Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings[W:465]

[TU Curmudgeon]

"“To conquer a nation, one must first disarm its citizens.” ~Adolf Hitler

Dude you have the same stance as Hitler!

Since the "Hitler quote" is a total fabrication, I will give your position all the consideration that it deserves.

 

[mike2810]

100% of shootings are carried out by people using guns. I'll blame the guns.

lol.

100% of vehicle accidents are carried out by people using a vehicle. Do you blame the vehicle?

I am hoping your post was just being sarcastic.

 

[jimbo]

American children do not “risk their lives” when they show up to school each morning — or at least, not nearly as much as they do whenever they ride in a car, swim in a pool, or put food in their mouths (an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a mass shooting committed in any location is 1 in 11,125; of dying in a car accident is 1 and 491; of drowning is 1 in 1,133; and of choking on food is 1 in 3,461). Criminal victimization in American schools has collapsed in tandem with the overall crime rate, leaving U.S. classrooms safer today than at any time in recent memory.

There Is No ?Epidemic of Mass School Shootings?

More kids die on their way to school than die after they arrive.

 

[jimbo]

lol.

100% of vehicle accidents are carried out by people using a vehicle. Do you blame the vehicle?

I am hoping your post was just being sarcastic.

Based on prior posts, it wasn't.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't think that there is a way to completely stop school shootings.

Making sure that people don't think that slaughtering school children because they can't get laid (which means that they get famous [and if you get famous enough SOMEONE will have sex with you]) might be a good place to start.

 

[jimbo]

The NRA really needs better meme writers.

The NRA? Where did that come from?

 

[vegas giants]

More kids die on their way to school than die after they arrive.

But in America they get shot in math class

 

[jimbo]

Not in other developed nations

That makes less sense.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

100% of shootings are carried out by people using guns. I'll blame the guns.

Not a single gun committed a mass school shooting without being entrapped into doing so by some human.

Guns were the victims.

Don't blame the victims.

 

[jimbo]

But in America they get shot in math class

And less sense.

 

[mike2810]

All this talk about changing gun laws. Here is my take. We have enough gun laws. Just maybe we should look at how kids are being raised, what morals are taught at home, impact social media has on the kids, impact of the type of video games they play, and impact of drugs/alcohol on people. There has to be an underlying problem that is driving young people and others to do these mass shootings.

 

[Cardinal]

lol.

100% of vehicle accidents are carried out by people using a vehicle. Do you blame the vehicle?

I am hoping your post was just being sarcastic.

I like the car analogy. You have to take a competency test before you can drive one, have to retake that test every few years, have to pay to renew your permit once a year to legally drive it, have to be a minimum age, and have to keep insurance in case you harm other people or their property, and have to keep it in a certain state of repair to be on the road. I think the standards applied to cars would be terrific to apply to guns.

 

[Cardinal]

All this talk about changing gun laws. Here is my take. We have enough gun laws.

We have an average of 10,000 firearm-related murders per year, so that is clearly false.

 

[mike2810]

Based on prior posts, it wasn't.

I figured as much. Not much logic in his post.

It is one thing to have a defective product that causes someone to die. Someone using a gun/car to kill or harm is another. It all boils down to the person not the weapon used.

 

[mike2810]

I like the car analogy. You have to take a competency test before you can drive one, have to retake that test every few years, have to pay to renew your permit once a year to legally drive it, have to be a minimum age, and have to keep insurance in case you harm other people or their property, and have to keep it in a certain state of repair to be on the road. I think the standards applied to cars would be terrific to apply to guns.

You are moving the goal post a bit. Noted you did not answer the question. I take it then you would blame the vehicle and not the driver. That is what you did in your statement about guns. You blamed the gun. The logic error is yours.

 

[Rogue Valley]

To some degree, mass shootings constitute another emerging manifestation of Citizens United.

Our federal/state legislators owe their loyalty and longevity to influential donors ... wealthy and powerful corporations/organizations/lobbies.

 

[Cardinal]

You are moving the goal post a bit. Noted you did not answer the question. I take it then you would blame the vehicle and not the driver. That is what you did in your statement about guns. You blamed the gun. The logic error is yours.

