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Where is Trump's Balanced Budget?

SmartCat said:
That is an appeal to emotion. I have already pointed out that America's bloated offense budget did not prevent 9/11.
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Bloated budget? Why because you say so? 20% of the budget is for providing for the common defense and that to you is bloated? Keey that head buried in the sand ignoring the true role of the Federal govt. which isn't to provide you for your personal responsibility issues
 
Conservative said:
Why? because we have a private sector economy faced with federal, state, and local regulations that drive up costs. Why? Because we are in the cross hairs of every radical in the world that wants you to either support their ideology or die. 9/11 happened because of a reactive political ideology instead of a pro active. Clinton was warned in December 1998 but rather that do what was right he didn't and we lost over 3000 Americans

People always hate the military until they require defense from that military. Lose a loved one to a foreign power and see how you feel about being proactive

I asked you a question and still no answer, how much of a defense budget should we have?
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I already answered your question about the American offense budget. I would cut it by at least half.

Americans are not threatened by a foreign invasion. Gun violence by other Americans kills more of us than Islamic terrorists, or anyone who is not an American citizen.

When we invade countries that want to be left alone we create terrorists and provoke some of them to take counter measures.
 
SmartCat said:
I already answered your question about the American offense budget. I would cut it by at least half.

Americans are not threatened by a foreign invasion. Gun violence by other Americans kills more of us than Islamic terrorists, or anyone who is not an American citizen.

When we invade countries that want to be left alone we create terrorists and provoke some of them to take counter measures.
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And what happens if you are wrong? Are there ever any consequences for mistakes people like you make? You want to cut the 800 billion dollar budget to 400 billion dollars to take care of approximately 330 million Americans? That is certainly liberal logic which is no logic at all
 
Conservative said:
Bloated budget? Why because you say so? 20% of the budget is for providing for the common defense and that to you is bloated? Keey that head buried in the sand ignoring the true role of the Federal govt. which isn't to provide you for your personal responsibility issues
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The U.S. offense budget looks bloated to me.
 

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Lord of Planar said:
To my knowledge, that is a bald faced lie.
He said we had to eliminate the debt, but then went on to say he would eliminate the deficit in 8 years.
Words have meaning people. Stop using your partisan edited material.
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"to your knowledge" gadaffi was great guy so you really should stop trusting what you think. Now you can quibble if Trump said he would eliminate the debt or deficit but he said he'd balance the budget. Okay, how does increasing spending and cutting revenue put us on a path to a balanced budget in 8 years? wait, was "nuh uh, it hasn't been 8 years yet so you cant judge" just a cowardly dodge?
 
SmartCat said:
The U.S. offense budget looks bloated to me.
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Of course it does because you don't understand the budget or the world we live in. Now answer the question, what happens if we cut defense in half and you are wrong? are you willing to live with the loss of life?
 
Vern said:
"to your knowledge" gadaffi was great guy so you really should stop trusting what you think. Now you can quibble if Trump said he would eliminate the debt or deficit but he said he'd balance the budget. Okay, how does increasing spending and cutting revenue put us on a path to a balanced budget in 8 years? wait, was "nuh uh, it hasn't been 8 years yet so you cant judge" just a cowardly dodge?
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Haven't paid any attention to the Trump 2019 budget, have you?
 
Vern said:
"to your knowledge" gadaffi was great guy so you really should stop trusting what you think. Now you can quibble if Trump said he would eliminate the debt or deficit but he said he'd balance the budget. Okay, how does increasing spending and cutting revenue put us on a path to a balanced budget in 8 years? wait, was "nuh uh, it hasn't been 8 years yet so you cant judge" just a cowardly dodge?
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I never said Qaddafi was a great guy. Haven't you learned yet that words have meaning, or are you being deceitful?
 
Conservative said:
And what happens if you are wrong? Are there ever any consequences for mistakes people like you make? You want to cut the 800 billion dollar budget to 400 billion dollars to take care of approximately 330 million Americans? That is certainly liberal logic which is no logic at all
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It is far more likely that you are wrong. America's huge offense budget is at best a waste of money. At worst it provokes counter measures from other countries and tempts American presidents to start wars.

During the Cold War there never was a remote chance of a Communist dictatorship in the United States. The fear of such a dictatorship was used by reactionaries to discredit the Democratic Party, the New Deal, and the democratic left in general. The danger was of a nuclear war for which the United States would have had much of the responsibility.
 
Conservative said:
Of course it does because you don't understand the budget or the world we live in. Now answer the question, what happens if we cut defense in half and you are wrong? are you willing to live with the loss of life?
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I have been wrong before.

What happens if we do not cut defense and Trump starts a war we could have avoided? He said once, "What good are nuclear weapons if we don't use them."
 
SmartCat said:
Bush II also had warnings of 9/11 that he ignored.
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Please for m us an action plan of what he was suppose to do, for the few months warning. Why didn't Clinton start the ball rolling?
 
SmartCat said:
It is far more likely that you are wrong. America's huge offense budget is at best a waste of money. At worst it provokes counter measures from other countries and tempts American presidents to start wars.

