What type of gov't should the US have?

[Lucky 1]

If they don't visit RI, TS. One person, one vote. Win by getting more of them. The current EC only has one effective purpose now : to help Republicans who can't get more votes win. **** that.

If we did it by popular vote....candidates would campaign very differently then they do now and the outcome would probably been the same.

Saying that it exists simply to elect republicans is historically incorrect.

Donald Trump simply understood the electoral system and did a better job of working it from the angle of electoral total then Hillary did. Why??? Because he knew that the popular vote doesn't matter and the job is to work the existing system and get elected........

if the system was by popular vote....Donald Trump would have undoubtedly more fully worked that system and still won because Hillary was not a good campaigner.

I'll stick with what we have now...its fair and it works and the candidates understand what they have to do to win

 

[Helix]

If we did it by popular vote....candidates would campaign very differently then they do now and the outcome would probably been the same.

Donald Trump simply understood the electoral system and did a better job of working it from the angle of electoral total then Hillary did. Why??? Because he knew that the popular vote doesn't matter and the job is to work the existing system and get elected........

if the system was by popular vote....Donald Trump would have undoubtedly more fully worked that system and still won because Hillary was not a good campaigner.

I'll stick with what we have now...its fair and it works and the candidates understand what they have to do to win

If they campaign differently, that's fine. As for the shouting carrot, he comprehends how to harvest hate and fear, and he uses it to benefit himself. I hope that it doesn't work in 2020.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Sometimes your guy gets elected and sometimes they don't....doesn't mean anything is wrong with the system... you just roll with it and vote again next time like I had to do through 8 years of the Obama nightmare.

Since you're still sore about the last election that saw Donald Trump take office... I'll say that I was just as terrified as you are that that lying, corrupt, incompetent, horrible evil old woman was going to get elected as you seem to be over president Trump who in my estimation is doing a very good job....but I guess for someone like you....all this prosperity must be hard to take!

If you're that unhappy with a having president who is putting America and Americans first.....then just exercise your vote next year and stop whining.

The way things are currently going though....I'm betting that Donald Trump will be re-elected in 2020 as I don't see the bulk of the electorate being likely to vote in either dementia addled Joe Biden or one of the radicals currently running on the Democratic ticket

Ah, a newb. Since you are a newb, I will forgive you just this once for this horribly mis-informed and incorrect failure and misfire of an ad hominem ****-post.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I'm honestly quite surprised there haven't been any notable Trump supporters to pick one of the Monarchist options, giving their adulation and personality cultism of the man has no equal for any other public official in modern times that I can think of. I mean, the only reason he won was because of how horrible the candidate he ran against was. Even her own supporters don't like her anymore, at least not enough to defend her scumbag of a husband. Meh, maybe they're just too chicken to come out as the extremist personality cultists they really are.

 

[Lucky 1]

Ah, a newb. Since you are a newb, I will forgive you just this once for this horribly mis-informed and incorrect failure and misfire of an ad hominem ****-post.

LOL! That a good one....tell me another!

 

[nitroexpress]

If the Democrats get anymore demented, I'd be willing to vote for a benevolent despot.

 

[nitroexpress]

Ah, a newb. Since you are a newb, I will forgive you just this once for this horribly mis-informed and incorrect failure and misfire of an ad hominem ****-post.

So disappointed in you and your misuse of your self appointed power. Lucky made a good point and you exposed yourself as far from Independent.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

So disappointed in you and your misuse of your self appointed power. Lucky made a good point and you exposed yourself as far from Independent.

What on earth are you ranting and raving about and what about me personally is so blindingly triggering to you and your ilk?

 

[American]

The Virginia portion was returned by Congress in 1846.
Ideally, there should be no permanent residents in what is considered to be the seat of government.

Doesn't answer my question.

 

[Individual]

Doesn't answer my question.

It did, look it up.

 

[American]

It did, look it up.

The question was about Northern Virginia. You didn't answer, but chosen a different question to answer.

 

[nitroexpress]

What on earth are you ranting and raving about and what about me personally is so blindingly triggering to you and your ilk?

Could it be your Elitist label machine? Could it be your Godlike powers of forgiveness? Could it be your infallibility?


Ah, a newb. Since you are a newb,
I will forgive you just this once
for this horribly mis-informed and incorrect failure and misfire of an ad hominem ****-post.

 

[molten_dragon]

I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with our current system. We don't need a new system, just improvements to the current one. The three that I see as most important are abolishing the electoral college, replacing first past the post voting with an instant runoff/ranked choice system, and banning third party political ads.