You introduced the car analogy, and I like it. Thousands of car-related have lead to numerous regulations to reduce them. Adopting similar measures for guns would be fantastic.

 

[jimbo]

We have an average of 10,000 firearm-related murders per year, so that is clearly false.

What that proves is more laws, even "common sense" laws, aren't the solution.

 

[mike2810]

We have an average of 10,000 firearm-related murders per year, so that is clearly false.

Meaningless statement on your part. We have laws against robberies, assault, rape, speeding, etc. Some still steal, assault people, rape and speed in cars. All those laws making it illegal sure stopped those illegal actions. :mrgreen:

 

[camlok]

All this talk about changing gun laws. Here is my take. We have enough gun laws. Just maybe we should look at how kids are being raised, what morals are taught at home, impact social media has on the kids, impact of the type of video games they play, and impact of drugs/alcohol on people. There has to be an underlying problem that is driving young people and others to do these mass shootings.

Of course there is an underlying problem, mike. The USA is a war mongering nation. That instills violence in everyone, because as you well know, most adults fully support their governments' murder of millions of dark skinned people. Teaching that that is part of the American way greatly diminishes respect for human life.

The constant war mongering teaches American kids that violence is the preferred way to deal with things.

 

[vegas giants]

What that proves is more laws, even "common sense" laws, aren't the solution.

Except they work in every other developed country

 

[camlok]

What that proves is more laws, even "common sense" laws, aren't the solution.

The NRA doesn't do common sense.

 

[Cardinal]

Meaningless statement on your part. We have laws against robberies, assault, rape, speeding, etc. Some still steal, assault people, rape and speed in cars. All those laws making it illegal sure stopped those illegal actions. :mrgreen:

We have laws to reduce the number of times those crimes occur. Most people agree that when crime goes over a certain rate, people feel unsafe in those communities and demand better police response.

29 active duty members have died since the beginning of the year. By contrast, 31 kids have been killed in school shootings this year. When we are better able to protect our soldiers in hostile military zones, and are more inclined to donate money to the NRA in response to children being murdered by people using guns, then that is the product of a country with a diseased set of priorities.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Since the "Hitler quote" is a total fabrication, I will give your position all the consideration that it deserves.

You're a fool.

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. ~Hitler

 

[Bullseye]

From CNN

Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings
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In October, 2017, the worst mass shooting in US history took place at a country music concert in Las Vegas. Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 people injured. Bill O'Reilly boiled the massacre down to six words: "This is the price of freedom."

I hate to say it, but he is right. Sunday, just 34 days after Vegas, 26 people were gunned down and about 20 others were wounded during a church service in Texas. And here's what is really sick -- we won't be surprised when there's another mass shooting next month. Maybe it'll be your church, your mall, your concert or your movie theater. That's the price of freedom.


In America, we are free to stockpile weapons. We are free to order ammo online. We are free to outfit our guns with bump stocks, like the Vegas shooter did. This is the price we pay for freedom, alright. The freedom to not give a damn.

COMMENT:-

Is the comment about "The freedom to not give a damn." COMPLETELY off base?​

I think most Americans do give a damn. Deeply. That doesn't mean, however, joining the mass hysteria demonizing the massive, massive numbers of gun owners who are law abiding citizens, or the NRA, an organization that has done more for firearms safety and proper gun handling than any other organization in the country.

First off, why is it on guns the assumption seems to be that if we just create a few more laws all these shootings will disappear? IF the idea that passing a law ends the crime were factual we wouldn't need law enforcement and a court system, would we? The Washington Post recently reported that gun violence is declining; even as gun ownership is increasing.

What we really need is systems in place to identify potential loose cannons and divert them BEFORE they get to this point. And we have to realize even that will not be 100% perfect. This latest kid in Texas had few "red flags" that would have pointed to a mass shooter.

Other thing I'd like to see is the media stifling itself a bit. With the Florida shooting and this latest one it seems like every broadcast has to have at least one story essentially
rehashing same information that has already been rehashed. . . and rehashed. I have to think there's a copy-cat factor there. The kid in Texas allegedly said he spared some people because "he wanted his story told".

Just my :twocents: