White Progressives Are Polarizing America

[<alt>doxygen]

My neighbor!
Wassup, dude?

We are far from home! LOL.

But I don't miss the weather this time of year. It's sunny and 72 degrees with low humidity here.

 

[bomberfox]

Of course he does. That's what got the Dems upsaet with his statements to NATO.

Hillary - no, an opportunist and I believe she would have been ObamaII. Hence, a continuation of the "long march".

Lol she isnt even a maoist and no we signed onto NATO and have been using it for our own ends for YEARS against the communists. On what planet does signing an agreement which we have been practically the controlling force behind become some theft of our national sovereinty? Its like you dont know jack about national policy and global politics.... Just like you know nothing about marxism or the long march through the institutions.

 

[ray188]

Lol she isnt even a maoist and no we signed onto NATO and have been using it for our own ends for YEARS against the communists. On what planet does signing an agreement which we have been practically the controlling force behind become some theft of our national sovereinty? Its like you dont know jack about national policy and global politics.... Just like you know nothing about marxism or the long march through the institutions.

There is no relationship between what I said and your response. Seems like an insult was the intellectual depth of the response.

 

[Ouroboros]

This piece by David French discusses a Gallup study on shifting Democratic ideology and data suggesting that left-wing polarization is "primarily driven by a “progressive activist” class that is disproportionately white, disproportionately college-educated, and disproportionately secular," and
argues that:

And ironically enough, a large part of this angry white activism is conducted on behalf of a black and brown population that is more moderate and more religious than their woke white champions. At a time when being a “white savior” is seen as a mark of insensitivity — denying the power and autonomy of nonwhite Americans — white savioring is practically the mission statement of woke Twitter.

Nothing I say should be construed to minimize the polarization inherent particularly in Republican populism and a Trumpian political strategy that so often depends on demonizing his opposition and doing his best to inflame his base (I’ve written about the perils of Trumpism at exhaustive length). But those who care about the health of the American republic cannot and must not ignore the fact that our most powerful cultural cohort just keeps radicalizing. And they’re radicalizing in the least tolerant way. American politics are dangerously polarized, and white progressives share a large part of the blame. White Progressives Shifting Democratic Party to Left and Polarizing America | National Review

My question is this: Is there a point that will prompt push-back?

I despise the relentless microaggression found in complaints about "white saviors." While it's true that one can find specific literary examples of white saviors one might find condescending, as in Kipling, it's ridiculous for SJWs to complain about every situation, real-life or fictional, that *seems* to put a white person in a position of power.

For instance, is the fictional Atticus Finch a symbol of a "white savior?" This occurred to me as a possible example as I was typing this, so I Googled the character's name with the trope, and sure enough, here's some dippy NYT essay online to that effect.

The lesson is clear. If you see a black person attacked on the street, or railroaded into a trial that may put him away for life-- don't do anything to help that black person, because it will make him feel bad about the power differential between the two of you. (For anyone who may not get it, this is what they call a "reducio ad absurdum," not an actual statement of my beliefs.) Or, in emoji terms, :roll:

Here's a great Youtube essay by Jordan Peterson on the ways in which Postmodernist Marxism brought about our current "woke" culture.

As for "push-back," the idiot SJWs have already brought that about: their extreme "progressive" positions have furnished Right-side intellectuals like Peterson and Ben Shapiro with endless evidence of the SJWs' intolerance and irrationality.

 

[Ouroboros]

Do you consider John McCain or Mitt Romney to be far ..sorry "very far" right?

Ben Shapiro alleged that both of these men were labeled "racist" during their presidential campaigns, and I corroborated this on Google. The case against Romney was particularly weak. Clearly, their opponents simply used the word "racist" as a dog whistle, much as Michael Cohen is doing lately.

 

[Ouroboros]

So what's your end-game exactly? Snuff out the progressive left and the populist right? Relegate them to impotence? Get back to status quo creeping corporatism as usual, handing out ever more tax breaks to the rich, getting into more trillion dollar wars and systemic bailouts after ill-advised deregulation and contorted pro-invasion intelligence reports bordering on fabrication?

Marginalizing the more extreme sections of the Left and the Right doesn't mean getting rid of the Left or the Right.

 

[Ouroboros]

First we must rid ourselves of Trump. Every day he is in office we slip further into the abyss. Once that is done we can talk about picking up the pieces.

Trump, for all of his faults, has tailored himself to fit our toxic "all or nothing" political mentality of the past ten years, and even if he dropped dead all of the sudden, the toxicity would still be there.

 

[Ouroboros]

I've read enough to dismiss the whole piece. It's opinion, right wing at that, and appears inflamatory; deliberately designed to get the non-white educated group to fear the white educated group.

It's propaganda people. Which means in MAGAland it will become Gospel.

It's halfway intelligent propaganda, though. If you want to see stupid propaganda, check out the NYT piece to which I linked in a previous post.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Ben Shapiro alleged that both of these men were labeled "racist" during their presidential campaigns, and I corroborated this on Google. The case against Romney was particularly weak. Clearly, their opponents simply used the word "racist" as a dog whistle, much as Michael Cohen is doing lately.