 

[Geoist]

Since you're still sore about the last election that saw Donald Trump take office... I'll say that I was just as terrified as you are that that lying, corrupt, incompetent, horrible evil old woman was going to get elected as you seem to be over president Trump who in my estimation is doing a very good job....but I guess for someone like you....all this prosperity must be hard to take!

If you were any sort of libertarian, right or left, you would not at all think Trump is doing a 'very good job.'

 

[Individual]

The question was about Northern Virginia. You didn't answer, but chosen a different question to answer.

That is exactly what I did answer, Washington, D.C. is located entirely on land previously belonging to Maryland. The Virginia portion was returned long ago.
Look at a map if you don't believe me.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with our current system.

But, how can anyone say that - the curretn occupant aside - when we have had:
1-Unparalleled police brutality compared to around the world.
2-Unparalleled gun-centric domestic terrorist attacks compared to around the world.
3-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests anyone who wants decent healthcare is slandered as a <"cOmMuNiSt">
4-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests they would rather see our country in debt than see a Wall Street Bank fail
5-A recent series of governments so bloodthirsty and imperialist that they have successfully managed to sustain the longest war in American History through - not 1, not 2, but THREE presidents now.
6-Electoral college
7-Election systems susceptible to manipulation by foreign and special interests
8-Democracy only exists for the establishment and those who support them, challenging the status quo is considered as dangerous as terrorism, if not even more so.
9-To back up #8, we have a White House that actively aides domestic terrorists, yet they'd much rather obsess over Sanders, Warren and AOC like they're somehow the new Taliban or something.
10-To expand on #9: our broken election/presidential system ITSELF has broken our country and weakened our democracy.

I'd almost say trying something different at this point in time is not only a right, it is IMPERATIVE.

 

[BahamaBob]

But, how can anyone say that - the curretn occupant aside - when we have had:
1-Unparalleled police brutality compared to around the world.
2-Unparalleled gun-centric domestic terrorist attacks compared to around the world.
3-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests anyone who wants decent healthcare is slandered as a <"cOmMuNiSt">
4-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests they would rather see our country in debt than see a Wall Street Bank fail
5-A recent series of governments so bloodthirsty and imperialist that they have successfully managed to sustain the longest war in American History through - not 1, not 2, but THREE presidents now.
6-Electoral college
7-Election systems susceptible to manipulation by foreign and special interests
8-Democracy only exists for the establishment and those who support them, challenging the status quo is considered as dangerous as terrorism, if not even more so.
9-To back up #8, we have a White House that actively aides domestic terrorists, yet they'd much rather obsess over Sanders, Warren and AOC like they're somehow the new Taliban or something.
10-To expand on #9: our broken election/presidential system ITSELF has broken our country and weakened our democracy.

I'd almost say trying something different at this point in time is not only a right, it is IMPERATIVE.

Anyone who would post this is detached from reality and incapable of conversing with sane people.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Anyone who would post this is detached from reality and incapable of conversing with sane people.

This is a debate forum, where you are required to source your arguments and provide a cogent counter to your opponent's narrative, not a pig-pen sandbox where you get to acerebrally flame whomever's views trigger you so much.

 

[molten_dragon]

But, how can anyone say that - the curretn occupant aside - when we have had:
1-Unparalleled police brutality compared to around the world.
2-Unparalleled gun-centric domestic terrorist attacks compared to around the world.
3-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests anyone who wants decent healthcare is slandered as a <"cOmMuNiSt">
4-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests they would rather see our country in debt than see a Wall Street Bank fail
5-A recent series of governments so bloodthirsty and imperialist that they have successfully managed to sustain the longest war in American History through - not 1, not 2, but THREE presidents now.
6-Electoral college
7-Election systems susceptible to manipulation by foreign and special interests
8-Democracy only exists for the establishment and those who support them, challenging the status quo is considered as dangerous as terrorism, if not even more so.
9-To back up #8, we have a White House that actively aides domestic terrorists, yet they'd much rather obsess over Sanders, Warren and AOC like they're somehow the new Taliban or something.
10-To expand on #9: our broken election/presidential system ITSELF has broken our country and weakened our democracy.

I'd almost say trying something different at this point in time is not only a right, it is IMPERATIVE.

I don't agree with everything you posted there, but I agree with a lot of your points. What I don't agree on is that we need a completely different system of government to solve them, or that switching to a completely different system of government would guarantee any of them would get fixed (or just replace them with different, just as bad problems).

