still hot and liquid iron-nickel core below the rocky surface to ward off cosmic radiation and solar flairs and their destruction of life, a stable medium sized sun, with a larger than usual moon for tides, a balanced composition atmosphere that doesn't dive off into greenhouse gas hell, such as Venus, and a number of millions of years of relative environmental stability.

That's one hell of a lot of low probability conditions required for life, much less the development of advanced life. I'm rather dubious that its likely to actually exist, but that being said, the universe is extremely large, so we'd not know as of right now.
 
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Political humor seems to be a thing of the past. Everyone takes things way to serious today. I got a chuckle out of it too.

Yeah, a chuckle from me too. Well done.
 
What makes you think they have not contacted us already?
 
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With the vast distances and inherent extremely low density of the cosmos, I'm not optimistic about such a message making it to, much less being understood by, another sentient species.

In order to have an environment that can nurture life, you need an rocky planet in the goldilocks zone, with liquid water, a still hot and liquid iron-nickel core below the rocky surface to ward off cosmic radiation and solar flairs and their destruction of life, a stable medium sized sun, with a larger than usual moon for tides, a balanced composition atmosphere that doesn't dive off into greenhouse gas hell, such as Venus, and a number of millions of years of relative environmental stability.

That's one hell of a lot of low probability conditions required for life, much less the development of advanced life. I'm rather dubious that its likely to actually exist, but that being said, the universe is extremely large, so we'd not know as of right now.


Recent research indicates the conditions for life may be more flexible than once supposed, and that planets with such conditions may not be as improbable as some speculations have indicated. But we don't know, for sure, and won't until we can see those little specks much more clearly... in just a few more years with the new TESS and Webb telescopes we may have a much better idea.

But that's "life in general", including simple microbes standing alone. An ETC (extra-terrestrial civilization) is a much more uncertain prospect. For that you probably require advanced life, and big brains, and even then there's something more. Lots of terrestrial animals have big brains, but still don't exhibit evidence of H.Sap. level intelligence.

To be a technological, communicative ETC they'd need advanced communication (such as language), data storage (ie writing), the ability to readily manipulate their environment (opposable thumbs, etc), strong curiosity or equivalent (to explore, experiment, and build new things), to develop to the level of technology that would allow them to communicate with us, or otherwise do things we could detect going on in our stellar neighborhood.

Then, setting "FTL" aside for the moment, they'd need to survive as an advanced civilization long enough for us to detect their signals, or vice-versa. And the signals would need to be strong: people often talk about how we've been sending out RF for over 100 years, but scientists have said we probably couldn't detect equivalent-strength signals coming from Alpha Centauri with our current in-use radio telescopes (too weak).

Sublight probes like Breaththrough Starshot or the Orion Project probably wouldn't be used except for relatively short range missions of less than 50 LY.

People sometimes say "Well SETI has been looking for ET for sixty years with not a peep", but in fact SETI has only been looking at a relatively limited number of stars, and only on an off-and-on basis as they can get telescope time... we could literally have been bombarded with hundreds of ETC radio messages in the past 60 years and missed them all because we weren't looking at that moment, or were not looking in the right direction, or were not listening to the right frequencies.

Space is big. Not just in distance, but also in time scales.

We haven't seen any definite evidence of Kardashev II or III civilizations in the known universe... but again, the time scales involved make it dubious that we would, in the limited time we've been looking. Some ETC could have started dismantling the core of our galaxy for building materials yesterday, and we might not see it for another 20,000 years.

But leveling those time scales for the moment, the three most likely explanations for the seeming silence are:

1. Space is just too big, and we haven't been looking long enough or hard enough.

2. We're alone in the galaxy, and possibly the universe, as a technological civilization.

3. We're among the first technological civilizations to develop, or possibly THE first. (First past the "Great Filter" anyway, if there is one.) Any other ETC's that may currently exist are too far away for us to have detected yet.


It's a complicated line of conjecture, but we're accumulating more data every day. I will be intrigued to see what we find over the next decade or two as our ability to look more closely develops.
 
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We have discovered that it appears that the majority if star systems we have been able to observe have planetary systems in place.

So far as we have been able to perceive the known universe is 46.5 billion light years in any direction.

The distance is go great that the galaxy systems we think we see now, may not really exist now.

According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

If you multiply the number of stars (suns) in our galaxy by the number of known galaxies in the Universe, you get approximately an amount that would be a septillion stars, that’s a 1 followed by twenty-four zeros. Add to that, our galaxy is small in comparison to a great many. Given you have a septillion suns and it appears the norm for them to have planets... I would say the likely hood of intelligent life in another system is 100%.

Using our planet as a litmus test for life, to me, is foolish.. it only defines life as we know it, does not mean many intelligent forms of life could develop under conditions hostile to us, but not them.
 
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