Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings[W:465]

[Cardinal]

If you have to ask, further discussion is useless.

Since you’re unwilling to explain why you write the things you write, I’ll go with my first response, which is that you see gun owners as the real victims in this shooting.

 

[Lursa]

At what point are students allowed to feel like part of a targetted group? If every month or so a psycho killer invaded a Catholic church and slaughtered Catholics, would Catholics be entitled to feel like they're being targetted and demand something be done?
Know what would get results really quickly? If every month or so a psycho killer invaded a state legislature and slaughtered politicians. 2, maybe 3 months tops. That's how long it would take for action to be taken.

While there is no justification, none, for these shootings, some of these kids might starting thinking a little bit more about how they treat each other.

Also, in the past, bullied kids could beat the crap out of their bullies once they'd had enough (or at least try). Today, they get punished as much or more than the bully if they physically fight back. FIghting back is a natural response...and sometimes even fixes the problem. We've taken that solution away. But they still feel the need to fight back some way.

 

[mike2810]

Good joke. You should tell that to the families of the ten murdered children and teachers. I'll bet they would find it to be a real knee slapper.

Your post 55 , "100% of shootings are carried out by people using guns. I'll blame the guns. ", You should tell that to the parents of the ones killed. Explain to them that the shooter is not responsible for the deaths and injuries.

 

[jimbo]

Yes.....make it personal. Did you know you can have guns and gun control tough guy? Lol

You can, but you won't. There will always be another weapon that needs banning.

Supporters of the second amendment know that.

 

[Bullseye]

Since you’re unwilling to explain why you write the things you write, I’ll go with my first response, which is that you see gun owners as the real victims in this shooting.

You have a constitutional right to speak freely even when what you say something mindless. And I fully support that right.

 

[j-mac]

You can, but you won't. There will always be another weapon that needs banning.

Supporters of the second amendment know that.

Mark Kelly was on FNC Sunday show with Chris Wallace yesterday, and actually called the shotgun used a "semi automatic shotgun"....What the hell...? Throwing out terminology about gun nomenclature that is inaccurate is what muddies up this whole food fight argument....He's not doing his cause any favors by trying to make a shotgun sound more ominous than it is....

 

[Casper]

Mark Kelly was on FNC Sunday show with Chris Wallace yesterday, and actually called the shotgun used a "semi automatic shotgun"....What the hell...? Throwing out terminology about gun nomenclature that is inaccurate is what muddies up this whole food fight argument....He's not doing his cause any favors by trying to make a shotgun sound more ominous than it is....

Not arguing, but there are semiautomatic shotguns, does it matter, not really, but not sure how calling it what it is means what you are claiming.

 

[Sweden]

In our country MOST kids do not face this risk either.

Thanks for another example of an emotional appeal overriding rational thought.

No, in the US ALL children face the risk of being shot in class, because of the easy availability of guns. The risk is of course small but greater than it is in, say, any European country.

 

[j-mac]

Not arguing, but there are semiautomatic shotguns, does it matter, not really, but not sure how calling it what it is means what you are claiming.

Well, it's simple....See, using the proper nomenclature of the weapons used by this troubled young man against his classmates would not play into the narrative those like Mr. Kelly want to put forth in terms of making all guns sound like they are mass killing devices and therefore must be banned en total....It is dishonest, and wrong...If we can't even agree on what the weapons are, then how in the world can we have any real conversation about what to do about these situations?

 

[Deuce]

Mark Kelly was on FNC Sunday show with Chris Wallace yesterday, and actually called the shotgun used a "semi automatic shotgun"....What the hell...? Throwing out terminology about gun nomenclature that is inaccurate is what muddies up this whole food fight argument....He's not doing his cause any favors by trying to make a shotgun sound more ominous than it is....

I’ve said this many times:

When someone cries out “assault rifles are killing our children!” The least useful response in the entire universe is “that’s a carbine!”

 

[Ikari]

There are 50 million public school students (31 deaths)

5 million private school students (including home schooled) (0 deaths)

It's an interesting dynamic, I think that we don't see any of this occur at private schools. Though I guess if we're going to scale it, we'd expect 3 deaths at the private school and perhaps that's still small enough that things can be policed properly within the private school system that it could be caught before anything happened. But I do wonder if it's just perhaps demographics (since private schools can choose their students) or if there is something else going on in the private school system that would promote fewer shootings.

 

[j-mac]

I’ve said this many times:

When someone cries out “assault rifles are killing our children!” The least useful response in the entire universe is “that’s a carbine!”

Useful in what way Deuce? Please, explain why it is that you have to distort language to make your points? Is it that you know that what you really want to see going forward is unconstitutional, and unacceptable to the American people, so you think that trying to be cute about what you really want will help?

 

[Deuce]

Useful in what way Deuce? Please, explain why it is that you have to distort language to make your points? Is it that you know that what you really want to see going forward is unconstitutional, and unacceptable to the American people, so you think that trying to be cute about what you really want will help?

Keep pushing up your gun nerd glasses if you want. “Um, ackhtually guys that’s not an assault rifle because the muzzle velocity is less than PPPBBBTTTTTT” That’s not going to convince anyone looking at the bodies of dead children.

