When AZ And Texas goes Blue....

[ocean515]

And what is this party and what does it do? Nothing appears to be online ...

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Thanks for sharing.

so you got nothing, huh?

 

[ocean515]

We're already at a point where a lot of people want to steer clear of either party. Sorry, but i can't picture that anti-gay rhetoric is going to fly with millenial voters, and they will get their time.

Anti gay?

The number of people who reject the left and are anti gay, is a tiny number relative to the number who don't give gays any thought.

The anti gay thing is just a propaganda point the indoctrinators use to gin up emotions among the gullible.

 

[ocean515]

so you got nothing, huh?

Not at all. But I don't give a damn what you think, so I'm not going waste any time with your BS other than what I have wasted already.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Not at all. But I don't give a damn what you think, so I'm not going waste any time with your BS other than what I have wasted already.

yup, you got nothing

 

[ocean515]

yup, you got nothing

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Luther]

I didn't disagree with your opinion regarding Texas turning blue.

Most Hispanics, according to leadership, have many family members who are illegal aliens.

The NDP panders to Hispanics via it's open border policies. It panders to Hispanics via its sanctuary policies. It's the Hispanic population that is bringing about the voter shift.

The problem is, this population is historically poor.

When the state shifts, as it has in California, the programs used to attract support, (rewarding illegals, welfare, food stamps, etc..) end up cause a dramatic need for more revenue, which leads to higher taxes to pay for the millions of takers who suck up the budget.

Taxes go up, people move out, all that's left are the poor.

That's California's future. It's now unavoidable. When California collapses, that will cause harm, and the reason it did will be clear to everyone outside of it.

That, IMO, will stop the warp speed shift to the left across the Nation.

When people see that socialist Progressivism leads to unsustainable economies and ruin, things will change.

I didn't disagree with your opinion regarding Texas turning blue.

But, I asked you this specifically

Would you consider "Beto" a radical?

The guy who only lost by about 3 points to Ted Cruz in Texas

Beto is the guy who will take your AR-15 away right?

Most Hispanics, according to leadership, have many family members who are illegal aliens.

But remember the BS we always hear that Hispanics by majority are against illegal immigration?(LOL)

When the state shifts, as it has in California, the programs used to attract support, (rewarding illegals, welfare, food stamps, etc..) end up cause a dramatic increase in taxes to pay for the millions of takers who suck up the budget.

Taxes go up, people move out, all that's left are the poor.

There are plenty of stupid rich people who will remain in Calif. If what you say is true, me and you will be gone for a long time anyway

 

[Perotista]

What will the GOP do?

Me thinks in the near future this will happen

Parties adjust, things happen. After the 1964 Goldwater debacle pundits were saying after LBJ's trouncing of him, that the Democrats were beginning another 20 year run of presidents. No one saw how Vietnam would effect LBJ and tear the Democratic party apart. Nixon emerged a winning just four years later.

Watergate year of 1974 were suppose to decimate the Republican Party, Nixon resigned, the GOP lost 59 seats in the house, The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate. Carter won in 1976. But then came Reagan in 1980. The misery index was too high and too hot for Jimmy and the Democratic Party to handle.

Then came the Republican lock on the presidency. With the south now in GOP hands, books were written on how it would be 20 years before another Democrat won the presidency. Then here comes Bill Clinton in 1992.

But there is a difference, we didn't have the polarization and ultra high partisanship back then as we do today. Today in my opinion both major parties put the good of the party miles and miles above the good of the country. Where the Republican Party was able to move toward the middle after 1964, the Democrats moving too far left after Watergate, then moving back toward the middle causing the election of the founder of the conservative Democratic organization, the DLC to become president in 1992, party's adjust.

I have no doubt that Texas, Arizona, probably Georgia and North Carolina will turn blue. Then adjustments, major unforeseen events, probably the Democrats taking the country way too far left for middle America. I mean political ideology wise, not geographical, the Republican Party will return.

