When the Hood Falls Off in Public

[Oborosen]

What’s your source for this statement?

I'm going by the adjustment being made, which is understandable. This administration is looking to allow in people who can go without government assistance. Though arguably the grace period for that window is about 11 months, so you can basically be on some form of welfare, or government assisted living program for about that long, and not expect to have your stay here terminated.

It's a pretty lax rule, all things considered.

 

[Rexedgar]

I'm going by the adjustment being made, which is understandable. This administration is looking to allow in people who can go without government assistance. Though arguably the grace period for that window is about 11 months, so you can basically be on some form of welfare, or government assisted living program for about that long, and not expect to have your stay here terminated.

It's a pretty lax rule, all things considered.

I’m asking for a source, not what you are “going by.”

 

[haymarket]

Actually they're still welcome, or did you not read the new plan?

So tell me all about it. And provide verifiable evidence of the claim.

 

[Oborosen]

I’m asking for a source, not what you are “going by.”

I did not claim a source, just a point.

 

[Oborosen]

So tell me all about it. And provide verifiable evidence of the claim.

So long as you do not remain on government assistance for more than 11 months, you will be able to stay in the US.

 

[haymarket]

So long as you do not remain on government assistance for more than 11 months, you will be able to stay in the US.

Which will radically change the nature of what immigration is and what America is.

 

[Fletch]

Exactly. The Industrial Revolution would have been severely retarded if not for immigrant labor. We might not be the economic leader of the free world if not for our welcoming immigration policy as we would have severely lacked the necessary labor.

You seem to be completely oblivious (as usual)to the the fact that America is different today than it was during the Industrial Revolution. Today, America is a welfare state. You cannot have a welfare state and a massive influx of the worlds impoverished. That shouldnt have to be explained to you liberals, but everything has to be explained to you liberals.

 

[haymarket]

You seem to be completely oblivious (as usual)to the the fact that America is different today than it was during the Industrial Revolution. Today, America is a welfare state. You cannot have a welfare state and a massive influx of the worlds impoverished. That shouldnt have to be explained to you liberals, but everything has to be explained to you liberals.

So what day does the Statue of Liberty come down?

 

[Fletch]

So what day does the Statue of Liberty come down?

You tell me. You dont give a rats ass about human liberty. In fact, you argue against it in every post you make. All you care about is state power.

 

[haymarket]

You tell me. You dont give a rats ass about human liberty. In fact, you argue against it in every post you make. All you care about is state power.

I actually would like people to enjoy the most liberty they can in the society we have.

 

[Fletch]

I actually would like people to enjoy the most liberty they can in the society we have.

Right. Which is why you despise right libertarians and Objectivists whose political philosophy is centered upon securing human liberty. Liberty is the one thing that gets in the way of your political ideology. Your posts expose that fact whether you are willing to admit it or not.

 

[haymarket]

Right. Which is why you despise right libertarians and Objectivists whose political philosophy is centered upon securing human liberty. Liberty is the one thing that gets in the way of your political ideology. Your posts expose that fact whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Right libertarians are the scum of the earth and it is their extremely IMPRACTICAL and FANTASY LAND faux ideology which is far closer to right wing extremists and fascist than any real liberty. Screaming LIBERTY at every opportunity is as phony as a three dollar bill with George Jetsons photo on it.

 

[Fletch]

Right libertarians are the scum of the earth and it is their extremely IMPRACTICAL and FANTASY LAND faux ideology which is far closer to right wing extremists and fascist than any real liberty. Screaming LIBERTY at every opportunity is as phony as a three dollar bill with George Jetsons photo on it.

Wow. Its not easy to cram that much idiocy into a single post, but you did it, so congrats on that. And thanks for exposing as real the disgust for liberty that you claim not to have. But go ahead and list those things that my ideology or those who advocate human liberty have in common with fascism

 

[haymarket]

Wow. Its not easy to cram that much idiocy into a single post, but you did it, so congrats on that. And thanks for exposing as real the disgust for liberty that you claim not to have. But go ahead and list those things that my ideology or those who advocate human liberty have in common with fascism

Your hyper emotional reaction is understandable when you feel somebody has insulted your religion.

