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Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

They sure could of been stopped with one. I was referring to unarmed criminals or ones with inferior arms, knife, stick, fist etc.

Some mass shooters commit suicide when armed resistance arrives.

But they were not...why because the response time and the other risks associated with such don't make arming more civilians an amicable option.

Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of average Americans.

Additionally the shooter was going to commit suicide in any circumstances. However this appropriately armed resistance such as police etc...not you average citizen.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

But they were not...why because the response time and the other risks associated with such don't make arming more civilians an amicable option.

Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of average Americans.

Additionally the shooter was going to commit suicide in any circumstances. However this appropriately armed resistance such as police etc...not you average citizen.

So we should hunt with what? Bow and arrows, perhaps a stick?

You don't believe in the right of self defense with the best tool? Women and little old ladies have stopped rape and assaults and home invasions with guns. Would you just say they should lay down and wear it, call the police and hope that the 5 minutes or more it takes them to arrive, they can sweet talk the criminal?

Who was it hear that was telling me the left does not want to ban all guns, see the above post.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Why someone needs an AR15

1. Penis extension, for those with tiny members
2. Penis substitute, when the original model stops working.
3. Something long and hard to hold onto while wishing one and two did not apply to you.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

But they were not...why because the response time and the other risks associated with such don't make arming more civilians an amicable option.

Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of average Americans.


Additionally the shooter was going to commit suicide in any circumstances. However this appropriately armed resistance such as police etc...not you average citizen.

Oh dear.......you just admitted what the American gun-haters NEVER admit.

:mrgreen:

Their strategy is to NEVER admit their goal is confiscation of all guns.

I guess you Australians are more comfortable with that.......but it could never happen here anyway.........we have a Constitution.

:thumbs:
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

So we should hunt with what? Bow and arrows, perhaps a stick?

You don't believe in the right of self defense with the best tool? Women and little old ladies have stopped rape and assaults and home invasions with guns. Would you just say they should lay down and wear it, call the police and hope that the 5 minutes or more it takes them to arrive, they can sweet talk the criminal?

Who was it hear that was telling me the left does not want to ban all guns, see the above post.

I have stated before that if hunting is necessary or firearms are necessary for employment it personally permit it. I don't class average citizens as hunters. I would have stated "Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of your average hunter.

I don't believe the right to self defence with a tool that is murdering individuals throughout the country is morally right. It just so happens all other countries that implemented strict gun policies have not found this as a problem. Additionally Of the 29,618,300 violent crimes committed between 2007 and 2011, 0.79% of victims (235,700) protected themselves with a threat of use or use of a firearm, the least-employed protective behavior. In 2010 there were 230 "justifiable homicides" in which a private citizen used a firearm to kill a felon, compared to 8,275 criminal gun homicides (or, 36 criminal homicides for every "justifiable homicide").

From this we can see that self-defence is not the most alarming rate. There are not many amicable short term variables to the criminal homicides but there are for the justified homicides. Before you can go out on rant and state how are woman and old ladies are going to protect themselves this should be taken into account:

1) Studies have shown that an average of 10% of America don't lock there doors. Thus by locking the door you increase your security level immediately. 15% of this 10% is those above the age of 65.
2) Individuals don't always have a firearm on their person at all times, thus if this were to happen by the time the individual has been alerted it is too late.

Other security measures need to be implemented like simply locking your house before anyone can state that people need to protect themselves.

Additionally correlations can be made between rape, assaults and home invasions.

1) The time of any assault or rape was typically between the times of pm-3am, in a street or venue environment. Common sense needs to be applied in these situations not arming of weapons. https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/offenders/qa03401.asp?qaDate=2010 and https://www.fastcodesign.com/1664491/infographic-of-the-day-when-do-criminals-prowl-the-streets
2) Home Invasions and the risks associated are linked to the security you put on your house such as security doors, locking windows, locking doors, ensuring nothing valuable is left out. This is common sense.

Key academics even support this notion through detailed research "Purchasing a gun may help enrich the firearms industry, but the facts show it is unlikely to increase your personal safety,” Sugarmann said.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Why someone needs an AR15

1. Penis extension, for those with tiny members
2. Penis substitute, when the original model stops working.
3. Something long and hard to hold onto while wishing one and two did not apply to you.

Are you triggered by AR15s or sexually excited?

