Which party is better for America, Democrats or Republicans?

[SDET]

The Republicans are the only chance right now. And that's only a chance. I resent the Trumpism that has taken over the GOP. I hope the traditional conservatives organize and take the GOP back. I would lose interest in politics before even considering the Democrats. Socialism doesn't lead to a good place.

 

[trixare4kids]

Not at all. Great Change Is Difficult for Everyone. At 64-yoa, still with students in Chem/Physics, still coaching, now into farm managing big time; my passion for infrastructure knows no bounds. I owe this to our students until the day I die.

This Middle Party is coming. How often do you see posters, and Americans at large, BEGGING for compromise? We STILL don’t have a Farm Bill; no Budget; threats of a shut down; tariff wars out of control Threatening the world �� economy;

The next 58 days will be like 58 weeks — all negative ads all day — I’ll be working for this 3rd party in earnest after the 2021 remaps; 99 state and 43 Federal House;

What do you coach?
My husband is 70, and still coaches Pop Warner Football, after having a distinguished career as a physician. He, we are, also hobby grape-growers. Did it all ourselves. Our vineyard should be producing first crush grapes next year.

Ok, I digress, but thanks for letting me see a glimpse of your heart. I admit, I was too quick to judge you. We all need to stop doing this, and try to listen more. Don't we?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Nice try. There is no denying that there is a class and even race basis basis for the way people vote, complicated by social issues like abortion and gay rights. If I am a businessman, I pursue my own interests by voting republican as the GOP is less likely to raise the minimum wage, for example, or pass what I consider burdensome environmental regulations. A worker in a factory he owns might see things differently. A minority might remember Nixon’s southern strategy of years ago or Trump’s spreading false info on crime connected to black and brown people and vote democratic. All of these people might own stocks and want to get rich.

Yep, individuals vary in their ranking of the importance of given issue positions. Making blanket statements that amount to identity politics fails to account for the undeniable fact that most voters are not whatever you pick as your party label.

If you identify as a demorat then about 65% are not demorats - they are republicants or independents.

If you identify as a republicant then about 70% are not republicants - they are demorats or independents.

If you identify as independent then about 65% are not independents - they are demorats or republicants.

Based on party affiliation then everyone is a minority.

 

[trixare4kids]

The Republicans are the only chance right now. And that's only a chance. I resent the Trumpism that has taken over the GOP. I hope the traditional conservatives organize and take the GOP back. I would lose interest in politics before even considering the Democrats. Socialism doesn't lead to a good place.

I don't resent it as much as I think Trump should be the catalyst, the necessary factor to bring both parties back to some semblance of reality.
Honestly, instead I see the Democrats acting even more cray-cray since he won, because they feel entitled to hold the power. Spoiled brats. :lol: They need to realize they lost over 1,000 seats under Obama, and though Hillary won the popular vote she should have CREAMED someone like DJT in the electoral college. She didn't. The voters rejected I am with her's message. It was staler than last week's bread, tbh.

Same goes for the Republicans, who should have mutilated Trump in the primaries. He did not beat them for any other reason than people got tire of the same old **** they were hawking...
IMO, both parites need an overhaul. Until then, they will not beat DJT. The Democrats need to bring in a business person, much like Trump, someone who is not the same old face of the Democratic Party.
A newcomer without any baggage...No more Clintons, or Obamas...
The Democratic Party is making a huge mistake for not protesting his help in the upcoming midterms. He's old news.

 

[Linc]

No, I don't agree, and probably never will.
Here me out again... so far you are doing better than most have done on this forum.

We need the Democrats to get back to being centrist Democrats as we once knew them, (not progressive far leftists) and if the GOP gets back to being true middle of the road conservatives as we once knew them, (instead of wacko RINOS attempting to be more like like Democrats because they think this is what it takes to get votes), no need for people like Donald Trump to be put in office by the people to rebuke, AND capitalize on both parties failures.