 

[Fletch]

Your hyper emotional reaction is understandable when you feel somebody has insulted your religion.

I cant help but notice you list even a single characteristic of those who advocate liberty have in common with fascists. Was that an oversight on your part? Or were you just lying when you made the claim.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Right. Which is why you despise right libertarians and Objectivists whose political philosophy is centered upon securing human liberty. Liberty is the one thing that gets in the way of your political ideology. Your posts expose that fact whether you are willing to admit it or not.

And all people are entitled to liberty and being treated equal

In order to achieve liberty people have to act through their elected representatives in state and federal government.

 

[Lovebug]

Even though the link in the OP was trying to bridge into saying that this policy is possibly racist?

You do realize that the people who keep batting against this, are the same people who believe almost every poor country is a non-white county?

News flash for the topic, but the policy that is being given the run around here is a merit based one, and not even that hard of one. So long as you don't go for almost a whole year receiving government aid, you'll be fine. Hell, we don't even know yet if ay of those aid packages will be excluded from such a program anyway, and people are doing the usual. Coming out of the woodwork to claim "racism, white-nationalism" or some other crap like that.

Here, from the piece.


What the **** is this about then?
This is the kind of **** that make the journalism like this, a continuous laughing stock.

The writer didn't kick back at such a presumption and just let it go without challenging it.

Ancient Chinese secret. People are catching on to "Beto's" bs.

 

[Lovebug]

You won’t get any argument from me as to the immigration issue facing the US. My problem is the ham-fisted way it is being dealt with. You can’t argue, on one hand, that unemployment is at historic lows and then turn around and argue ‘they’re taking our jobs.’ There is a reason that Cuccinelli failed in his bid for Virginia Governor.

What are some examples of poor white countries?

I have no idea what you mean by the paragraph that begins, ‘News Flash?’

The Irish we knee deep in doodoo when they arrived, not necessarily unloading truckloads of gold. No?

 

[Lovebug]

Can you imagine what would happen to the USA if we let people come here for economic reasons? Where would we be today if we had allowed that type of thing in the past encouraging poor people to immigrate here?

So you are hinting that is was actually poor people and not just white people?

 

[AProudLefty]

Yet I'm not going to be so racist, as to suggest that only whites come from Europe.

Hmm it appears that I have some memory problems.... can you please remind me when the poem was written?

 

[Lovebug]

Poor isn't the point. It's if you can work, and support yourself.

Not continually being a drain on government services.

Lots of people stand on their own two feet. They come here for a better life, not to be on the dole, but to be successful.
Those people are from all over the world. They are thankful to be given a chance. They want to work hard, they want to better themselves. They are of all colors and shades and ethnic backgrounds.
May be some of them need a helping hand, and that is ok with me. I think the rule not to become dependent on welfare is a long established one for foreigners. Not sure when we started looking the other way. Not sure when we started making handouts and disregard for our laws a priority. My guess is it has to do with partisans wanting to stay in power (both sides).
So lets look in this "HOOD" grandstanding.
Any and all excuses for votes, for power. Right?
But, who are the racists? The ones who assume that the less prosperous are the brown people, the black people?
Who are the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the homeless?
All are welcome. Black, brown, white.
Nowhere in TNC does it mention "beware of the HOODS" or "disregard our rule of law".
But talking about legal entry doesn't make much of a partisan fanfare.
Talking about people instead of skin color doesn't signal virtue.

Of course some people see through the nonsense and are disgusted, with both sides.

 

[Fletch]

And all people are entitled to liberty and being treated equal

In order to achieve liberty people have to act through their elected representatives in state and federal government.

And your point is what?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

And your point is what?

That liberals value Liberty as a universal right.

 

[Fletch]

That liberals value Liberty as a universal right.

Do you agree with the following definition of liberty?

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.--Thomas Jefferson

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Do you agree with the following definition of liberty?

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.--Thomas Jefferson

To which I reply with this

But what is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint. Those who know what virtuous liberty is, cannot bear to see it disgraced by incapable heads, on account of their having high-sounding words in their mouths.
Edmund Burke