When AZ And Texas goes Blue....

[Luther]

...Isn't California a net tax contributor to the feds, and the single largest state economy? It seems to me that whatever they're doing is working.

It seems to me that whatever they're doing is working.

*Cough*


California faces a $1 trillion unfunded pension liability and lawmakers focus on foam and plastic straws – Orange County Register

 

[Luther]

Right, but given the demonization and lack of outreach, that rising population is firmly in the democrat camp.

Here's the Trumper pandering(wink)

Mr. Trump flavored his typical campaign speech with repeated references to Hispanics, boasting that unemployment among Hispanics was at a record low, calling attention to the beginning of Hispanic Heritage Month and asserting that Hispanics love him. He asked how many in the arena were Hispanic, and a sizable share of the audience cheered in response.

Trump Tries to Woo Hispanic Voters at Rally in New Mexico - The New York Times

 

[KLATTU]

Well there you go . Record lows. Can't argue that

 

[Luther]

Well there you go . Record lows. Can't argue that

Yes, record low Hispanic unemployment for illegal aliens and Non-American citizens as well?

You must include them now

Here is an example(wink)

Not everyone is panning "Fools gold"

Trump Administration announces additional 30,000 seasonal worker visas | WPMT FOX43

 

[ocean515]

Why then the rhetoric from the politicians on the right? Are you saying they're going really hard for very few votes? How stupid is that?

Since, as you say, it doesn't get them votes, why don't they just jettison the anti-gay people and go after the bigger number of votes? It seems smarter to me and they could completely negate this "false canard."

What rhetoric? Be specific.

 

[ocean515]

Can you be specific about which Hispanics you think want open borders?
Who exactly are these 1 issue voters and are the same as 2A voters? Or maybe those against abortion?

Which Hispanics? What, you want names? Can you be a little more specific? I provided a video of one of the most powerful politicians in California admitting half his family is illegal. California is a sanctuary State. The politicians who have put out this welcome mat have been voted into office by Hispanics, and others.

So what is it you think you can deny?

 

[ocean515]

...Isn't California a net tax contributor to the feds, and the single largest state economy? It seems to me that whatever they're doing is working.

Well, they certainly would like people to think that.

However, when you cut through the usual Progressive lies and distortions, the looming disaster is just below the surface. You can ignore that, but if you want to be informed, read the article in the link below. The article is a couple years old, and the numbers are worse today. It might open your eyes, or not.

California's Boom Is Poised To Go Bust -- And Liberals' Dream Of Scandinavia On The Pacific

 

[Master Debator]

2. Eventually, I believe, the Republican party will be reborn as a party that represents the interests of the other ethnicities in this fast changing country.

:lamo

 

[Luther]

:lamo

Such a "Master debater" with that post?(LOL)

 

[Slartibartfast]

1. States like Texas and Arizona will, indeed, soon become blue because the Democratic party fully supports the interests of the growing Hispanic population, which is on track to becoming the majority ethnicity of this country.

2. Eventually, I believe, the Republican party will be reborn as a party that represents the interests of the other ethnicities in this fast changing country.

a. It may, however, eventually never ever again be able to elect a Republican as President or even Senators. (Here in California, for example, the Republicans are, for all intents and purposes, totally irrelevant. As goes California, so goes the nation.)

They will definitely have to change their platform over the next few years. My hope is that they become more libertarian and less religious. It would be nice to only have to disagree with them on economic issues. And it would be better for the country to have a smaller set of issues to fight over.

Who knows what the new platform will be though, I certainly don't.

 

[Luther]

Which Hispanics? What, you want names? Can you be a little more specific? I provided a video of one of the most powerful politicians in California admitting half his family is illegal. California is a sanctuary State. The politicians who have put out this welcome mat have been voted into office by Hispanics, and others.

So what is it you think you can deny?

I provided a video of one of the most powerful politicians in California admitting half his family is illegal

Wait a minute!

So many Trump supporters tell us that so many Hispanics are against illegal immigration(LOL)

 

[ocean515]

Wait a minute!

So many Trump supporters tell us that so many Hispanics are against illegal immigration(LOL)

Well, because there are Hispanics against illegal immigration.

 

[Luther]

They will definitely have to change their platform over the next few years. My hope is that they become more libertarian and less religious. It would be nice to only have to disagree with them on economic issues. And it would be better for the country to have a smaller set of issues to fight over.

Who knows what the new platform will be though, I certainly don't.