We get the government we deserve... and yes, ollie, we've all made a fine mess of it. No blame here on you or me.
IMO, instead of a third party, we need to do what I suggested above, and secondly, enact term limits for career politicians. Whatever happened to the days when we elected public servants to serve temporarily, and not for life? I'll tell you what happened, $$$ and special interests buy these lifers; clowns.

Sorry for going off, but I get passionate about these things.

Nothing wrong with the word Progress—ive, like Teddy Roosevelt, Republicans like Lee Atwater and Rush Limbaugh have been doing this dividing into Left and Right got too many decades. That was their STATED goal. They won.

When you speak of term limits, that’s the stuff of Newt Gingrich in 1994; the TEA party in 2010; that we won’t ever agree on; Senators Sasse and Warren have a great deal of overlap on Reform. Sasse has one of the most conservative Senate Voting records, but I respect his presentation immensely; could vote for him.

This RINO/DINO crap talk is crap . That’s where the only compromise is today. If you speak of the far left, I’ll speak of the Freedumb Circus and the TEA Party preventing any meaningful legislation since 2010. The covering up kavanaugh hearings will always be a stain on the USA brain, if we survive.

The fact that Republicans aren’t scared of Helsinki and so much more overseas is most alarming to me, far more than #45. The fact that both extremes don’t see the IMMEDIATE need for Pence/Kasich is as disturbing as it gets, IMHO.

 

[trixare4kids]

For the wealthy and corporations -- Republicans.

For blue-collar workers and minorities -- Democrats.

That's no longer true.
You know that is why the Democrats lost in 2016, don't you?
The Dems forgot the middle class, the blue collar workers, the backbone of this country, and the minorities and the GOP under Donald Trump's leadership capitalized on the Dem's. shortcomings. The left is a great friend of the wealthy and corporations; Wall street. Just ask Hillary.

Don't make me bring the stats here that proves the above.

 

[Linc]

What do you coach?
My husband is 70, and still coaches Pop Warner Football, after having a distinguished career as a physician. He, we are, also hobby grape-growers. Did it all ourselves. Our vineyard should be producing first crush grapes next year.

Ok, I digress, but thanks for letting me see a glimpse of your heart. I admit, I was too quick to judge you. We all need to stop doing this, and try to listen more. Don't we?

We do. I like your Green Talk. I believe ALL Non-violent prisoners could be farmed out to do green farm work. They’re strong. They will be reborn. Their pay could be a lesser sentence. Send money to their families. Farming has saved my mind, heart and soul this year when her Mom came down with 24-Hour care needs on the Farm in Iowa. I struggled for 8 years with retirement from teaching. I am now at peace .

Iowa, and my Illinois, are premier wrestling * States. That’s my main sport. Female wrestling in Illinois is exploding. It will be their own sport soon. There’s a sophomore girl in the suburbs who could win state, and Illinois is great in the lower weights. I’m trying to get down to 182/195. I can’t go with the 220s and 285s any more for a full 2-minute period.

I absolutely Love filming, especially Football . It’s so high-tech now, so cool . We have so very much to celebrate with our students. We MUST stop ranking by a tiny fraction, which causes divergence and division. We Must Converge, on the Center.

By the way, you weren’t the only one in our past conversations to cop an attitude. #me too. That’s been on the Baby Boomers since Vietnam and Watergate. It must stop Now.

 

[trixare4kids]

We do. I like your Green Talk. I believe ALL Non-violent prisoners could be farmed out to do green farm work. They’re strong. They will be reborn. Their pay could be a lesser sentence. Send money �� to their families. Farming has saved my mind, heart �� and soul this year when her Mom came down with 24-Hour care needs on the Farm in Iowa. I struggled for 8 years with retirement from teaching. I am now at peace .

Iowa, and my Illinois, are premier wrestling ��* States. That’s my main sport. Female wrestling in Illinois is exploding. It will be their own sport soon. There’s a sophomore girl in the suburbs who could win state, and Illinois is great in the lower weights. I’m trying to get down to 182/195. I can’t go with the 220s and 285s any more for a full 2-minute period.

