Why do we need Bernie, and not another Democrat?

[btthegreat]

So, you just Bernie by the early results running against a hugely better known person, but for Warren, we just have to wait to see. Very fair minded. Bernie has no problems with any of those voters - unless by moderates you mean the corporatists, they do not want to vote for Bernie.

No. I am judging Bernie by different information. I have more than I do on Warren. I saw the votes as cast and where he was strong and where he was weak last time . At this stage in 2015, I was learning about O'Malley and Sanders ( preferred O'Malley) and seeing how voters were beginning to respond to Hillary post Secretary of State. At present I prefer Warren, much like I did O'Malley.

 

[Moot]

Whether Obama won or not has nothing to do with more Hillary supporters not voting for Obama, than Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary. You have Bernie Derangement Syndrome.

If it had nothing to do with it, then why did he win? I showed you why Bernie supporters cost Hillary the election. But you failed to show that Clinton voters cost Obama the election. You lose again..BernieBro.

 

[Moot]

Bernie is a f****** communist. Last century in the Korean war and the Vietnam war over 100,000 young Americans were killed by communist!!!!

This country wants nothing more to do with communism.

Okay, Joe McCarthy. How did that that red scare work out for ya?

 

[Moot]

Have you actually LOOKED at the economic status of the average American family? Their income is at record highs and family wealth has grown dramatically. Wages are high and unemployment is low. Bernie would destroy all that.

So why is the homeless rate growing?

 

[Bullseye]

So why is the homeless rate growing?

Nothing is perfect. Let's see a reference on homeless rate.

 

[Moot]

Nothing is perfect. Let's see a reference on homeless rate.

"The study has found that 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, a 0.7% increase over last year. It suggests that despite a fizzy stock market and a burgeoning gross domestic product, the poorest Americans are still struggling to meet their most basic needs..."
America's homeless population rises for the first time since the Great Recession | US news | The Guardian

"Families are the fastest growing segment of the homeless population, accounting for almost 40-50% of the nation's homeless. Lack of affordable housing is a primary cause of homelessness in families; often one or both parents are working, but not making a livable wage..."
Facts & Statistics •


"Income growth has not kept pace with rents, leading to an affordability crunch with cascading effects that, for people on the bottom economic rung, increases the risk of homelessness..."
Homelessness Rises Faster Where Rent Exceeds a Third of Income - Zillow Research

 

[Craig234]

If it had nothing to do with it, then why did he win? I showed you why Bernie supporters cost Hillary the election. But you failed to show that Clinton voters cost Obama the election. You lose again..BernieBro.

A hundred things cost Hillary the close election. That's not the issue, as I said. Other voters mattered a lot more in the 2008 election. Simple fact is far more Hillary voters didn't vote for Obama than Bernie, who worked his butt off to help Hillary, supporters didn't vote for Hillary. Because you are obnoxious and other things, I don't plan to read any more posts from you.

 

[Logical1]

Bernie is a friggin commie. They killed over 100,000 American men in Korea and Vietnam.

 

[Bullseye]

"The study has found that 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, a 0.7% increase over last year. It suggests that despite a fizzy stock market and a burgeoning gross domestic product, the poorest Americans are still struggling to meet their most basic needs..."
America's homeless population rises for the first time since the Great Recession | US news | The Guardian

"Families are the fastest growing segment of the homeless population, accounting for almost 40-50% of the nation's homeless. Lack of affordable housing is a primary cause of homelessness in families; often one or both parents are working, but not making a livable wage..."
Facts & Statistics •


"Income growth has not kept pace with rents, leading to an affordability crunch with cascading effects that, for people on the bottom economic rung, increases the risk of homelessness..."
Homelessness Rises Faster Where Rent Exceeds a Third of Income - Zillow Research

Ok, thanks for providing data, although I would point out most of it is a year old. Housing is a problem as it has been for a long time.

 

[Craig234]

Bernie is a friggin commie. They killed over 100,000 American men in Korea and Vietnam.

You're a rock. They have fallen and crushed a lot of people.

 

[Moot]

Ok, thanks for providing data, although I would point out most of it is a year old. Housing is a problem as it has been for a long time.

That's because reports for 2019 don't usually come out until after the year has ended. A growing housing problem in a good economy suggests that wages are still stagnant and the economy isn't that great.

 

[Port & Starboard]

It's not because of his healthcare policy, his student debt policy, his minimum wage policy, or other specific policies. Those might be good reasons for him to win, but they're not the main reason.

