Who won the Democratic Party Debate Night #2? 7/31

[Herkamer63]

Make your pick!

Trump

 

[Winston]

I see Kamala is throwing the establishment Dem tried and true accusation of coddling dictators out there against Tulsi. Funny they use the same talking point against Trump as they do against progressives


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[tres borrachos]

My Performance Ranking from Last to First:

10. DeBlasio 9. Yang 8. Gabbard 7. Gillibrand 6. Biden 5. Bennet 4. Harris 3. Castro 2. Inslee 1. Booker

Biden held on like a punch drunk boxer. He repeated the same catch phrases... i.e. "The fact of the matter....", "Here's the deal..", "Obama vetted me with ten attorneys...". All 9 of the other candidates articulated better than Biden. All of them managed the time constraints better than Biden. Biden remains the odds-on favorite.

DeBlasio's loud mouth interruption in violation of the format sealed my decision to rank him last.

Thanks for saving my fingers some typing effort Trippy. That's exactly how I would rank them.

 

[tres borrachos]

Booooo, no Williamson Option

HAHA would you have picked her? I'm not filled with enough coffee today so maybe you're being facetious and I'm too damn tired to tell. I actually kept forgetting who she is and why she was there every time she talked.

 

[cpwill]

HAHA would you have picked her? I'm not filled with enough coffee today so maybe you're being facetious and I'm too damn tired to tell. I actually kept forgetting who she is and why she was there every time she talked.

Sounds like the dark psychic energy is getting you down.

 

[tres borrachos]

Sounds like the dark psychic energy is getting you down.

Daily.

 

[PLizzy]

I see Kamala is throwing the establishment Dem tried and true accusation of coddling dictators out there against Tulsi. Funny they use the same talking point against Trump as they do against progressives


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Well, they're both right in what they said about each others record.

Gabbard has fliped and floped on Assad and has at times defended him, and Harris was a heavy handed AG that locked-up people for drug related infractions, despite using pot in college herself.

Every candidate has an obligation to explain these and other issues with their record.

 

[cpwill]

Daily.

That's why we need Marianne Williamson. She's gonna get rid of the dark pscyhic energy that is the real problem in this country, not worry about all that yada yada yada :mrgreen:

 

[tres borrachos]

That's why we need Marianne Williamson. She's gonna get rid of the dark pscyhic energy that is the real problem in this country, not worry about all that yada yada yada :mrgreen:

I kept thinking I was going to open my closet and find her standing in there.

 

[Herkamer63]

Trump

And this is no joke. If you're talking about who was the least crazy from the last 2 nights, here's my list (from least crazy to the craziest):

1st Place - Gabbard

2nd Place - Williamson (as odd as it may sound)

3rd Place (a tie, because they sounded less bat$#!t than the others on healthcare coverage) - Delaney, Ryan

Runner Ups (in no particular order) - Klobuchar, Bennet, Bullock, Hickenlooper, Yang (barely on this one because he didn't talk much)

Crazy (and there are A LOT in this category, in no particular order) - Biden, Harris, O'Rourke, Sanders, Inslee, Booker, Warren, Castro, de Blasio, Gillibrand, Buttigeig

The Craziest (and the ultimate loser of the debates the past 2 nights) - CNN (both moderators and the network itself, and rightfully so because the questions were ridiculous, the time given for questions and responses were too short, and they were trying to pick the nominee, even though that isn't anything new)

If the Left was smart, they would choose Gabbard or Williamson as one of their nominees. Either one of those 2 would be smart to pick each other as the running mate, so Gabbard/Williamson or Williamson/Gabbard. If not those 2, Delaney and Ryan would still be better picks than the others. They, at least, have somewhat of an idea on how healthcare coverage and the healthcare system in general works. The runner ups aren't exactly the most reliable (what Democrat is), but it can be argued that they are genuine. Anyone in the Crazy section should not be the nominee. These are the people the media built up, so they are not to be trusted.

All in all, though, Trump won the debates. Every single one of the Democrat candidates justified Trump's position even more. They avoided the Mueller testimony, none of them (except for Crazy Bernie) admitted they would have to raise taxes on EVERYONE for healthcare coverage, and they didn't want to talk about the cost of keeping illegal aliens in the country. As far as viewership, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more people checking out Trump's Twitter account than there were watching CNN's debate nights. It was a sad performance the last 2 nights for CNN, and the candidates weren't any better. Just degrees of who was the least or most abysmal. So, again, Trump won another round of the 2 night Democrat debates. That makes him 4-0 (4 wins for 4 nights of debating), and he wasn't even there. MAGA and KAG 2020!

 

[TheGoverness]

That's why we need Marianne Williamson. She's gonna get rid of the dark pscyhic energy that is the real problem in this country, not worry about all that yada yada yada :mrgreen:

I love Spirit Lady! We'll have a true Miss Cleo in the Oval Office.