My hope is that they become more libertarian and less religious

Oh my God, here comes the "Hope"(LOL)

" He that lives on Hope will die fasting"

- Ben Franklin

 

[Luther]

Well, because there are Hispanics against illegal immigration.

Yep, it really showed in the state that has the most of them per capita didn't it?(LOL)


2018 United States Senate election in New Mexico - Wikipedia

 

[Slartibartfast]

Well, because there are Hispanics against illegal immigration.

Sure there are some, but, overall, Latinos are becoming increasingly unhappy with the situation.

Most Latinos Now Say It’s Gotten Worse For Them In The U.S. | FiveThirtyEight

Thomas Kennedy, the political director of the Florida Immigrant Coalition, said that Trump’s rhetoric helps reinforce general fears of harassment and concerns Latinos already have about issues like deportation. That same Pew survey found, for instance, that immigrant Latinos were particularly concerned about their place in America; two-thirds, regardless of their own immigration or citizenship status, say that they are worried about the possibility of deportation. “The hostility from Trump is a constant thing that’s happening in the background,” he said. “It makes the threat hard to forget, and it heightens a sense of vulnerability, your fear that your community is being targeted.”

I wonder how much could have been done to improve Latino and Conservative relations if the rhetoric was softer actually, even without policy change. But that ship has sailed at this point.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh my God, here comes the "Hope"(LOL)

" He that lives on Hope will die fasting"

- Ben Franklin

Well, I do hope, to do so even when things suck is a sign of strength.

However, I do what I gotta do in life. Right now, I just finished raising my son, now its time to pay off the house in the next few years

The other thing is that I am a straight, white, middle class male with a good job. I'll be fine. But I do want better for this country.

 

[ocean515]

Sure there are some, but, overall, Latinos are becoming increasingly unhappy with the situation.

Most Latinos Now Say It’s Gotten Worse For Them In The U.S. | FiveThirtyEight

I wonder how much could have been done to improve Latino and Conservative relations if the rhetoric was softer actually, even without policy change. But that ship has sailed at this point.

I would think legal citizens and residents of Hispanic origin would find things worse. You can't have 20+ million illegal aliens taking jobs, housing, etc., and not be impacted.

There is no way to get around the primary issue of illegal aliens, in a way that would be softer. How would that be possible?

First, the left doesn't want to resolve the issue. Period. The President offered the NDP leadership more than they were asking for regarding "Dreamers", etc., and they rejected it.

Illegal aliens break the law every day they reside in the country. There is no sugar coating that.

If it's not PC to discuss the facts, too bad.

The left is pandering to the Hispanic community. Just like they did to Black communities before abandoning them for the larger demographic in the Hispanic category.

If you cut through the rhetoric, Hispanic families have far more in common with the objectives of the Republican party than the NDP.

Religious, family oriented, hard working, conservative in terms of general values, etc..

But when a group says they will do something to protect that illegal alien family member, who would you support?

 

[Luther]

Well, I do hope, to do so even when things suck is a sign of strength.

However, I do what I gotta do in life. Right now, I just finished raising my son, now its time to pay off the house in the next few years

The other thing is that I am a straight, white, middle class male with a good job. I'll be fine. But I do want better for this country.

However, I do what I gotta do in life. Right now, I just finished raising my son, now its time to pay off the house in the next few years

The other thing is that I am a straight, white, middle class male with a good job. I'll be fine. But I do want better for this country.

Imagine our founders thinking the way you do and not pledging their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor

I always have a different way of looking at things

 

[Slartibartfast]

Imagine our founders thinking the way you do and not pledging their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor

I always have a different way of looking at things

Sorry, I am not quite sure what you are getting at.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I would think legal citizens and residents of Hispanic origin would find things worse. You can't have 20+ million illegal aliens taking jobs, housing, etc., and not be impacted.

There is no way to get around the primary issue of illegal aliens, in a way that would be softer. How would that be possible?

First, the left doesn't want to resolve the issue. Period. The President offered the NDP leadership more than they were asking for regarding "Dreamers", etc., and they rejected it.

Illegal aliens break the law every day they reside in the country. There is no sugar coating that.

If it's not PC to discuss the facts, too bad.

The left is pandering to the Hispanic community. Just like they did to Black communities before abandoning them for the larger demographic in the Hispanic category.

If you cut through the rhetoric, Hispanic families have far more in common with the objectives of the Republican party than the NDP.

Religious, family oriented, hard working, conservative in terms of general values, etc..

But when a group says they will do something to protect that illegal alien family member, who would you support?

Ultimately its up to conservatives to find a solution. Older whites are starting to die off and they need fresh blood. What do you suggest in order to attract new voters if changing this policy is not the answer?