The reason isn't about any specific policy this election. It's about the direction of the country, which took a wrong turn with Nixon/Reagan, toward plutocracy, where all the economic wealth was shifted away from the American people and to the few most wealthy - and power followed, to where our democracy is heavily corrupt.

We need a change in direction for the country, not shifting some numbers here and there as we continue the plutocracy.

And only Bernie seems to really understand that and to want to change the direction of the country back to its traditional values, of government that serves the people.

Democracy is more and more attacked, destroyed, weakened the longer the plutocracy continues, as the courts are packed with plutocrats who are re-writing the constitution (e.g., money is speech) to cement the plutocracy in place and remove the people's power.

Bernie is a historic candidate. More need to understand that. Electing him won't fix things alone - as he says, that's the start to fixing things if the people have a political revolution as well as electing him to lead it.

Words like 'revolution' are scary to people, but they shouldn't be. We had a 'bad' revolution, the 'Reagan revolution', which put us on plutocracy.

This is a return to normal American values - when a 10% increase in the economy tends to benefit everyone 10%, instead of only the most rich taking it all, as they have for decades, leading to record inequality.

We can't afford to keep the same thing we've been doing 40 years going - electing fast plutocracy under Republicans and slower plutocracy under centrist Democrats. The American people should get the big increase in wealth and power that would come from Bernie's policies as we restore democracy.

Progressives are already bed wetting about the deficit.

What will they do when he raises it another 50%

A warm bath with a pack of razor blades?

 

[Bullseye]

That's because reports for 2019 don't usually come out until after the year has ended. A growing housing problem in a good economy suggests that wages are still stagnant and the economy isn't that great.

Not really. Wages aren't stagnant at all - they've been growing at the fastest pace in decades. What it suggests is that there are too many bureaucratic restrictions and costs impeding the construction of more moderately priced housing.

 

[Moot]

Not really. Wages aren't stagnant at all - they've been growing at the fastest pace in decades. What it suggests is that there are too many bureaucratic restrictions and costs impeding the construction of more moderately priced housing.

When accounted for inflation, wages are actually going down, not up. And too, the cost of housing and rising prices has far outpaced the meager rise in wages.

"Rising prices have erased U.S. workers’ meager wage gains, the latest sign strong economic growth has not translated into greater prosperity for the middle and working classes.

Cost of living was up 2.9 percent from July 2017 to July 2018, the Labor Department reported Friday, an inflation rate that outstripped a 2.7 percent increase in wages over the same period. The average U.S. “real wage,” a federal measure of pay that takes inflation into account, fell to $10.76 an hour last month, 2 cents down from where it was a year ago.

The stagnation in pay defies U.S. growth, which has increased in the past year and topped 4 percent in the second quarter of 2018 — the highest rate since mid-2014.

The lack of wage growth has befuddled economists and policymakers, who hoped that after job openings hit record highs and the unemployment rate dipped to the lowest level in decades, employers would give beefy raises to attract and retain workers. But so far, gains have been slight, and small recent increases are being eclipsed by rising prices...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...h-is-getting-wiped-out-entirely-by-inflation/​

Yes, the article is over a year old (Feb. 2018) but not much as changed since then. Wages still aren't keeping up with inflation and the cost of living. But don't you love that term..."the cost of living?" It's like if you don't make enough money you don't deserve to live.

 

[iguanaman]

It's not because of his healthcare policy, his student debt policy, his minimum wage policy, or other specific policies. Those might be good reasons for him to win, but they're not the main reason.

The reason isn't about any specific policy this election. It's about the direction of the country, which took a wrong turn with Nixon/Reagan, toward plutocracy, where all the economic wealth was shifted away from the American people and to the few most wealthy - and power followed, to where our democracy is heavily corrupt.

We need a change in direction for the country, not shifting some numbers here and there as we continue the plutocracy.

And only Bernie seems to really understand that and to want to change the direction of the country back to its traditional values, of government that serves the people.

Democracy is more and more attacked, destroyed, weakened the longer the plutocracy continues, as the courts are packed with plutocrats who are re-writing the constitution (e.g., money is speech) to cement the plutocracy in place and remove the people's power.

Bernie is a historic candidate. More need to understand that. Electing him won't fix things alone - as he says, that's the start to fixing things if the people have a political revolution as well as electing him to lead it.

