You keep talking about the way things are as though I don't know. The way things are today is what my objections are based on, so restating the status quo doesn't advance the discussion.
Restating the status quo what the hell are you going on about now? I directly responded in context to your tiny sentence about if a employer put their hands on you against your will. But if you are here to fantasize about Jerry's version of the world I think there can be no progress. Progress in these types of conversations usually involve mutual understandings there may be some give and take on issues, but if we cannot honestly talk about reality nothing really is progressing. I stated how things are where I live and that even in states with parking lot laws private property owners can still have gun free zones. The reason the Private property owners still retain the right to disallow guns on the property is because of the importance of private property in America.
Private property is a fundamental right no less equal to the right to bear arms. The Constitution clearly makes it clear that our rights cannot disallow other peoples rights. And I have made it clear that private property rights are established for the land owners property before the gun owner voluntarily goes onto the land. For a gun owner to demand his right to bear arms while on private property he has to take away the established rights of the private property owner. Face it a gun is not a natural right. A gun is an object a weapon and nothing more. It is not like you would die by not having a gun in your possession. And the main factor is that no one is forcing you to go on someones private property, and I do mean no one. You are not required to enter private property at any time you can choose to not enter the property and leave at anytime. So if you go into a so called gun free zone you did so voluntarily. The choice is yours and has always been yours alone.