Perhaps you are triggered that you are sexually excited by AR15s.....
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I have stated before that if hunting is necessary or firearms are necessary for employment it personally permit it. I don't class average citizens as hunters. I would have stated "Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of your average hunter.

I don't believe the right to self defence with a tool that is murdering individuals throughout the country is morally right. It just so happens all other countries that implemented strict gun policies have not found this as a problem. Additionally Of the 29,618,300 violent crimes committed between 2007 and 2011, 0.79% of victims (235,700) protected themselves with a threat of use or use of a firearm, the least-employed protective behavior. In 2010 there were 230 "justifiable homicides" in which a private citizen used a firearm to kill a felon, compared to 8,275 criminal gun homicides (or, 36 criminal homicides for every "justifiable homicide").

I believe you meant to say you "don't believe the right to self defence with a tool" that actually works well...
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I have already stated how this would be done, also why I framed my statement by per-say.

Stricter legislation on all elements of firearms and the eventual banning of at least semi-automatic weapons. The exemptions would be sporting events and circumstances where hunting is necessary or part of employment.

That would start a civil war. semi auto weapons are what most pistols are and given Heller's rulings, those who would ban such weapons should be tried for treason and then punished accordingly
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I believe you meant to say you "don't believe the right to self defence with a tool" that actually works well...

its amazing how many foreigners seem to feel a need to strip us of rights they don't have.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Are you triggered by AR15s or sexually excited?

Perhaps you are triggered that you are sexually excited by AR15s.....

I'm not the one who "needs" an AR 15 to feel like a man. In fact, those who do have serious issues, IMO.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I have stated before that if hunting is necessary or firearms are necessary for employment it personally permit it. I don't class average citizens as hunters. I would have stated "Quite simply guns should not be in the hands of your average hunter.

I don't believe the right to self defence with a tool that is murdering individuals throughout the country is morally right. It just so happens all other countries that implemented strict gun policies have not found this as a problem. Additionally Of the 29,618,300 violent crimes committed between 2007 and 2011, 0.79% of victims (235,700) protected themselves with a threat of use or use of a firearm, the least-employed protective behavior. In 2010 there were 230 "justifiable homicides" in which a private citizen used a firearm to kill a felon, compared to 8,275 criminal gun homicides (or, 36 criminal homicides for every "justifiable homicide").

From this we can see that self-defence is not the most alarming rate. There are not many amicable short term variables to the criminal homicides but there are for the justified homicides. Before you can go out on rant and state how are woman and old ladies are going to protect themselves this should be taken into account:

1) Studies have shown that an average of 10% of America don't lock there doors. Thus by locking the door you increase your security level immediately. 15% of this 10% is those above the age of 65.
2) Individuals don't always have a firearm on their person at all times, thus if this were to happen by the time the individual has been alerted it is too late.

Other security measures need to be implemented like simply locking your house before anyone can state that people need to protect themselves.

Additionally correlations can be made between rape, assaults and home invasions.

1) The time of any assault or rape was typically between the times of pm-3am, in a street or venue environment. Common sense needs to be applied in these situations not arming of weapons. https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/offenders/qa03401.asp?qaDate=2010 and https://www.fastcodesign.com/1664491/infographic-of-the-day-when-do-criminals-prowl-the-streets
2) Home Invasions and the risks associated are linked to the security you put on your house such as security doors, locking windows, locking doors, ensuring nothing valuable is left out. This is common sense.

Key academics even support this notion through detailed research "Purchasing a gun may help enrich the firearms industry, but the facts show it is unlikely to increase your personal safety,” Sugarmann said.

I will keep mine. Anti gunner data is notoriously suspect. Molon Labe.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I'm not the one who "needs" an AR 15 to feel like a man. In fact, those who do have serious issues, IMO.

Your OPINION is noted.... Does this fall on veterans who prefer something familiar? How about people who just like the weapon?

BTW - I have no personal need for an AR15.... I have a 12 gauge and a .357.... The 12 gauge does FAR more damage and the .357 is back up.

My wife has a 12 gauge and a .357 of her own... Because she needs to feel like a man?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Your OPINION is noted.... Does this fall on veterans who prefer something familiar? How about people who just like the weapon?

BTW - I have no personal need for an AR15.... I have a 12 gauge and a .357.... The 12 gauge does FAR more damage and the .357 is back up.

My wife has a 12 gauge and a .357 of her own... Because she needs to feel like a man?