Words like 'revolution' are scary to people, but they shouldn't be. We had a 'bad' revolution, the 'Reagan revolution', which put us on plutocracy.

This is a return to normal American values - when a 10% increase in the economy tends to benefit everyone 10%, instead of only the most rich taking it all, as they have for decades, leading to record inequality.

We can't afford to keep the same thing we've been doing 40 years going - electing fast plutocracy under Republicans and slower plutocracy under centrist Democrats. The American people should get the big increase in wealth and power that would come from Bernie's policies as we restore democracy.

So you are looking forward to the treasure trove of dirt that Putin has on Bernie? You want to see him painted red with videos of his honeymoon in Moscow? You are a glutton for punishment then.

 

[Bullseye]

When accounted for inflation, wages are actually going down, not up. And too, the cost of housing and rising prices has far outpaced the meager rise in wages.

"Rising prices have erased U.S. workers’ meager wage gains, the latest sign strong economic growth has not translated into greater prosperity for the middle and working classes.

Cost of living was up 2.9 percent from July 2017 to July 2018, the Labor Department reported Friday, an inflation rate that outstripped a 2.7 percent increase in wages over the same period. The average U.S. “real wage,” a federal measure of pay that takes inflation into account, fell to $10.76 an hour last month, 2 cents down from where it was a year ago.

The stagnation in pay defies U.S. growth, which has increased in the past year and topped 4 percent in the second quarter of 2018 — the highest rate since mid-2014.

The lack of wage growth has befuddled economists and policymakers, who hoped that after job openings hit record highs and the unemployment rate dipped to the lowest level in decades, employers would give beefy raises to attract and retain workers. But so far, gains have been slight, and small recent increases are being eclipsed by rising prices...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...h-is-getting-wiped-out-entirely-by-inflation/​

Yes, the article is over a year old (Feb. 2018) but not much as changed since then. Wages still aren't keeping up with inflation and the cost of living. But don't you love that term..."the cost of living?" It's like if you don't make enough money you don't deserve to live.

A lot has changed: Bureau of Labor Statistics have reported year over year wage grow averaging 3.3% or more and CPI growth has been around 2%.

 

[Moot]

A lot has changed: Bureau of Labor Statistics have reported year over year wage grow averaging 3.3% or more and CPI growth has been around 2%.

That was a projection. Real wage growth was 0.9%....

Real average weekly earnings up 0.9 percent from September 2018 to September 2019

OCTOBER 17, 2019

Real average hourly earnings for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls increased 1.2 percent from September 2018 to September 2019. The increase in real average hourly earnings and a 0.3-percent decrease in the average workweek resulted in a 0.9-percent increase in real average weekly earnings over the 12 months ending in September 2019.

BLS

The inflation rate is 1.7%. Wages increases aren't keeping up with inflation. It's like the more people work, the poorer they seem to get.

 

[Craig234]

So you are looking forward to the treasure trove of dirt that Putin has on Bernie? You want to see him painted red with videos of his honeymoon in Moscow? You are a glutton for punishment then.

Not worried about anything Putin has.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood Bernie isn't a Democratic party member?

 

[Bullseye]

That was a projection. Real wage growth was 0.9%....


BLS

The inflation rate is 1.7%. Wages increases aren't keeping up with inflation. It's like the more people work, the poorer they seem to get.

This shows different

 

[charliebrown]

Been there and done that with the entire Hope and Change thing. We hoped for change for eight years and watched the top 1% attain 95% of the wealth gains.
Bernie Sanders can get elected, but he will not change this system because there are 100 senators and 435 Congress members who are bought and paid for by special interests.

You can vote for him, but you can also bet that that man will not get a single thing he wants done accomplished.

 

[Moot]

This shows different

Of course it does because it shows the nominal wage growth which is different than real wage growth.

Nominal wage growth isn't adjusted for inflation, whereas real wage growth is.

 

[Moot]

Been there and done that with the entire Hope and Change thing. We hoped for change for eight years and watched the top 1% attain 95% of the wealth gains.
Bernie Sanders can get elected, but he will not change this system because there are 100 senators and 435 Congress members who are bought and paid for by special interests.

You can vote for him, but you can also bet that that man will not get a single thing he wants done accomplished.

That's what I'm afraid of, too.

 

[Moot]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood Bernie isn't a Democratic party member?

Not officially, but he consistently votes with democrats and they support his re-election campaigns.

 

[Bullseye]

This shows different

Oops, here's the graph I meant to attach