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Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Not if he knows what he's doin. AR15s are for hunters who don't know what they're doin.

How so? Do they aim the gun for you or something? By such "logic" we can say anything other than a single shot gun is for "poor hunters".
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Why do you need an AR?

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re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

There's two sides to the equation... on one hand, there's the shooter committing the crime and on the other, there's the weaponry he/she uses. If we're going to effectively confront the problem, then we've got to address both sides. We need more awareness and easier availability to mental health resources... but we also need to acknowledge that these kinds of incidents are still going to occur, and when they do happen, the relatively easy availability of semi-auto rifles makes them worse than they have to be.

If you take my airplane crash investigation metaphor a step further, crashes rarely happen because one single thing goes wrong. It's usually a lot of things going wrong that causes a cascade and leads to the disaster. Lots of times there's pilot error involved... but maybe there was a design fault in the aircraft itself that exacerbated the pilot error and led to the crash. In cases like that, it's not good enough to blame the pilot and leave it at that... you also need to look at what changes can be made to make the airplane's design safer so the same mistakes don't happen again. We need to look at the problem from all sides... wouldn't you agree?

Sigh still blaming an inanimate objects.

Hand guns kill more people than rifles.
The only way to prevent it is to stop it before it happens.

Banning them will not stop them.
They will simply try something else like the package bombs going off in Austin.

If your airplane example was relevant then maybe but it isn't.
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Loading? No... If I chamber 5 bullets, though, then yes.

You better not unless you have the stamps.
Clambering 5 bullets means that you have 5 shots not that you are going to kill 5 deer.

That is absurd logic.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

I watched every second. If that was all you heard, YOU should watch it. In fact he never even said what you said was all you heard "You cant ask us anything"

Try listening to what he says, not what you WISH he said.
I watched it until it became clear that it was 100% bull****, Poor gun bubbas geting their toys taken away.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Sigh still blaming an inanimate objects.

Hand guns kill more people than rifles.
The only way to prevent it is to stop it before it happens.

Banning them will not stop them.
They will simply try something else like the package bombs going off in Austin.

If your airplane example was relevant then maybe but it isn't.
Brilliant remark , neither is nerve gas, it's not the nerve gas, its the guy who dumped it, Another mono brained comment from the gun bubbas .
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Your opinion is duly noted, and filed in the round file.
Poor baby , a guy who has to have a m16 is the guy that would never leave the house without his lifts in his shoes. Me big guy, me macho, bang bang!
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Why do mass shooters not use full auto's? The Las Vegas guy used a bump stock to increase his rate of fire, why didn't he get a full auto? Could it be that they are well regulated, where semi's are not?
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

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The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill was crafted in response to members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods while they were conducting what would later be termed copwatching.[1] They garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[2][3][4]

AB-1591 was authored by Don Mulford (R) from Oakland, John T. Knox (D) from Richmond, Walter J. Karabian (D) from Monterey Park, Alan Sieroty (D) from Los Angeles, and William M. Ketchum (R) from Bakersfield,[5] it passed both Assembly (controlled by Democrats 42:38) and Senate (split 20:20) and was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan on July 28. The law banned the carrying of loaded weapons in public. [6]

Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control. Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the protesters arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."[7]

The bill was signed by Reagan and became California penal code 25850 and 171c.
Without lies and distortions ,these hater wouldn't exist.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Why do mass shooters not use full auto's? The Las Vegas guy used a bump stock to increase his rate of fire, why didn't he get a full auto? Could it be that they are well regulated, where semi's are not?
Ya it's funny gun bubbas spend every day of their life, saying that the left is trying to take their guns away, while at the same time they can buy a tank and arm it , a piece of artillery and arm it or many types of machine guns and they can set them all up in the front yard to threaten their neighbors. Ya you bet. The real threat to the second is the, I demand it all ,gun bubbas like half of the people on this board.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

Why do mass shooters not use full auto's? The Las Vegas guy used a bump stock to increase his rate of fire, why didn't he get a full auto? Could it be that they are well regulated, where semi's are not?

It seems obvious at least that THAT gun control works
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

How so? Do they aim the gun for you or something? By such "logic" we can say anything other than a single shot gun is for "poor hunters".
The make believe fantacy world of the gun bubbas,
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Why else hunt with an AR?

Unless you wanted to take out the whole herd....
People who just want to kill for killing sake use the M16, or people who want all their meat turned into hamburger shoot them with a M16. It just makes them feel like big shots when they own one of these man killers.
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

My point is, say an AR hunter loads 25 into the magazine. That no more means he intends to fire all 25 anymore than the mag on a bolt action loaded with 5.