I like Shapiro. I don't agree with him on all things, but I like him. But yeah...the left continually denounces anyone that disagrees with them as racist, xenophobe, etc etc. Doesn't matter if they're not. They have demeaned the terms quite a bit, which is sad. It makes it harder to address real racism and actually accomplish anything towards getting rid of it as much as is humanely possible.

 

[Ouroboros]

Soooo... what is the recommendation of the author? That white progressives just sit back and not push back against shockingly unabashed racism and bigotry coming from the highest offices in the land? Because they might polarize the country? LOL.

They might try being accurate rather than fulminating like idiots, first off.

 

[Ouroboros]

It's not a legitimate comparison. First off, white progressives have trouble electing a dog catcher. Meanwhile, Right Wing Racists actually elected a president.

You're forgetting pretty quickly about the rather recent overturn in House seats, aren't you?

 

[Surrealistik]

Marginalizing the more extreme sections of the Left and the Right doesn't mean getting rid of the Left or the Right.

My point concerning governance by the so-called centre having resulted in disaster and fiscal ruin in recent years aside, the 'extreme left' in America is the political centre of pretty much every other developed country; probably not something that should be marginalised.

 

[Surrealistik]

I like Shapiro. I don't agree with him on all things, but I like him. But yeah...the left continually denounces anyone that disagrees with them as racist, xenophobe, etc etc. Doesn't matter if they're not. They have demeaned the terms quite a bit, which is sad. It makes it harder to address real racism and actually accomplish anything towards getting rid of it as much as is humanely possible.

It's not unlike 'communist/socialist/Marxist' and all the other sundry forms of idiotic neo-McCarthyism among the right.

 

[Ouroboros]

What a joke. The polarization occurring in the United States is due, mostly, to white folks seething at the browning of America (Cite: YouTube). The issues plaguing the country isn't about left or right, it's about white folks screaming at each other, running each other over with vehicles, dehumanizing each other (calling one side NPCs), and the inability to feel empathy and compassion toward one another (and toward people of color). There is no right and left, there are only white folks who are ruining the country at every road bend.

Do you believe you can counter racism with more racism?

 

[Ouroboros]

My point concerning governance by the so-called centre having resulted in disaster and fiscal ruin in recent years aside, the 'extreme left' in America is the political centre of pretty much every other developed country; probably not something that should be marginalised.

Like Venezuela?:mrgreen:

 

[Nickyjo]

White progressivism is basically self-loathing, white guilt.

Let’s not get carried away. Yes, there are some of us who are terminally annoying with stuff, and I have run into a few. We used to roll our eyes and move on. But remember, it was liberals who invented the phrase “politically correct” back in the day. In Berkeley where I live, there used to be a parade called “How Berkeley can you be,” where we made fun of our pretensions. E.g., PETA was People Eating Them Animals. I imagine some form of this exists on the right, but haven’t seen it.

Besides, if it wasn’t for guilt, I’d have no emotions at all.

Rim shot, please.

 

[Surrealistik]

Like Venezuela?:mrgreen:

I was thinking more northern Europe, the Commonwealth, Scandinavia and so on, but yes, that's certainly what the right would have you believe per their ad nauseam, mindless droning; absolutely.

 

[trixare4kids]

Yes, he said "white Progressives". A reference to the racism of the left. Remember, it is Progressives that cannot deal with "people". They must think in terms of whites, blacks, browns, gays, male/female, immigrant, etc. Therein lies the division we see.

Best post of the thread, and speaks exactly to the thread premise.
I'll keep reading to see how many attack you instead of your point.
Wish me luck...

 

[Kal'Stang]

It's not unlike 'communist/socialist/Marxist' and all the other sundry forms of idiotic neo-McCarthyism among the right.

I won't disagree with that.

 

[iguanaman]

Trump, for all of his faults, has tailored himself to fit our toxic "all or nothing" political mentality of the past ten years, and even if he dropped dead all of the sudden, the toxicity would still be there.

Trump is a criminal who has put our country up for sale. He has to go if for only those reasons.

 

[ray188]

Best post of the thread, and speaks exactly to the thread premise.
I'll keep reading to see how many attack you instead of your point.
Wish me luck...

Good luck........

 

[ray188]

Trump is a criminal who has put our country up for sale. He has to go if for only those reasons.

What money do you see changing hands?

 

[trixare4kids]

Good luck........

It was brutal to read.
Some people just love sticking their heads in the sand.
At least you tried.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

We are far from home! LOL.

But I don't miss the weather this time of year. It's sunny and 72 degrees with low humidity here.

No doubt. Even growing up there, the 95% humidity and 90+ temps (100+ now) were unbearable.
Anyone who thinks DC isn't a Southern town should spend August there.

 

[bomberfox]

There is no relationship between what I said and your response. Seems like an insult was the intellectual depth of the response.

Your post did not deserve any better.