Methinks someone is taking this a wee bit too personal. :roll:

besides, last time I looked, a shotgun and semi auto handgun were not an AR15.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Oh dear.......you just admitted what the American gun-haters NEVER admit.

:mrgreen:

Their strategy is to NEVER admit their goal is confiscation of all guns.

I guess you Australians are more comfortable with that.......but it could never happen here anyway.........we have a Constitution.

:thumbs:

I am not part of any group or agenda, rather I can state what I feel is necessary (within reason)

Additionally "all" guns is implying far too much. I still believe that if necessary for hunting, sporting events and employment it should be permitted. Don't warp my words.

I guess you Americas are more comfortable with the deaths of over 33,000 a year by firearms..........but it could never happen here anyway......we have strict firearm legislation.

Once again I point out.....a document that contradicts, a document written 225 years ago, a document written in the context of 1 million Americans (700,000 of which were slaves), a document that has been interpreted a dozen times, a document that the Framers’ created to organize the new nation to defend itself against what they assumed would be infrequent foreign invasions, a document the Framers created as they saw a nation sheltered on one side by an ocean and on the other side by a vast wilderness, not a world of jets and intercontinental ballistic missiles.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Methinks someone is taking this a wee bit too personal. :roll:

Am I calling into question the manhood of thousands upon thousands of good honest and law abiding citizens?\

Does this fall on veterans who prefer something familiar? How about people who just like the weapon?

besides, last time I looked, a shotgun and semi auto handgun were not an AR15.


And... DERP... I have no personal need for an AR15....
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

That would start a civil war. semi auto weapons are what most pistols are and given Heller's rulings, those who would ban such weapons should be tried for treason and then punished accordingly

How so???

There hasn't been a civil war in Australia, UK, Scotland, Japan, Germany, India or New Zealand.

In fact it is the opposite you arm the people and you open yourself to civil war. So according to you what will these individuals fight with if they are disarmed??

Republican senator Dean Heller whose campaign was NRA funded, hardly a reputable source.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Am I calling into question the manhood of thousands upon thousands of good honest and law abiding citizens?\

Does this fall on veterans who prefer something familiar? How about people who just like the weapon?




And... DERP... I have no personal need for an AR15....

IMO, anyone in "need" of an AR15 has penis issues. It is what it is.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Anyone posting anything like that has a missing penis issue....

Does your slur fall on veterans who prefer something familiar?

If they want something familiar, they should reenlist.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Your derision of veterans is noted...

I'm not buying the red herring. If vets yearn for "the feel" of a military grade weapon, they should reenlist.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

IMO, anyone in "need" of an AR15 has penis issues. It is what it is.

what a stupid post. seems that its the gun banners who are fixated on penises.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I am not part of any group or agenda, rather I can state what I feel is necessary (within reason)

Additionally "all" guns is implying far too much. I still believe that if necessary for hunting, sporting events and employment it should be permitted. Don't warp my words.

I guess you Americas are more comfortable with the deaths of over 33,000 a year by firearms..........but it could never happen here anyway......we have strict firearm legislation.

Once again I point out.....a document that contradicts, a document written 225 years ago, a document written in the context of 1 million Americans (700,000 of which were slaves), a document that has been interpreted a dozen times, a document that the Framers’ created to organize the new nation to defend itself against what they assumed would be infrequent foreign invasions, a document the Framers created as they saw a nation sheltered on one side by an ocean and on the other side by a vast wilderness, not a world of jets and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

You are totally full of crap.......I guess it's not your fault, you seem to be parroting misinformation fed to you by the gun-haters.

The Constitution is not in question. It's set in stone.

If Americans didn't support it we could call for the Second Amendment to be rescinded ...... and we would never do that......so your claims that Americans DON'T support it are ludicrous.

Your 33,000 deaths are almost entirely suicides and killings by thugs in urban ghettos and justified law enforcement killing of thugs and good citizen killing of thugs.

Unjustified killings by good citizen gun owners are rare and a small percentage of that 33,000.

Lumping it all together into 33,000 killings is dishonest and everybody (in this country) is aware of it.

You are from Australia and don't know much. I forgive you for that and for your meddling.

You probably mean well.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

There hasn't been a civil war in Australia, UK, Scotland, Japan, Germany, India or New Zealand.

LOL! Those ***** places are sure not the U.S.

We thrive on civil war.

:thumbs:
 
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