During the Cold War there never was a remote chance of a Communist dictatorship in the United States. The fear of such a dictatorship was used by reactionaries to discredit the Democratic Party, the New Deal, and the democratic left in general. The danger was of a nuclear war for which the United States would have had much of the responsibility.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion but were probably one of the first ones condemning Bush for not preventing 9/11. You are clueless when it comes to international affairs and how to defend this country. The amount you want to reduce the budget wouldn't make a dent in the debt or deficit and would have severe consequences, GAO says 9/11 cost the country over a trillion dollars which is part of the debt Bush was charged with
 
SmartCat said:
I have been wrong before.

What happens if we do not cut defense and Trump starts a war we could have avoided? He said once, "What good are nuclear weapons if we don't use them."
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Trump cannot start a war without approval of Congress. We have three equal branches of govt. learn what they are. Reagan got it, defense through strength and nuclear weapons are a deterrent
 
SmartCat said:
Bush II also had warnings of 9/11 that he ignored.
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I knew someone would raise that old tired left wing mantra. It's totally false. IF you want to dig further into that start a thread but don't clog this one up with mindless "Bush knew, Bush knew" nonsense.
 
Lord of Planar said:
To my knowledge, that is a bald faced lie.

He said we had to eliminate the debt, but then went on to say he would eliminate the deficit in 8 years.

Words have meaning people. Stop using your partisan edited material.
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I posted a link from Bloomberg. Where is your link? Don't have one? Again???

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ional-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Last April, lunching amid construction debris at his new hotel five blocks from the White House, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told the Washington Post he would get rid of the national debt “over a period of eight years.”
 
Media_Truth said:
I posted a link from Bloomberg. Where is your link? Don't have one? Again???

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ional-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Last April, lunching amid construction debris at his new hotel five blocks from the White House, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told the Washington Post he would get rid of the national debt “over a period of eight years.”
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"Told the Washington Post."

No second source verification. All places reporting this have the Washington Compost as the source.

Have a full, non-edited transcript, or video by chance?
 
Conservative said:
Trump cannot start a war without approval of Congress. We have three equal branches of govt. learn what they are. Reagan got it, defense through strength and nuclear weapons are a deterrent
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That's baloney, because they don't have to call it war, they can define it as an "authorization for the use of military force", just as they've done the last half a dozen times. We never officially declared war on Vietnam, or did you forget that?

The bar to get a majority in Congress to approve an AUMF is distinctively lower than official declarations of war.
And the CiC can always commence an attack or preemptive first strike with zero authorization from anyone in Congress.
It is then up to Congress to decide what to do next, but a preemptive strike is the President's call any time he wishes.
 
By the way, has anybody noticed that Twumpy is once again threatening a government shutdown if he doesn't get his border wall money? It will be very interesting to see ICE and DHS personnel working without paychecks. That oughta endear them to him.
Can you say "total backfire"??

Twumpy has attempted to veto budget bills but last time he tried, a veto proof majority overruled him.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's baloney, because they don't have to call it war, they can define it as an "authorization for the use of military force", just as they've done the last half a dozen times. We never officially declared war on Vietnam, or did you forget that?

The bar to get a majority in Congress to approve an AUMF is distinctively lower than official declarations of war.
And the CiC can always commence an attack or preemptive first strike with zero authorization from anyone in Congress.
It is then up to Congress to decide what to do next, but a preemptive strike is the President's call any time he wishes.
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as has been stated over and over again, the war ended with the Status of Forces Agreement in November 2008 signed by Bush and as much as you would like to change the past you can't do that so why divert from the present to the past? The debt for the Iraq War is in the 10.6 trillion debt Obama inherited but for some reason you cannot get over that reality.

Trump has proposed a 2019 budget with actual cuts, please name for me any previous President that submitted actual cuts? Do you support that budget?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
By the way, has anybody noticed that Twumpy is once again threatening a government shutdown if he doesn't get his border wall money? It will be very interesting to see ICE and DHS personnel working without paychecks. That oughta endear them to him.
Can you say "total backfire"??

Twumpy has attempted to veto budget bills but last time he tried, a veto proof majority overruled him.
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Will that prevent you from getting your welfare check? Interesting how so many complain against deficits but then attack budgets that reduce them as well as anything to protect this country from invasion. Being proactive saves lives, you on the other hand just whine and complain when you don't get what you want
 
Media_Truth said:
Not to be outdone with his HUSH money lies, Trump's lies of a balanced budget will affect us and our children for many years to come.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ional-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Donald Trump told the Washington Post he would get rid of the national debt “over a period of eight years.”

And it's worse than that. He not only isn't balancing the budget. He is skyrocketing the deficit, and it will soon pass the $1 Trillion threshhold.

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Republicans hold all three legislative branches of government. They need only look into a mirror if they want to see irresponsible fiscal policy.
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Now that we have Nancy in charge, everything will be okay.

Revenues are up. All she needs to do is cut spending.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary
 
Conservative said:
Will that prevent you from getting your welfare check? Interesting how so many complain against deficits but then attack budgets that reduce them as well as anything to protect this country from invasion. Being proactive saves lives, you on the other hand just whine and complain when you don't get what you want
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Welfare check? Because someone doesn't agree with you or has a problem with the deficit they are automatically on welfare? Funny as a conservative you should know that the most people on welfare and government assistance are in the so called red conservative states. And it's the blue states that contribute the most in taxes and shore up the red states.

I've been accused of being a welcher for my progressive views. Odd that, as I run two businesses and pay more than my share of taxes. My so called conservative friends brag about cheating on their taxes. One even bragged about getting free cheese when she could well afford to pay for it.

Or you one of those people?
 
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