I absolutely Love �� filming, especially Football ��. It’s so high-tech now, so cool ��. We have so very much to celebrate �� with our students. We MUST stop �� ranking by a tiny fraction, which causes divergence and division. We Must Converge, on the Center.

By the way, you weren’t the only one in our past conversations to cop an attitude. #me too. That’s been on the Baby Boomers since Vietnam and Watergate. It must stop Now.

I have two grandsons who are on a full rides at Lindenwood for wrestling.
We are originally midwesterners; Illinois.
My family can surely relate to educator burnout.
Trixare4kids translates to I was a teacher for the kids.
I am still for the kids. Volunteerism has been a big part of my life.
Oh, and don't get me started on what we try to do to make sure our grandchildren have a better world...

I truly believe if we can let our walls down, we all have much more in common than not.
eace

 

[Grokmaster]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

Regardless of "brand name", conservatism is FAR BETTER for Americans than is liberalism, which is now "LEFTISM".

 

[Linc]

I have two grandsons who are on a full rides at Lindenwood for wrestling.
We are originally midwesterners; Illinois.
My family can surely relate to educator burnout.
Trixare4kids translates to I was a teacher for the kids.
I am still for the kids. Volunteerism has been a big part of my life.
Oh, and don't get me started on what we try to do to make sure our grandchildren have a better world...

I truly believe if we can let our walls down, we all have much more in common than not.
eace

My longest and best wrestling friend on DP and back to Politico in 2010 is ‘radioman’, from your California. He’s Special. He never misses your State Wrestling Tournament, one of the best in the Nation. Your young Men do great at Universities like Penn State, like the Nevills’ Heavyweights. We got I-Mar here in Illinois; great human being.

Wrestling is one of the greatest family sports; careful not to rank. It’s also one of the most Conservative, with respect to the Adults involved, often too much so. I’ve seen Wrestling * literally save untold numbers of kids from the streets.

But, we’ve had our problems for decades. Three college wrestlers dying of weight loss some 20 years ago. Now we have better weight classes and weight control. And then there’s the sickening sexual abuse by coaches like Speaker Hastert, who I respected immensely and wrestled against his kids in high school. Shakes head.

We Must prepare our students for their next levels. That is our only mission, in every way. Retired teachers are coming back all over Illinois, many organized, to volunteer, really helping the teachers and kids. They’ve fallen back in Love with what they originally loved.

This year so far on vectors, I made it very clear to the students it isn’t just about Physics, it’s how you learn subjects; it’s how to be a Student * in any subject.

 

[Bullseye]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

See, the problem with just looking at who the President was assumes he's an omnipotent wizard who, despite the world situation, the mood of the country or the party(ies) controlling congress the President's powers and wisdom are the only factors controlling economic growth. Sorry, no, not true, not even close.

Fact is, the President has very little direct control of the economy. There is no secret room in the White House where he can go and flip switches or pull levers and cause the economy to move in the direction he wishes. The President is most effect in influencing the mood and attitudes of the real economic decision makers - the consumers, producers, investors, business owners, entrepreneurs, tec. IF they are optimistic they will be able to make decisions that successfully achieve their goals the economy will bloom. If they're vilified, insulted for their success and looked upon as merely ATM's for government to make withdrawals the economy will founder or move lackadaisically.

 

[OscarLevant]

I won't get into the specifics but IMO, Donald J Trump is a rebuke of both parties.
Think about it.. you used to be a Republican, and I used to be a Democrat. Both parties are so far from what they used to be, and that is why we got Trump.

Trump's win was a fluke, -- he didn't win the popular vote and he won by a very thin margin in three swing states, and owing to voter surpression and gerrymandering, it was enough to take the swing states ( only 80K votes ), he won. The more important fact is that he's corrupt beyond anything we've seen in recent history, more than Nixon. Trump is not worthy of the office.

Hillary garnered 67 million votes, and dems have flipped over 44 seats recently, so Dems are doing just fine, thank you.

