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White men set biracial woman on fire

Interesting. You ignore points, hackishly misrepresent my arguments, and then move the goal posts, without acknowledging any of that.

Again, I was addressing the claim that because 66% of those infected were not identified as essential workers that it's proof the lockdown failed. That's an idiotic conclusion that simply doesn't follow from the NYC study.

And what you're asking for is proof that limiting social contacts impacts a virus spread by social contacts. Of course it does. We're seeing that work in reverse all over the country, including in my county. We opened up and are seeing a spike in cases and in hospitalizations. Some of that is testing, but not all because we're testing about the same rate we were in late April, but are seeing many days 10X the cases.

So if you want to claim "proof" that "lockdowns failed" then what is your proof? That NYC study sure as hell doesn't get us there, so what else do you have?

If you are getting proportionally more infections from locked down people than from front line health workers, what does that tell you about the efficacy of lockdowns? The one thing the NYC study doesn't prove at all is that the lockdowns were successful. Don't you find it odd that states think keeping people closely confined indoors is safe while letting them go outdoors to breezy beaches is dangerous? There's something wrong with that picture.
 
If you are getting proportionally more infections from locked down people than from front line health workers, what does that tell you about the efficacy of lockdowns?

By itself, nothing at all. :shrug:

If there are 100 or 1,000 front line healthcare workers, and 100,000 people "locked down" the infection RATE could be far higher in healthcare workers, and we'd still see higher nominal numbers from those "locked down." So that figure by itself tells us nothing at all, except that the not-really-lockdown in NYC wasn't 100% effective.

The residents still went out for food, drugs, to walk the dog, to visit friends if they wanted, and to a dozen or more other categories of "essential" businesses. So the public wasn't in NYC or anywhere else truly "locked down." Those measures LIMITED social contacts but didn't eliminate them, and so a reasonable expectation of limiting social contacts was only ever to reduce the spread, not stop it.

This is basic stuff here, and you seem to be missing all of it. Have you not spent 10 minutes thinking about what you're suggesting?

The one thing the NYC study doesn't prove at all is that the lockdowns were successful. Don't you find it odd that states think keeping people closely confined indoors is safe while letting them go outdoors to breezy beaches is dangerous? There's something wrong with that picture.

I agree that the NYC study of new infections doesn't prove anything, except that limited lockdowns are not 100% effective, which is of course what everyone already expected. You're the one connecting dots that are randomly placed on a page.

And opening beaches doesn't mean just opening the physical space, that strip of sand along the ocean. To open those safely to the PUBLIC requires parking lots, changing rooms, bathrooms, places to serve food and drink, get gas, hotel rooms, access emergency services, and more. For example, the GSMNP closed, but that's because the more than 1 million per month that visit requires a massive amount of infrastructure to support them, including all those things I mentioned, such as restrooms, emergency services, food and drink, and lots of the areas in the park do concentrate huge numbers in small areas, such as a really popular overlook that on a busy day has hundreds on a platform elbow to elbow, and same with some popular hiking destinations.

If you want to find some area on which we can agree, I do agree that some states' efforts to prohibit some outdoor activities was misguided for a couple of reasons. First, outdoor activities give us an outlet when we're otherwise restricted to stay at home, and being human we need those outlets when the alternative is more TV or staring at a wall. Second, someone walking a trail or fishing in a boat or wading in a stream isn't a risk, or it's a minor risk akin to getting some milk at the store at worst/best, and those risks are IMO acceptable for those who choose to engage in them. But that conclusion depends on the policy. A local park was "open" but they closed the restrooms because it was impractical to keep them clean and safe. So you could walk the trails but not use the facilities, or a couple of playgrounds that also had kids, and parents/grandparents, often packed in elbow to elbow on nice days with people sharing surfaces like the equipment, chairs, tables, etc. I thought that was the right compromise. We didn't go there - too crowded - but it didn't appear to be a vector of disease because perhaps even on a crowded day contact with others walking opposite direction was seconds, not minutes or hours.
 
And yet people on this forum will continue to their last breath that there's no deep-seated racism in this country and even if there were, it's their 'right'.