 

[Luther]

Sure there are some, but, overall, Latinos are becoming increasingly unhappy with the situation.

Most Latinos Now Say It’s Gotten Worse For Them In The U.S. | FiveThirtyEight

I wonder how much could have been done to improve Latino and Conservative relations if the rhetoric was softer actually, even without policy change. But that ship has sailed at this point.

I wonder how much could have been done to improve Latino and Conservative relations

As much as Trump relations with blacks?

Don't everyone stand up at once!(LOL)

 

[rocket88]

What rhetoric? Be specific.

You want me to do ypur work? LMGTFY

Eric Porterfield: Republican lawmaker who compared LGBT+ people to KKK urged to resign | The Independent

Missouri Republican slammed as '''homophobic''' by his kids loses election

 

[ocean515]

Ultimately its up to conservatives to find a solution. Older whites are starting to die off and they need fresh blood. What do you suggest in order to attract new voters if changing this policy is not the answer?

Well, I'm one of those older whites who is entering the last laps of life. That gives me the benefit of wisdom which doesn't exist in millennials and younger.

In my experience, this kind of thing runs in cycles. Right now, the radical socialists, who now call themselves "Progressives", are at the final zenith of their influence.

Their grip is slipping, as their extremism is being revealed by Talib, AOC, Beto, Sanders, Warren, etc.. They are getting desperate, as we can see in D.C.. This unprecedented offensive against a duly elected President will not go down well.

American's work through President's they don't like, and then elect a new President more their liking at the next election.

They don't try to burn a President at the stake, as the New Democratic Party and their entrenched operatives throughout the Federal Government have been doing since the moment President Trump was elected.

Reminds me of the late '60's.

With that in mind, if history is any indicator, this period of extremism by the left will pass. The Progressives will be defeated, and the country will return to some bit of sanity.

I think that is years away, because we still have to get through the period when the next Democrat who sits in the White House gets destroyed. Eye for an Eye.

After that, I think we as citizens of one nation will become more unified, because the propaganda driving wedges from the left will no longer be spreading. That will take care of the illegal alien problem that is harming the nation, and Hispanics will be seen as the hard working part of the melting pot they deserve.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Well, I'm one of those older whites who is entering the last laps of life. That gives me the benefit of wisdom which doesn't exist in millennials and younger.

In my experience, this kind of thing runs in cycles. Right now, the radical socialists, who now call themselves "Progressives", are at the final zenith of their influence.

Their grip is slipping, as their extremism is being revealed by Talib, AOC, Beto, Sanders, Warren, etc.. They are getting desperate, as we can see in D.C.. This unprecedented offensive against a duly elected President will not go down well.

American's work through President's they don't like, and then elect a new President more their liking at the next election.

They don't try to burn a President at the stake, as the New Democratic Party and their entrenched operatives throughout the Federal Government have been doing since the moment President Trump was elected.

Reminds me of the late '60's.

With that in mind, if history is any indicator, this period of extremism by the left will pass. The Progressives will be defeated, and the country will return to some bit of sanity.

I think that is years away, because we still have to get through the period when the next Democrat who sits in the White House gets destroyed. Eye for an Eye.

After that, I think we as citizens of one nation will become more unified, because the propaganda driving wedges from the left will no longer be spreading.

You should look at the polling of stances for young Millennials and Gen Z. So far the evidence doesn't support your assertion.

The second flaw in your analysis is that you seem to predicate your view on things running in cycles around a mythical static center. Any even cursory glance at the history of this country or history of societies in general does not assert this notion, but instead that cultures evolve. New ideas come, current ideas evolve, old ideas die or transform, sometimes to be reborn a while later (but not often). For example, much of current culture was formed in the 1920s to 1940s after a major technological, financial, and military shock. We are experiencing a new shock and its changing those basic assumptions again.

Don't get me wrong, us liberals will overstep, we are famous for it, but when the pendulum swings back, I suspect we will find a very different type of conservative than we know today.

 

[ocean515]

You want me to do ypur work? LMGTFY

Eric Porterfield: Republican lawmaker who compared LGBT+ people to KKK urged to resign | The Independent

Missouri Republican slammed as '''homophobic''' by his kids loses election

A couple people. I haven't denied that. You got real big time domestic terrorists on your side, want to deny that?

The vast majority of people don't care about LGBT issues. Get on with life, marry who you want, etc..

Do you see Republicans chasing gay people out of restaurants? Do you see them ponding on the doors of gay peoples homes?