There are only two parties which have a significant caucus in all of the legislatures across the land. R & D. Better to work with one or the other. Most political philosophies can fit into either group, which is why Bernie ran as a Democrat, though his policies are closer to the Green Party than anything else. So do mine, I agree with them some 95%, and agree with Dems only 88%, but GP has no caucus worth a spit. So, work within the framework of a party that has a significant caucus.

 

[OscarLevant]

thanks but facts no long matter

Not to Trump's base, but to the majority of the population, they most certainly do.

 

[Perotista]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

Right now, neither. Both major parties are putting the good of the party way above the good of the nation.

 

[OscarLevant]

Regardless of "brand name", conservatism is FAR BETTER for Americans than is liberalism, which is now "LEFTISM".

You have offered nothing to refute my OP.

 

[OscarLevant]

See, the problem with just looking at who the President was assumes he's an omnipotent wizard who, despite the world situation, the mood of the country or the party(ies) controlling congress the President's powers and wisdom are the only factors controlling economic growth. Sorry, no, not true, not even close.

Fact is, the President has very little direct control of the economy. There is no secret room in the White House where he can go and flip switches or pull levers and cause the economy to move in the direction he wishes. The President is most effect in influencing the mood and attitudes of the real economic decision makers - the consumers, producers, investors, business owners, entrepreneurs, tec. IF they are optimistic they will be able to make decisions that successfully achieve their goals the economy will bloom. If they're vilified, insulted for their success and looked upon as merely ATM's for government to make withdrawals the economy will founder or move lackadaisically.

A president policies and actions, given enough time, can definitely affect the economy.

Moreover, if Trump is going to take credit for successes, he must take credit for failures. The tariffs and the deficits in a year or two, will have an effect.

 

[OscarLevant]

Right now, neither. Both major parties are putting the good of the party way above the good of the nation.

In your view, how are democrats putting the party above the good of the nation? Please back up any claim, thanks.

 

[jimbo]

Which is why I’ll keep on about a 3rd party, a centrist party to make a short story; what I’m calling the Progressive Conservatism of the likes of Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, and IKE.

It begins and ends with every conceivable Infrastructure with me. Every Job a person does is Infrastructure Related, imho. We need a Farm Bill NOW, long stalled all year.

When Sen. Sasse of Nebraska isn’t supporting Certain ‘things’, to keep this positive, he’s a wise visionary. He speaks of the next ten years. I speak of the next �� years.

With such an excess of water �� on the East Cosst, the latest coming this week with Hurricane Florence, there Has to be a way to move it to the Drought-Stricken West.

I see an outrageous thought of levitating Metal sheath in the atmosphere next Century moving water — an interstate series of aqueducts and water pipelines — replenishing the Ogallala Aquifer and all the others — draining Louisiana Sinking West through Texas Over the Rockies to such as Lake Powell; there are plenty of other ‘straws’ like this:

Interestingly, we've had a shot at a viable 3rd party twice in my lifetime. Perot was the first. The timing was right. Perot had the funds to buck the two parties, and he made sense as an alternative. Sound familiar? It should. The second was President Trump. Same situation. But both turned out to be less than expected.

I voted for Trump. Given the same set of circumstances. I would do so again. But leader he isn't. I thought he would be good at picking quality staff and get out of the way and let them do the job. He's done neither.

Perot never had a shot. He went nuts long before the election.

Will we ever get another shot? Maybe. Maybe not. There are certainly people with the funds. But the desire, I don't see it.

 

[Bullseye]

A president policies and actions, given enough time, can definitely affect the economy.

, if Trump is going to take credit for successes, he must take credit for failures. The tariffs and the deficits in a year or two, will have an effect.

We'll see.

 

[Atheist 2020]

What party is best for America, is to join Canada and vote for the New Democratic Party of Canada.

 

[trouble13]

Years ago, back in the 80s, I used to be a republican. I got tired of arguing with liberals, so one day I decided
to research the data, which, of course, would prove republicans are better for America than democrats. With the data,
I reasoned, I could just toss the hard facts in front of democrats and be done with the argument.

To my surprise, what I discovered was pretty much the hard stats favor democrats. I couldn't wrap my head around it, especially the stat that dems are better for stock gains, for surely, I thought, if any stat would be in the repubs
favor, it would be that one, but, alas, even that one is better by democrats.