 

[j-mac]

Keep pushing up your gun nerd glasses if you want. “Um, ackhtually guys that’s not an assault rifle because the muzzle velocity is less than PPPBBBTTTTTT” That’s not going to convince anyone looking at the bodies of dead children.

I'm not playing this BS with you Deuce...I asked you a straight forward question, and you don't have the integrity to answer it like an adult...Go bleat somewhere else, adults are talking here.

 

[j-mac]

It's an interesting dynamic, I think that we don't see any of this occur at private schools. Though I guess if we're going to scale it, we'd expect 3 deaths at the private school and perhaps that's still small enough that things can be policed properly within the private school system that it could be caught before anything happened. But I do wonder if it's just perhaps demographics (since private schools can choose their students) or if there is something else going on in the private school system that would promote fewer shootings.

Probably not so much as "Choosing their students" as it is choosing their teaching staff more carefully....

 

[Manc Skipper]

So more children have died in school this year than military service members

 

[Thoreau72]

From CNN

Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings
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In October, 2017, the worst mass shooting in US history took place at a country music concert in Las Vegas. Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 people injured. Bill O'Reilly boiled the massacre down to six words: "This is the price of freedom."

I hate to say it, but he is right. Sunday, just 34 days after Vegas, 26 people were gunned down and about 20 others were wounded during a church service in Texas. And here's what is really sick -- we won't be surprised when there's another mass shooting next month. Maybe it'll be your church, your mall, your concert or your movie theater. That's the price of freedom.


In America, we are free to stockpile weapons. We are free to order ammo online. We are free to outfit our guns with bump stocks, like the Vegas shooter did. This is the price we pay for freedom, alright. The freedom to not give a damn.

COMMENT:-

Is the comment about "The freedom to not give a damn." COMPLETELY off base?​

May I ask what it is that Americans are SUPPOSED to do about this? Aside from weeping and gnashing teeth, what are we SUPPOSED to do?

 

[Casper]

Well, it's simple....See, using the proper nomenclature of the weapons used by this troubled young man against his classmates would not play into the narrative those like Mr. Kelly want to put forth in terms of making all guns sound like they are mass killing devices and therefore must be banned en total....It is dishonest, and wrong...If we can't even agree on what the weapons are, then how in the world can we have any real conversation about what to do about these situations?

Do you know what type of SG was used, I tried finding it but was unsuccessful. Found a good article on Texas Monthly, sorry did not get the link, good read though, check it out, you will know which it is easily.

 

[Casper]

So more children have died in school this year than military service members

How many were killed in school and how many elsewhere?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

(Sigh)

Just like we won't be surprised when there is another bombing, truck/car running over groups of people, mass knife attacks, arsons, assaults, rapes, etc.. etc., etc..

PEOPLE cause harm, the tools they use to do so are merely a chosen method.
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There is not a single criminal profiler that would agree with that statement. Most mass murderers and serial killers choose their weapon based upon what gets them off. A mass shooter uses a gun because that is what gets him off. It is not uncommon for them to be sexually aroused during their act. A knife for that person would not give them the same gratification. Similarly, someone that stabs people to death does so because that is what gets them off. I am pointing this out because there is this notion that a killer is a killer and will kill by any means at their disposal. That usually is not the case though. Typically, a mass murder chooses their weapon based upon what it does for them.

For example, a guy that gets off strangling women to death will not switch to shooting them if he breaks one of his hands. He will stop until he can do what gets him off. The killing is just a side effect of what gets him off, the strangulation. Similarly, a guy that gets off walking into a school or other public place and walking around shooting people, does so because that act gets him off. If he did not have access to a gun, he would not necessarily switch to other means. He probably would just wait until he could get a gun.

The only exceptions to this are political terrorism. For example, during the train station stabbings in China, terrorists used knives because they could not get access to guns.

 

[vegas giants]

May I ask what it is that Americans are SUPPOSED to do about this? Aside from weeping and gnashing teeth, what are we SUPPOSED to do?

We are SUPPOSED to do what every other developed nation has done to help prevent this stuff. Its not rocket science. Its gun control

 

[vegas giants]

They do? 130 innocents killed in 2015 is "working well".

My god I wish we had the numbers they did last year

 

[jimbo]

Mark Kelly was on FNC Sunday show with Chris Wallace yesterday, and actually called the shotgun used a "semi automatic shotgun"....What the hell...? Throwing out terminology about gun nomenclature that is inaccurate is what muddies up this whole food fight argument....He's not doing his cause any favors by trying to make a shotgun sound more ominous than it is....

But that's the problem. Banners, and make no mistake, they are banners., have moved the goal posts from assault style, which are gussied up semi autos, to semi autos, which includes most weapons currently in use, hoping nobody notices. The exceptions are single shots, bolts, revolvers, slides, and levers. We noticed. We're not buying it.

 

[vegas giants]

But that's the problem. Banners, and make no mistake, they are banners., have moved the goal posts from assault style, which are gussied up semi autos, to semi autos, which includes most weapons currently in use, hoping nobody notices. The exceptions are single shots, bolts, revolvers, slides, and levers. We noticed. We're not buying it.

Gun rubbers only plan is expanded thoughts and prayers.

 

[Casper]

Gun rubbers only plan is expanded thoughts and prayers.

Lie, as always. Many suggestions have been made and you and your ilk reject them all, at this point everyone here knows what your only agenda is, and it has little to do with school safety.