I'll be honest with you... it's hard to envision a scenario where 5 shots would be necessary. It's utterly impossible to imagine one where 25 would be.

I don't take the first shot unless I'm pretty sure it's going to hit.... but I'm not perfect and sometimes I miss the heart. If I miss the animal completely, there's no second shot. I'm not going to get a clean shot on the run. If I wing it on the first shot, I'll take another one to put it down. I can't recall ever taking a third shot at a deer, but that's what I usually load.... maybe if it was still wounded and mobile after being hit twice?

So 25 is incomprehensible to me.
 
re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243, 2001]

You gun bubbas have to keep in mind that the court can interpret the meaning of any bill they wish. And they have in multiple cases as far as guns are concerned and even ultra conservative supreme court judges have interpreted the second and have said what part of over everyone gets a gun is unacceptable. And have regulated you gun bubbas and your guns from the bench,
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

People who just want to kill for killing sake use the M16, or people who want all their meat turned into hamburger shoot them with a M16. It just makes them feel like big shots when they own one of these man killers.

Maybe.

I figure people's motivations are their own business. My only concern is that benefits we as a society enjoy from having easy access to semi-auto rifles don't come anywhere near the price we pay for being able to possess them. Who knows? Maybe the price isn't so bad for some people if someone else ends up paying it? If it's always someone else's kid who ends up dead.

I've seen a lot of people online and at NRA conventions give big pro-gun speeches. Out of my cold, dead hands. Clenched fist of freedom and all the rest. But you know, I can't recall ever seeing a parent who lost a child in one of these school shootings ever give one of those speeches. Is that what it's going to take before we start taking concrete action? Until it gets to the point where enough people lose kids, grand-kids, nephews , nieces and cousins to these kinds of incidents?
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I'll be honest with you... it's hard to envision a scenario where 5 shots would be necessary. It's utterly impossible to imagine one where 25 would be.

I don't take the first shot unless I'm pretty sure it's going to hit.... but I'm not perfect and sometimes I miss the heart. If I miss the animal completely, there's no second shot. I'm not going to get a clean shot on the run. If I wing it on the first shot, I'll take another one to put it down. I can't recall ever taking a third shot at a deer, but that's what I usually load.... maybe if it was still wounded and mobile after being hit twice?

So 25 is incomprehensible to me.

I would guess most hunters don't take the 30 round mags a field. The normal 10 round one is probably the norm.
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Maybe.

I figure people's motivations are their own business. My only concern is that benefits we as a society enjoy from having easy access to semi-auto rifles don't come anywhere near the price we pay for being able to possess them. Who knows? Maybe the price isn't so bad for some people if someone else ends up paying it? If it's always someone else's kid who ends up dead.

I've seen a lot of people online and at NRA conventions give big pro-gun speeches. Out of my cold, dead hands. Clenched fist of freedom and all the rest. But you know, I can't recall ever seeing a parent who lost a child in one of these school shootings ever give one of those speeches. Is that what it's going to take before we start taking concrete action? Until it gets to the point where enough people lose kids, grand-kids, nephews , nieces and cousins to these kinds of incidents?
The US has a high tolerance for bloodshed. I thought after sandy hook the country would be up and arms and action would be swift. Those were little kids. But if that won't do it I am not sure what will.
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

I would guess most hunters don't take the 30 round mags a field. The normal 10 round one is probably the norm.

depends on what you are hunting-feral pigs, coyotes or wild dogs are tailor-made for 20-30 round magazine and since those are varmints/nuisance animals, normal game laws don't apply
 
Re: Why do you "need" an AR 15? [W243]

Maybe.

I figure people's motivations are their own business. My only concern is that benefits we as a society enjoy from having easy access to semi-auto rifles don't come anywhere near the price we pay for being able to possess them. Who knows? Maybe the price isn't so bad for some people if someone else ends up paying it? If it's always someone else's kid who ends up dead.

I've seen a lot of people online and at NRA conventions give big pro-gun speeches. Out of my cold, dead hands. Clenched fist of freedom and all the rest. But you know, I can't recall ever seeing a parent who lost a child in one of these school shootings ever give one of those speeches. Is that what it's going to take before we start taking concrete action? Until it gets to the point where enough people lose kids, grand-kids, nephews , nieces and cousins to these kinds of incidents?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/mark-mattioli-nra_n_2999478.html
 
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