This site has all the hard facts in one convenient place, for your future arguments against republicans who love their strawman arguments and fog machine debate tactics, but the stats speak for themselves. Of course, it's up and down, but the point is, who is better, on the whole, for America?

From what i can tell from these stats, it seems to me that Democrats are. I invite your comments.

Presidential Data 2016

There's a fundamental fallacy in your question that I want to attempt to address.

There is no one size fits all answer. It's like the expression that you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

This is where federal government fails. It tries to force it's solutions on everyone. Local communities should govern themselves. They should find the solutions that best fit their circumstances. America is a mosaic of cultures that should be celebrated instead of trying to made to conform.

Democrat ideology works well for some and Republican ideology works better for others. Some of neither works better than the other for.

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[Linc]

Interestingly, we've had a shot at a viable 3rd party twice in my lifetime. Perot was the first. The timing was right. Perot had the funds to buck the two parties, and he made sense as an alternative. Sound familiar? It should. The second was President Trump. Same situation. But both turned out to be less than expected.

Nice post; calm; I’m seeing this with everyone I interact with in real life. That will be #45’s gift to us, to force all of us together and get over this hatred since Vietnam and Watergate, really still the Civil War. We owe the next generations a better outcome after #45 is gone, compared to Nixon. Sorry, I can’t say #45’s name.

I voted for Trump. Given the same set of circumstances. I would do so again. But leader he isn't. I thought he would be good at picking quality staff and get out of the way and let them do the job. He's done neither.

I won’t say what my dearly departed Air Force Father would have said about #45, beginning with his ‘loser’ taunts at John McCain. Both parties have great people to choose to run the government. #45’s people on foreign policy are excellent. We have superb Generals.

Perot never had a shot. He went nuts long before the election.

Perot dropping out after his ‘you people’ comment to the NAACP was unfortunate. He didn’t build from the ground up either. I read a lot of Koch stuff; I’ll be investing in them; they’re economically brilliant; and great philanthropists.

Will we ever get another shot? Maybe. Maybe not. There are certainly people with the funds. But the desire, I don't see it.

I really do. I believe in the million Eisenhower memes I’ve been sending out. Ben Sasse, Evan McMullin. For DEMs, I like Gov. Bullock of Montana and Sen. Klobuchar of Minnesota.

A number of states have a decent down-ballot 3rd party. The candidates are usually centrist. I could discuss some of Bernie as centrist, such as on Guns. I’d opine about ten states. IMHO, I’d say Watch the Koch types from the right and the Steyer types from the Left.

Also, 12 states rom the right are on to a constitutional convention, not quite the 2/3 needed yet. The left is always sleeping while the Right never sleeps 🛏

 

[OscarLevant]

There's a fundamental fallacy in your question that I want to attempt to address.

There is no one size fits all answer. It's like the expression that you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

This is where federal government fails. It tries to force it's solutions on everyone. Local communities should govern themselves. They should find the solutions that best fit their circumstances. America is a mosaic of cultures that should be celebrated instead of trying to made to conform.

Democrat ideology works well for some and Republican ideology works better for others. Some of neither works better than the other for.

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Nothing I said interferes with your point which is really the subject of a different thread

 

[trouble13]

Nothing I said interferes with your point which is really the subject of a different thread

Your questions asks which is better for America as if America is is one static thing but it's not. It's more like a collage. The answer to your question is that they are both worse and better for America depending on where and when your asking that question.

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[Irwin Corey]

That's no longer true.
You know that is why the Democrats lost in 2016, don't you?
The Dems forgot the middle class, the blue collar workers ...

Don't make me bring the stats here that proves the above.

Bring em!

Trumps “leadership”? Trump won because he played the media (he hates), because because HRC was smeared by the Republicans for years and she ran a terrible campaign, the polls made Democrats complacent, Russian propaganda and he’s the best con-man ... EVER.

But he wouldn’t make a pimple on a leaders ... butt. Which he is proving every day.