Another big difference is the rise in independents, swing voters and the shrinking of the two major parties. In 2006 30% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that is up to 41%. The Democrats have dropped from 35-30% over this time, the Republicans from 30% down to 26%. The American People don't like either major party. Mainly I suppose by the polarization and ultra high partisanship that prevents them from working together for the betterment of this country. Only for their political party.

 

[ocean515]

But, I asked you this specifically





But remember the BS we always hear that Hispanics by majority are against illegal immigration?(LOL)





There are plenty of stupid rich people who will remain in Calif. If what you say is true, me and you will be gone for a long time anyway

I don't care about Beto. I'm commenting on the bigger picture.

I wonder if he would get the same support now that people have seen what a truly lame guy he is.

If it hadn't been for the political suicide the New Democratic Party is engaging in in Washington D.C., I think Texas would likely go the way of California.

That's probably going to take longer now.

But it's success attracts failures who want to take from it. That demographic shift will likely turn Texas Blue.

 

[HumblePi]

I saw speech by Ted Cruz during the Republican primaries where he addressed that very point. He said that demographics in Texas would turn the state blue soon and that would end the chances forever of a Republican President. His suggestion was that the party engage Hispanics and women.

We know how well Trump did with that suggestion!

Ted Cruz is a pompous lying fool. Cruz has never had Latino support in his home state of Texas. He lost the Latino vote by an incredible 20 points, when GW Bush carried it. He's popular almost exclusively among hard right conservative whites, and won't win many Latino votes outside of right wing Cubans. Ted Cruz could have played up his Latino image more just as Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio had done but he knew that when it comes down to money that it's wealthy whites that he needs to play to, not Hispanics.

 

[Luther]

Parties adjust, things happen. After the 1964 Goldwater debacle pundits were saying after LBJ's trouncing of him, that the Democrats were beginning another 20 year run of presidents. No one saw how Vietnam would effect LBJ and tear the Democratic party apart. Nixon emerged a winning just four years later.

Watergate year of 1974 were suppose to decimate the Republican Party, Nixon resigned, the GOP lost 59 seats in the house, The Democrats had a filibuster proof senate. Carter won in 1976. But then came Reagan in 1980. The misery index was too high and too hot for Jimmy and the Democratic Party to handle.

Then came the Republican lock on the presidency. With the south now in GOP hands, books were written on how it would be 20 years before another Democrat won the presidency. Then here comes Bill Clinton in 1992.

But there is a difference, we didn't have the polarization and ultra high partisanship back then as we do today. Today in my opinion both major parties put the good of the party miles and miles above the good of the country. Where the Republican Party was able to move toward the middle after 1964, the Democrats moving too far left after Watergate, then moving back toward the middle causing the election of the founder of the conservative Democratic organization, the DLC to become president in 1992, party's adjust.

I have no doubt that Texas, Arizona, probably Georgia and North Carolina will turn blue. Then adjustments, major unforeseen events, probably the Democrats taking the country way too far left for middle America. I mean political ideology wise, not geographical, the Republican Party will return.

Another big difference is the rise in independents, swing voters and the shrinking of the two major parties. In 2006 30% of the electorate identified themselves as independents, today that is up to 41%. The Democrats have dropped from 35-30% over this time, the Republicans from 30% down to 26%. The American People don't like either major party. Mainly I suppose by the polarization and ultra high partisanship that prevents them from working together for the betterment of this country. Only for their political party.

Parties adjust, things happen. After the 1964 Goldwater debacle pundits were saying after LBJ's trouncing of him, that the Democrats were beginning another 20 year run of presidents. No one saw how Vietnam would effect LBJ and tear the Democratic party apart. Nixon emerged a winning just four years later.

In my opinion, your reply is obsolete(No offense)

We're heading in uncharted waters because of years of too high immigration especially after the 1965/1990 immigration acts

unintended consequences

 

[washunut]

What will the GOP do?

Me thinks in the near future this will happen

Perhaps a better question is what would both parties do if most people would not vote in interest group blocs and vote on policy issues and quality of candidate.

Me thinks this is unlikely to happen in the near future. Sad.

