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Who is to blame for the ballfield shooting?

katzgar said:
I blame the psychiatric profession for letting nut jobs out of Institutions back in the seventies thinking if they took their meds they would be ok in Society. This guy should have been locked up
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Blame Reagan. It was his policies that gutted the community mental health system and started the trend towards de-institutionalization.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Blame Reagan. It was his policies that gutted the community mental health system and started the trend towards de-institutionalization.
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Reagan left office 30 years ago. If what he did was a mistake, why hasn't anyone bothered to fix it?
 
Fletch said:
Reagan left office 30 years ago. If what he did was a mistake, why hasn't anyone bothered to fix it?
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Too many people don't take mental illness issues seriously.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Here's a suggestion: People could start HERE. How about the new "norm" at DP being that people don't act like partisan hack fools (not saying that either of the two of you have) when something like the shooting happens? I read many of the stupid comments by folks on both sides... and went after folks on both sides for doing it.I may be powerful, but if others joined in instead of feeding it or ignoring it, things could change. The best way to make changes globally is to start small and build.
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Agreed...toughest part is not getting drawn into the shot for shot mentality that goes on in debate forums. When people go out of their way to be as big an asshole as possible it's very difficult to remember to keep one's temper in check. However, it's worth it... I've had knock em down brawls with folks in the forums from "the other side", only to find out in PM's that we'd get along just great outside of this venue.

We need to get past the knee jerk response that anyone opposing us needs to be obliterated for the slightest offense or misstep or difference of opinion. I find the "Don't be a jerk" rule gets largely ignored in the heat of debate here, and I'm not claiming innocence on this one. Being a jerk is habit forming, and it takes deliberate and intentional effort to take that deep breath before starting your response. However, if you're unwilling to put in that effort, you really have no business pointing fingers, and if you're not willing to scrutinize your own "side", you have no business criticizing the other. I think it's high time we raise the bar on what's considered "debate"...

Basically, what should be clear to everyone here, is that going forward there are no wins unless everyone wins. Pounding an opponent into the dirt might feel good, but furthers the divide, in which case we all lose.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Furthermore, I'd like to know a single policy of Trump's (not a tweet...not a quote...something tangible) that has made a liberal's life so difficult that they have to bitch and whine and moan like an infant that got his candy taken away from him. Seems to me everyone is basically bitching on an "if-come."
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wrong thread
 
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TobyOne said:
Are you sure it wasn't Russia?
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Nope. Truthatallcost explained it to me. The media is to blame for the shooting, liberal media that is. The media is controlled by the Jews. Therefore the Jews are to blame. Simple logic. Makes perfect sense.
 
Maybe it was "The Mule".


Hari Seldon said:
Nope. Truthatallcost explained it to me. The media is to blame for the shooting, liberal media that is. The media is controlled by the Jews. Therefore the Jews are to blame. Simple logic. Makes perfect sense.
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Fledermaus said:
Strange. So many were blaming Trump for the bad acts of others. Now that it was a Bernie supporter he acted completely independently?
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I have said both sides failed.

Blame doesn't matter anymore. Lists like the daily caller helps nothing.

Hopefully it woke up the majority and it never happens again.

I vow to avoid the us v them mentality. Not all republicans are ....
Not all dems are .....

There is greatness on both sides.
There are problems on both sides.



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Fledermaus said:
And when did Trump say go out and beat up people?
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Let us remember that trump had this little incident at one of his events

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-calls-for-multiple-ejections-during-rally/2016/03/01/d3fe8910-e012-11e5-8c00-8aa03741dced_video.html

Not to mention that during the presidential campagin he said that he wanted to punch the face of a protester at one of his rallies.

Trump on protester: 'I’d like to punch him in the face' - POLITICO
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Let us remember that trump had this little incident at one of his events

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-calls-for-multiple-ejections-during-rally/2016/03/01/d3fe8910-e012-11e5-8c00-8aa03741dced_video.html

Not to mention that during the presidential campagin he said that he wanted to punch the face of a protester at one of his rallies.

Trump on protester: 'I’d like to punch him in the face' - POLITICO
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So, he didn't say go out and beat people up.
 
OlNate said:
Agreed...toughest part is not getting drawn into the shot for shot mentality that goes on in debate forums. When people go out of their way to be as big an asshole as possible it's very difficult to remember to keep one's temper in check. However, it's worth it... I've had knock em down brawls with folks in the forums from "the other side", only to find out in PM's that we'd get along just great outside of this venue.

We need to get past the knee jerk response that anyone opposing us needs to be obliterated for the slightest offense or misstep or difference of opinion. I find the "Don't be a jerk" rule gets largely ignored in the heat of debate here, and I'm not claiming innocence on this one. Being a jerk is habit forming, and it takes deliberate and intentional effort to take that deep breath before starting your response. However, if you're unwilling to put in that effort, you really have no business pointing fingers, and if you're not willing to scrutinize your own "side", you have no business criticizing the other. I think it's high time we raise the bar on what's considered "debate"...

Basically, what should be clear to everyone here, is that going forward there are no wins unless everyone wins. Pounding an opponent into the dirt might feel good, but furthers the divide, in which case we all lose.
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Easy way to not get drawn into it is just go after ANY stupid comment regardless of the side it comes from. Pound the extremists. They're the ones shouting the loudest and the ones both creating the division and making the least sense.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Always remember. Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.
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Exactly and if those miners hadnt mined, then the bullet maker would not have made the bullets so the bullets could not have been fired from the gun by the killer.
The fault rests entirely on the shoulders of the miners!
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Shall I post the scores of posts here at DP blaming liberals for this shooting? BOTH groups of hacks need to shut up.
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The problem as I see it Captain is that the left launches the first wave of accusations (i.e. the Giffords response and finger pointing) and then complains when the favor is returned in kind. In this case, it's actually more relative, since this latest attack was absolutely politically driven.

How this is going to stop has me very concerned. I've been writing for years here that the "string" is being pulled too tight.
 
Quag said:
Exactly and if those miners hadnt mined, then the bullet maker would not have made the bullets so the bullets could not have been fired from the gun by the killer.
The fault rests entirely on the shoulders of the miners!
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Would executing the miners by firing squad be a bit of irony? And was my use of the word "irony" even more irony?
 
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