Which poses a greater danger?

[bricklayer]

I am a true victim of this one person I know..used 2 know but I refuse to b tormented, avoid the person like the plague so I don't get your comments

A true victim is the exact opposite of an erroneous victim. You are the exact opposite of what I'm referring to. Perhaps that explains why you don't "get" my "comments".

 

[Casper]

I would go so far as to state that it is quite important to be a member of groups. However, it is never a good thing to think of yourself or others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals.

The Individual is Paramount to having a good healthy society and system of Government. To be an Individual means taking the responsibility to discover the truth before reacting.

 

[2distracted]

Those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals erroneously believe themselves to be the victims of those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups. Those rioting think of themselves and others, first and foremost as members of groups rather than individuals. Those whose property, businesses and homes the rioters are looting, destroying and burning think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as individuals rather than members of groups.

In our current social climate, those who erroneously believe themselves to be my victims are far more likely to cause me to respond to them in kind than those who erroneously believe themselves to be my masters. That is to say that, I am far more likely to make someone who thinks they are my victim into an actual victim than I am to make someone who thinks they are my master into an actual master. I'd rather ignore them all together, but it looks like those who think of themselves and others, first and foremost as members of groups rather than individuals may yet push their issues to the point where they're going to have to be shown some individual attention.

Or a bullet..as this one guy I know would half jokingly say...or maybe it was a total joke.. have to ask him some time

 

[bricklayer]

The Individual is Paramount to having a good healthy society and system of Government. To an Individual means taking the responsibility to discover the truth before reacting.

One of the things that make the USA exceptional is that we are the only nation ever constituted to prioritize the individual before the general welfare.
That is to say that, no nation EXCEPT THE USA, has ever prioritized the individual above all else.

 

[Michael Cole]

Slave owners are not "erroneously" masters, and slaves are not "erroneously" victims.

The blacks! It's the blacks!

 

[Michael Cole]

A true victim is the exact opposite of an erroneous victim. You are the exact opposite of what I'm referring to. Perhaps that explains why you don't "get" my "comments".

"Erroneous victim" is gobbledegook that has no meaning.

 

[Evilroddy]

One of the things that make the USA exceptional is that we are the only nation ever constituted to prioritize the individual before the general welfare.
That is to say that, no nation EXCEPT THE USA, has ever prioritized the individual above all else.

Bricklayer:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Where is the individualism in the preamble to your US Constitution? Terms like "Union", "common defence" and "general welfare" do not sound like terms of individualism but are rather collective aspirations.

Your preoccupation with individualism is warping your perspective of your own nation's political history and constitutional history.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[bricklayer]

Bricklayer:



Where is the individualism in the preamble to your US Constitution? Terms like "Union", "common defence" and "general welfare" do not sound like terms of individualism but are rather collective aspirations.

Your preoccupation with individualism is warping your perspective of your own nation's political history and constitutional history.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

Preamble? Read the constitution itself. It's the constitution, not the preamble, that secures our God given rights.

 

[bricklayer]

what a moronic thread, my god

Booker T. Washing wrote that, "You cannot hold a man down unless you're willing to stay down with him."
Welcome to the "moronic thread" stay as long as you like.

 

[Evilroddy]

Preamble? Read the constitution itself. It's the constitution, not the preamble, that secures our God given rights.

Bricklayer:

The Bill of Rights was added after the fact to the US Constitution when the constitution was fully drafted and in force for years. The Bill of Rights appears as ammendments to that constitution. The constitution itself deals with corporate structures like the Executive, the Congress and the Judiciary, all of which are collective structures, not individual ones. Thus the United States existed for about a generation (16 yrs.) before these individual rights were established in the Constitution, thus nullifying your claim about why and how the USA was created (ie. To create and express individual rights).

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[bricklayer]

Bricklayer:

The Bill of Rights was added after the fact to the US Constitution when the constitution was fully drafted and in force for years. The Bill of Rights appears as ammendments to that constitution. The constitution itself deals with corporate structures like the Executive, the Congress and the Judiciary, all of which are collective structures, not individual ones. Thus the United States existed for about a generation (16 yrs.) before these individual rights were established in the Constitution, thus nullifying your claim about why and how the USA was created (ie. To create and express individual rights).

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

The constitution enshrines the fact that all power comes from the consent of the governed.