 

[TheGoverness]

I kept thinking I was going to open my closet and find her standing in there.

Nah, she only does that on Sundays.

 

[TheGoverness]

I haven't watched the whole thing, but I saw a clip of Tusli knocking Kamala Harris into outer space with her record as a prosecutor. I'll hand it to her. :mrgreen:

 

[haymarket]

My Performance Ranking from Last to First:

10. DeBlasio 9. Yang 8. Gabbard 7. Gillibrand 6. Biden 5. Bennet 4. Harris 3. Castro 2. Inslee 1. Booker

My ten would be 1 - Gabbard 2-Bennett 3 - Biden 4- Yang 5 - Castro 6 - Booker 7-Inslee 8- Gillibrand 9 - Harris 10 - DeBlasio

We agree on #10.

 

[Mongidig]

I have noticed that nobody on here is excited about any of the candidates. It's all about who was the least bad. This is not looking good. The Democrats need somebody to come out of nowhere or it's four more years of your awake nightmare.

 

[Mongidig]

You should leave the thinking to other people.

There are fair criticisms of Harris and Clinton, without having to resort to idiotic high school slut shaming. That kind of talk is EXACTLY how she'll end up the nominee and defeating Trump.

I hate to burst your bubble but Harris has no chance. She is unlikable, racist, and a liar just like Hillary was.

 

[Greenbeard]

I hate to burst your bubble but Harris has no chance. She is unlikable, racist, and a liar just like Hillary was.

An unlikeable racist liar, that sounds so familiar.

 

[Cardinal]

I hate to burst your bubble but Harris has no chance. She is unlikable, racist, and a liar just like Hillary was.

Projection at its finest.

 

[Cardinal]

The debate was a mess, but ultimately I'll have to give this to Booker and Castro.

 

[Media_Truth]

Everyone knows that John Hickenlooper won the debate!

 

[PLizzy]

The debate was a mess, but ultimately I'll have to give this to Booker and Castro.

Night 1 winners: Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Night 1 losers: The Reagan Democrats and O'Rouke.

Night 2 winners: Castro and Booker.
Night 2 losers: Biden, Bennett, Harris.

It will be interesting to see how Biden handels a stage with five heavy hitting center leftists, where he is farthest to the right. I'll also be interested to see how Harris defends her record. Both of them will have to start giving good answers to these things, they can't just keep dodging.

We need these street fights so that the weakest links will be eliminated.

 

[Cardinal]

Night 1 winners: Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Night 1 losers: The Reagan Democrats and O'Rouke.

Night 2 winners: Castro and Booker.
Night 2 losers: Biden, Bennett, Harris.

It will be interesting to see how Biden handels a stage with five heavy hitting center leftists, where he is farthest to the right. I'll also be interested to see how Harris defends her record. Both of them will have to start giving good answers to these things, they can't just keep dodging.

We need these street fights so that the weakest links will be eliminated.

Biden is getting chewed up, bite by bite. I said last night that his approval wouldn't go down, but I'm much less confident about that prediction now.

I believe Warren will emerge as the candidate most immune to policy attack. Everybody knows that she's the policy queen and that she's sincere and consistent about her positions. Harris has the right attitude, but she got hammered last night on her policy background.

 

[PLizzy]

Biden is getting chewed up, bite by bite. I said last night that his approval wouldn't go down, but I'm much less confident about that prediction now.

I believe Warren will emerge as the candidate most immune to policy attack. Everybody knows that she's the policy queen and that she's sincere and consistent about her positions. Harris has the right attitude, but she got hammered last night on her policy background.

As time marches forward, Castro, O'Rouke, Booker, and Yang will leave the race, which will put their minor support into the Warren-Sanders camp.

It remains to be seen what will happen with Biden and if his support bleeds a little bit into the Harris and Buttigieg tents. If that happens he'll be in big trouble, but even saving that from happening, what happens to their votes if they leave the race? What happens if and when Sanders leaves the race? Biden needs to win over Harris and Buttigieg supporters to win.

Harris and Buttigieg have to present themselves as a viable middle ground between Biden and Warren-Sanders to rise in the polls.

 

[Phys251]

Booooo, no Williamson Option

This was from the ten from last night. Williamson was the night prior.

 

[Cardinal]

As time marches forward, Castro, O'Rouke, Booker, and Yang will leave the race, which will put their minor support into the Warren-Sanders camp.

It remains to be seen what will happen with Biden and if his support bleeds a little bit into the Harris and Buttigieg tents. If that happens he'll be in big trouble, but even saving that from happening, what happens to their votes if they leave the race? What happens if and when Sanders leaves the race? Biden needs to win over Harris and Buttigieg supporters to win.

There's a weird cult following around Sanders that doesn't describe the bases of Biden and Harris, so I believe their supporters move on to the Primary winner, whoever that will be.