 

[Luther]

Perhaps a better question is what would both parties do if most people would not vote in interest group blocs and vote on policy issues and quality of candidate.

Me thinks this is unlikely to happen in the near future. Sad.

Does it matter?

Do we not have a weak/vain American society?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Does it matter?

Do we not have a weak/vain American society?

weak enough that a child scares them

 

[Luther]

weak enough that a child scares them

I don't follow?

 

[Slartibartfast]

I don't follow?

... and I just realized I mixed up threads ... LOL

Not the topic ...

 

[Nap]

The GOP will do what both parties always do in a system where two parties have the strong hold . . .

they will simply move in a direction closer to whatever they have to while holding on to select things . . . Yes currently if that happens it will be a huge GOP issue but thats only currently . . .


I wish there was a magical way to get away from the two party system and the strangle hold it has on us all . . when it comes to politics if i could just make some wishes come true party structure and big money involvement is what i would fix first.

I do find it humorous all of the talk about Republicans never having a President again as if they won't make an adjustment, it makes you realize just how shallow their thought process goes.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I do find it humorous all of the talk about Republicans never having a President again as if they won't make an adjustment, it makes you realize just how shallow their thought process goes.

"we can't have exactly what we want, when we want, everything is broken now!"

... this is how a five year old thinks

 

[ocean515]

weak enough that a child scares them

LOL

Greta doesn't scare anyone. What scary is that adults would use a child to hide behind. That's abuse, and that should always be called out.

Using children to push a political agenda, is the lowest of lows.

This has been done before.

 

[Luther]

I don't care about Beto. I'm commenting on the bigger picture.

I wonder if he would get the same support now that people have seen what a truly lame guy he is.

If it hadn't been for the political suicide the New Democratic Party is engaging in in Washington D.C., I think Texas would likely go the way of California.

That's probably going to take longer now.

But it's success attracts failures who want to take from it. That demographic shift will likely turn Texas Blue.

I don't care about Beto. I'm commenting on the bigger picture.

I brought up Beto because you said this

When the radicals took control of the old Democratic National Committee, effectively reorganizing it as the New Democratic Party, the warp speed to the left is leaving a foul taste in the mouths of everyday Americans.

Again Beto only lost by 3 points in TEXAS

Oh my

I wonder if he would get the same support now that people have seen what a truly lame guy he is

Come on, there was plenty of Right wing Beto attack before the AR-15 comment

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I can see where they could attract more hispanic voters if they drop the racists, given that many hispanics aren't so keep on abortion. That could mitigate the need to attract more women voters.

Damn man we all thought you were dead. How have you been? Welcome back.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Would you consider "Beto" a radical?

The guy who only lost by about 3 points to Ted Cruz in Texas

Beto is the guy who will take your AR-15 away right?

Yep, while opening the border (tear down those walls!) and offering all manner of "free" goods/services to any and all US residents. He gives this message in both Spanish and English. Texas, like most states, has the bulk of its population residing in a few very large (blue?) cities and their surrounding suburbs (Houston, San Antonio and Dallas/Fort Worth).

 

[Slartibartfast]

Damn man we all thought you were dead. How have you been? Welcome back.

Working on my career and helping my aspy son mostly. I came back for the lulz.

Thank you.

 

[AGENT J]

I do find it humorous all of the talk about Republicans never having a President again as if they won't make an adjustment, it makes you realize just how shallow their thought process goes.

i agree if somebody makes that blanket statement thats absurd but another problem is people throw words around that have made up meanings or use them in inaccurate ways . .
ask 10 people what a liberal, democrat, conservative and or republican is and you probably get at least 8 different answers

if texas goes blue we very well may not have a republican president like people stereotypically think of ever gain but we most certainly will have one with an R after their name . . thats just the reality. unfortunately. of our two party system and thats not a knock on the right thats a knock on the two party system

 

[Luther]

I do find it humorous all of the talk about Republicans never having a President again as if they won't make an adjustment, it makes you realize just how shallow their thought process goes.

I remember Trumpers saying many of time that Trump is NOT a conservative before the election