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What we feel 'pride' in when we march.

iamwhatiseem said:
At what point did I say the state was involved in religious marriage - I literally said "there are basically two separate marriages" - religious and civil.

I don't know what a WASP is?
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W-A-S-P. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
It's an acronym for the perceived ruling class in America.
 
btthegreat said:
I am not sure what problem you have with what I wrote. I literally never referenced any ideology or party affiliation in that post so there is nothing for you to be so sensitive about. I referenced homophobes and bigots. They are still out there, and they still impact lives. You don't sound as though you meet that criteria. So you can relax, be as conservative as you choose, and not worry yourself with gay pride parades or pride month. You don't have to signal your virtue any more than you just finished signaling it. This little essay was written for those who could not figure out what we were 'so proud of' and it was written in 2021. Every year I bump the thread because I keep finding ignorant folk who claiming we are proud of our homosexuality.
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"Systemic efforts to shame us" - bullshit.
Poor little thing.
There isn't half the "gay shaming" going on as "Christian hostility" and "white shaming".
Not even half.
I will turn 60 pretty soon, which means I graduated high school in the early 80s.
Gay boys were absolutely tortured back then. If a kid showed the slightest "faggy" signs - they had a high risk of getting physically assaulted - repeatedly. They were relentlessly teased.
That is no longer, isolated instances - no doubt. But not widespread. By the 2000s I believe the height of gay/straight relations had been reached. Overwhelmingly we got along.
Until the perpetually outraged felt like they needed to create larger problems than existed. Painting half the nation as homophobes and transphobes.
I realize they are the minority within the gay community. The majority just want to live their lives like everyone else. A large number of them very much wished the whole LGBQT++++ would go the f*ck away and leave them in peace.
I am with them.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
"Systemic efforts to shame us" - bullshit.
Poor little thing.
There isn't half the "gay shaming" going on as "Christian hostility" and "white shaming".
Not even half.
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iamwhatiseem said:
I will turn 60 pretty soon, which means I graduated high school in the early 80s.
Gay boys were absolutely tortured back then. If a kid showed the slightest "faggy" signs - they had a high risk of getting physically assaulted - repeatedly. They were relentlessly teased.
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Should we return to those times?

iamwhatiseem said:
That is no longer, isolated instances - no doubt. But not widespread. By the 2000s I believe the height of gay/straight relations had been reached. Overwhelmingly we got along.
Until the perpetually outraged felt like they needed to create larger problems than existed. Painting half the nation as homophobes and transphobes.
I realize they are the minority within the gay community. The majority just want to live their lives like everyone else. A large number of them very much wished the whole LGBQT++++ would go the f*ck away and leave them in peace.
I am with them.
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Each year I 'bump' this thread, because over the course of each year, there are new posters who ask me why anyone feels pride in being gay. So during pride month, I try to answer that question. Why re-invent the wheel? Don't worry, I will let this thread hibernate for 11 months.
 
The sentiment "Pride should be in what one does for others and not for what one is" suggests that a healthy sense of pride comes from actions and contributions, rather than inherent qualities or characteristics. This aligns with the idea that actions and service to others are more valuable and fulfilling than focusing on self-identity or personal achievements.
 
LittleNipper said:
The sentiment "Pride should be in what one does for others and not for what one is" suggests that a healthy sense of pride comes from actions and contributions, rather than inherent qualities or characteristics. This aligns with the idea that actions and service to others are more valuable and fulfilling than focusing on self-identity or personal achievements.
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One does not preclude the other. You can focus on self- identity. You can serve others. You can feel a healthy sense pride. Why are you creating a false hierarchy or a false choice here. The only 'rather than' is one that you invented out of nothing.

You know those 'inherent qualities and characteristics' hopefully include, grace, courage, forgiveness, empathy and honesty and those are often reflected in the decisions one makes in one's coming out process.
 
btthegreat said:
One does not preclude the other. You can focus on self- identity. You can serve others. You can feel a healthy sense pride. Why are you creating a false hierarchy or a false choice here. The only 'rather than' is one that you invented out of nothing.

You know those 'inherent qualities and characteristics' hopefully include, grace, courage, forgiveness, empathy and honesty and those are often reflected in the decisions one makes in one's coming out process.
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Let's regard this matter. Should one be "proud" because HE is a MALE? Should one be "proud" because HE is WHITE? Should one be "Proud" because HE is HANDSOME? Should one be "proud" of his sexual exploits? The Bible Proverbs 16:18 states, "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall

1 Corinthians 13:4
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.​

 
LittleNipper said:
Let's regard this matter. Should one be "proud" because HE is a MALE? Should one be "proud" because HE is WHITE? Should one be "Proud" because HE is HANDSOME? Should one be "proud" of his sexual exploits? The Bible Proverbs 16:18 states, "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall

1 Corinthians 13:4​

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.​

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You are not regarding the matter, I know that because you keep sidestepping the entire premise behind the OP. If you are not capable of understanding the OP, I won't waste my time. If you did not bother to read it, I won't waste my time. If you are ignoring the OP, I won't waste my time. Those are the only three choices here. Quoting the Bible, as evidence of anything is usually a pretty stupid move. In this context it definitely is. Goodbye LittleNipper. You are not worthy of reply here.
 