Says the Robert Byrd Defender.
 
And...drink

Like I said...get your hangover medicine ready because I am going to continue to ram Byrd squarely down dems throats every time I see that tattered race card tossed. I know it stings you lefties....but good. Defending a guy that uses the nword. Tsk tsk. I have denounced him...you have defended him.
 
Says the Robert Byrd Defender.

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Like I said...get your hangover medicine ready because I am going to continue to ram Byrd squarely down dems throats every time I see that tattered race card tossed. I know it stings you lefties....but good. Defending a guy that uses the nword. Tsk tsk. I have denounced him...you have defended him.

You're just mad at Byrd because he called out all the "white niggers."
 
5 days later...no follow up.

Its rather interesting that the hospital didnt report this.

Wisconsin Legislature: 255.40

And yet...

"Bernstein said she was advised not to contact police right away “because I was high as a kite” on pain medication."
 
At this point, I'm fairly confident this is a Fake News story. It's just a question of "if and when" the police can find evidence that proves she is behind her own attack. I'm sure the investigators clearly know that she is lying.
 
I find it IMPOSSIBLE to be a Robert Byrd defender and still be a 2020 "woke" Democrat?

Any explanation would be great.
 
You're just mad at Byrd because he called out all the "white niggers."

Good to see you dems tossing the nword around as derogatory. I knew I could crack that "those guys are racists" bull****.
 
I find it IMPOSSIBLE to be a Robert Byrd defender and still be a 2020 "woke" Democrat?

Any explanation would be great.

They don't have one. Calamity has made a drinking game response to it thinking that will be a way to get us off their asses about it. It won't work. It will just make me quadruple down on all of these hypocrites.
Pelosi is taking down pictures in congress but are wont take Byrds down. Just look at calamity above using the nword as a derogatory. These are the people that pretend we are the racists.
 
They don't have one. Calamity has made a drinking game response to it thinking that will be a way to get us off their asses about it. It won't work. It will just make me quadruple down on all of these hypocrites.
Pelosi is taking down pictures in congress but are wont take Byrds down. Just look at calamity above using the nword as a derogatory. These are the people that pretend we are the racists.

You're just mad because Byrd called out "white niggers." I guess I can see why.
 
You're just mad because Byrd called out "white niggers." I guess I can see why.

I'm not familiar whith what that term means. Can you explain what that phrase means to the forum? Sounds like you are associating me as one. Is that a bad thing? Sounds like a racial slur.
Also...do you drink when you bring up Byrd?
 
I’m a newer member on this website and forum.

I must admit, I’m a bit shocked that they allow the “N word” to be thrown around like that. More disturbing is how the Democrats around here just turn their heads and remain ignorantly silent when their fellow Democrat (Calamity) is using such a despicable racist term.
 
Breaking— Holocaust denier is “suspicious” of minority. In other news, water is wet.

:roll:
Allegedly



Sheesh
Sounds like those MAGA boys from the Jussie Smollett attack are at it again.
And yet people on this forum will continue to their last breath that there's no deep-seated racism in this country and even if there were, it's their 'right'.
A woman had her face set on fire, you should be ashamed of yourself, even your dead grandmother (if she's dead) should be ashamed of you. How could you stoop so low?
Yes, Bernstein is a Jewish name. What is your point?
A twofer, wut?

Called it.

"A review of 17 city cameras in the Downtown area from 12:15 a.m. to 1:15 a.m. found no groups of white males matching Bernstein’s descriptions.

Police also did not find any fire damage in the Elantra, according to police reports, and a dog trained to sniff out accelerants did not find evidence of them in the car.

The police investigation also found evidence that Bernstein had her window rolled up at the time of the alleged attack and hadn’t stopped at stoplights where it might have occurred. It also determined she had been driving in a different lane than she told police and was uncertain about where exactly the incident occurred.

Investigators told the Bernstein family’s attorney that “the attack, as Bernstein had described it, had not occurred,” according to police reports, but also told her that there was “no evidence that Bernstein had colluded with anyone to make a false report or that there was any mal-intent or pre-planning that occurred in regards to Bernstein’s statement to police.”


 
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