1, 2, & 5 are a cultural thing, and I don't think changing forms of government would help. The rest of them would be solved or significantly improved by the things I suggested, without a completely new form of government.

 

[Lucky 1]

If you were any sort of libertarian, right or left, you would not at all think Trump is doing a 'very good job.'

Really??? Because I think its incongruous that anyone could hold any libertarian values at all and also be "left" about anything!

 

[BahamaBob]

This is a debate forum, where you are required to source your arguments and provide a cogent counter to your opponent's narrative, not a pig-pen sandbox where you get to acerebrally flame whomever's views trigger you so much.

Yes this is a debate forum. If you post a totally moronic, nonsensical, pile of bovine excretion, someone is going to call you on it. If you don't like people calling your post stupid, don't post stupid stuff. Deal with it.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Yes this is a debate forum. If you post a totally moronic, nonsensical, pile of bovine excretion, someone is going to call you on it. If you don't like people calling your post stupid, don't post stupid stuff. Deal with it.

And on a debate forum, we have topics. If the topic is not me or my views, then you are off topic and flaming spam bull****, as I said to the previous three alt-rightards that can't see anyone who disagrees with them as anything other than a nonsensical, pile of bovine excretion, or whatever their childish word choice of petty insults were because they, like you, can't play nice with others.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

If you've got a problem with me, take it to the PM's or another part of the forum. If you're making a post about my OP not being clear enough, fine, but if you're adding to the previous alt-right topic-derailing dogpile on me not liking Trump (which INSPIRED this poll, but - you look carefully and have beyond 4th grade reading comprehension, you'll clearly be able to tell it is NOT ABOUT TRUMP AT ALL. No matter how BADLY you want to to be or how much your delusions TELL you it is) sorry, but I'm just going to ignore your posts and report you over and over and over again until you get back on ****ing topic and stop acting like a ****ing internet troll. Unless that's what you are, then I'll just ignore you indefinitely regardless of WHAT you do.

 

[Geoist]

Really??? Because I think its incongruous that anyone could hold any libertarian values at all and also be "left" about anything!

If you studied the history of libertarianism you would see it was a leftist movement. To this day, libertarians in other countries largely identify as leftist. The term was hijacked in the mid 20th century by American right wingers.

But even as a right libertarian, Trump should disturb you as much as any politician.

 

[BahamaBob]

But, how can anyone say that - the curretn occupant aside - when we have had:
1-Unparalleled police brutality compared to around the world.
2-Unparalleled gun-centric domestic terrorist attacks compared to around the world.
3-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests anyone who wants decent healthcare is slandered as a <"cOmMuNiSt">
4-A government so ineffective and so beholden to special interests they would rather see our country in debt than see a Wall Street Bank fail
5-A recent series of governments so bloodthirsty and imperialist that they have successfully managed to sustain the longest war in American History through - not 1, not 2, but THREE presidents now.
6-Electoral college
7-Election systems susceptible to manipulation by foreign and special interests
8-Democracy only exists for the establishment and those who support them, challenging the status quo is considered as dangerous as terrorism, if not even more so.
9-To back up #8, we have a White House that actively aides domestic terrorists, yet they'd much rather obsess over Sanders, Warren and AOC like they're somehow the new Taliban or something.
10-To expand on #9: our broken election/presidential system ITSELF has broken our country and weakened our democracy.

I'd almost say trying something different at this point in time is not only a right, it is IMPERATIVE.

Oh you want direct response.
1. Total BS, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You should pay attention to Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, South Africa and a hundred other countries.
2. Most of the domestic terrorist attacks in this country are carried out by radicals. Half of them imported from other countries. If we want to be a country of immigrants we can't whine when some of them turn out to be A-holes.
3. Incredibly stupid statement. Every corporation in this country is encouraged through tax incentives to give health care to their employees. Providing free healthcare to those who are unwilling to work and pay their own way is communism.
4. Every nickle and interest was quickly repaid from the bank bailouts. In a country dependent on cash flow it would be moronic to allow that cash flow to dry up and throw the country into a deep depression.
5. You must not even know what imperialism is. You must have been asleep when 9-11 happened as well.
6. Yes we have a system that gives the small states a say in our government. Considering that Trump won 5 times as many counties as Clinton it shows the system works.
7. Already proven false and debunked. Sour grapes excuse for losers.
8. The fact that the last two presidents were mavericks totally blows this idiotic statement out of the water.
9. Golly politicians talking politics who'd a thunk it. You been hiding under a rock?
10. Total nonsense and another whining point for the TDS crowd.