 

[Evilroddy]

The constitution enshrines the fact that all power comes from the consent of the governed.

bricklayer:

Only if such consent can muster an electoral majority in Congressional and state legislature/gubernatorial elections through collective (voting) action. No implication of individualism here at all. That comes in 1791 with the Bill of Rights by ammendments to the US constitution. So again your thesis that America was born to enshrine and realise individualism is still on a very unstable historical or legal foundations. The individualism came as an afterthought and was not the prime driver in creating the USA.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[bricklayer]

bricklayer:

Only if such consent can muster an electoral majority in Congressional and state legislature/gubernatorial elections through collective (voting) action. No implication of individualism here at all. That comes in 1791 with the Bill of Rights by ammendments to the US constitution. So again your thesis that America was born to enshrine and realise individualism is still on a very unstable historical or legal foundations. The individualism came as an afterthought and was not the prime driver in creating the USA.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

"A lie doesn't become true, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority."
Booker T. Washington

The USA is not a democracy.

 

[Evilroddy]

"A lie doesn't become true, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority."
Booker T. Washington

The USA is not a democracy.

Bricklayer:

The USA is a democracy, a representative democracy. From local sheriffs and judges right up to federal congress persons it is a democracy. A lie can effectively become a truth if it is accepted wholesale by a majority. Wrong does become right over time as a majority's ethos changes. And evil does become good when new religious canon sets in and reverses religious dogma and regulation.

Christopher Columbus did not discover America, it was known about by him from his voyages to Iceland before 1492 and from the spy-gained knowledge of Portuguese sailors/fishermen/slavers who had been going there for half a a century before Columbus departed Spain in 1492. Columbus was trying to avoid America in order to get to Asia, not discover what he already knew was there. Thus the southern route in order to hopefully circumnavigate a North American continental landmass. Columbus brought disease and slavery to the peoples living around the colonies he established and ruled in the Caribbean but he is celebrated as a good hero for something he didn't do while being excused for doing evil things he did do. Does Columbus Day celebrate the wrongs done by Columbus or are genocide and slavery of the past now considered right by the mores of the time and thus okay today? With all due respect to Booker T. Washington, your analysis is wrong again and America is a democracy while values and morals change and sometimes reverse over time. Remember the framers of your constitution and later Bill of Rights had an opportunity to shut down slavery of individuals in the late 18th Century but chose not to do so for political reasons. They did this by effectively declaring African and First Nations slaves to be sub-human (3/5s human) and therefore not fully protected by the Bill of Rights. Today that no longer is accepted - right then becomes wrong today.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[bricklayer]

Bricklayer:

The USA is a democracy, a representative democracy. From local sheriffs and judges right up to federal congress persons it is a democracy. A lie can effectively become a truth if it is accepted wholesale by a majority. Wrong does become right over time as a majority's ethos changes. And evil does become good when new religious canon sets in and reverses religious dogma and regulation.

Christopher Columbus did not discover America, it was known about by him from his voyages to Iceland before 1492 and from the spy-gained knowledge of Portuguese sailors/fishermen/slavers who had been going there for half a a century before Columbus departed Spain in 1492. Columbus was trying to avoid America in order to get to Asia, not discover what he already knew was there. Thus the southern route in order to hopefully circumnavigate a North American continental landmass. Columbus brought disease and slavery to the peoples living around the colonies he established and ruled in the Caribbean but he is celebrated as a good hero for something he didn't do while being excused for doing evil things he did do. Does Columbus Day celebrate the wrongs done by Columbus or are genocide and slavery of the past now considered right by the mores of the time and thus okay today? With all due respect to Booker T. Washington, your analysis is wrong again and America is a democracy while values and morals change and sometimes reverse over time. Remember the framers of your constitution and later Bill of Rights had an opportunity to shut down slavery of individuals in the late 18th Century but chose not to do so for political reasons. They did this by effectively declaring African and First Nations slaves to be sub-human (3/5s human) and therefore not fully protected by the Bill of Rights. Today that no longer is accepted - right then becomes wrong today.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

The USA is a republic. It's a representative republic. Our representatives are democratically elected.

 

[Evilroddy]

The USA is a republic. It's a representative republic. Our representatives are democratically elected.

Bricklayer:

The USA is a Federal constitutional republic which uses representative democracy to choose most of its local, state and federal leaders. The major exceptions being the executive where posts other than the president and VP are appointed with Congressional approval and the judiciary in which some judges are elected and others are appointed.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.