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btthegreat said:
We do not feel pride in' being gay' or ' being trans' or in our sexuality or gender identity at all. Gay/trans pride is about the personal coming out process and how we handled those challenges.
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What does that have to do with dancing around inappropriately and near naked in parades that is all about sex and sexuality and not about a Coming Out Process?

btthegreat said:
We feel personal and collective pride in how we responded to the social pressure, the stigma, the systemic efforts to shame and control us by the straight cisgender majority throughout decades and centuries of repression.
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Maybe stop dancing around naked in parades...




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Bodi said:
What does that have to do with dancing around inappropriately and near naked in parades that is all about sex and sexuality and not about a Coming Out Process?



Maybe stop dancing around naked in parades...




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You must be enjoying watching our parades to notice. I am glad you got to ogle.
 
Bodi said:
What does that have to do with dancing around inappropriately and near naked in parades that is all about sex and sexuality and not about a Coming Out Process?



Maybe stop dancing around naked in parades...




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Don’t go near a beach if you have a problem with seeing people that are near naked walking around and sometimes dancing! And DEFINITELY don’t go near any of the music venues in beach towns either!
 
btthegreat said:
Each year I 'bump' this thread, because over the course of each year, there are new posters who ask me why anyone feels pride in being gay. So during pride month, I try to answer that question. Why re-invent the wheel? Don't worry, I will let this thread hibernate for 11 months.
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Perhaps it isn’t so much “pride” as it is no longer needing to feel shame.
 
NJBob said:
Perhaps it isn’t so much “pride” as it is no longer needing to feel shame.
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I’ve enjoyed every Pride event I’ve gone to. And I take my son to one hosted by a local church annually.

There are always a ton of craft and food vendors, live music from local artists, events for the family and kids throughout the day, etc.

Plus it is amusing to watch the local Bible thumpers come out with their signs telling about fire and brimstone - protesting an event at a church 😂
 
BirdinHand said:
I’ve enjoyed every Pride event I’ve gone to. And I take my son to one hosted by a local church annually.

There are always a ton of craft and food vendors, live music from local artists, events for the family and kids throughout the day, etc.

Plus it is amusing to watch the local Bible thumpers come out with their signs telling about fire and brimstone - protesting an event at a church 😂
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One would hope Bible thumpers would take their Christianity to heart and spread a message of love not hate.
 
btthegreat said:
You are not regarding the matter, I know that because you keep sidestepping the entire premise behind the OP. If you are not capable of understanding the OP, I won't waste my time. If you did not bother to read it, I won't waste my time. If you are ignoring the OP, I won't waste my time. Those are the only three choices here. Quoting the Bible, as evidence of anything is usually a pretty stupid move. In this context it definitely is. Goodbye LittleNipper. You are not worthy of reply here.
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It would seem that your "OP" is not about debate but a desire for total agreement. And because I brought up the Bible (and that's stupid move on my part according to YOU) how would you feel if I said bringing up YOUR lifestyle should be a matter of privacy and not something to air publicly. At least I'm not calling you unworthy. As a Christian in public school I was sometimes ridiculed and told that my biblical views didn't count for anything. It would seem that individuals seeking freedom for their lifestyle, have their own limitations regarding the views of others. Perhaps you'd be wise to follow your own judgement regarding others, "One would hope Bible thumpers would take their Christianity to heart and spread a message of love not hate."
 
LittleNipper said:
It would seem that your "OP" is not about debate but a desire for total agreement. And because I brought up the Bible (and that's stupid move on my part according to YOU) how would you feel if I said bringing up YOUR lifestyle should be a matter of privacy and not something to air publicly. At least I'm not calling you unworthy. As a Christian in public school I was sometimes ridiculed and told that my biblical views didn't count for anything. It would seem that individuals seeking freedom for their lifestyle, have their own limitations regarding the views of others. Perhaps you'd be wise to follow your own judgement regarding others, "One would hope Bible thumpers would take their Christianity to heart and spread a message of love not hate."
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Most people outgrow their imaginary friends by the time they start kindergarten., You should think about doing the same because we don't care about you cherry-picking hateful passages from the Goatherds Guide to the Universe.

Matt 7:12
Luke 6:31
Matt 7:1-3
 
btthegreat said:
You must be enjoying watching our parades to notice. I am glad you got to ogle.
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Some of the outfits are interesting, if not inappropriate and disrespectful. Once it is clear it is about dancing around near-naked and not a Parade about Pride I change the channel. Haven't seen one in 25 years... they don't make the news here.


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BirdinHand said:
Don’t go near a beach if you have a problem with seeing people that are near naked walking around and sometimes dancing! And DEFINITELY don’t go near any of the music venues in beach towns either!
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You missed the point... that is ok though. LOL

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LittleNipper said:
It would seem that your "OP" is not about debate but a desire for total agreement. And because I brought up the Bible (and that's stupid move on my part according to YOU) how would you feel if I said bringing up YOUR lifestyle should be a matter of privacy and not something to air publicly. At least I'm not calling you unworthy. As a Christian in public school I was sometimes ridiculed and told that my biblical views didn't count for anything. It would seem that individuals seeking freedom for their lifestyle, have their own limitations regarding the views of others. Perhaps you'd be wise to follow your own judgement regarding others, "One would hope Bible thumpers would take their Christianity to heart and spread a message of love not hate."
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Considering I grew up in a world where engagements and marriages were posted in local newspapers, it’s weird to demand that those individuals who happen to love someone of their same gender do so “privately” when those who love someone of a different gender have been publically celebrating and displaying that love for all to see - forever.

Why hold a double standard? 🤷‍♀️
 
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