What type of gov't should the US have?

[Abbazorkzog]

You may have a different description somewhere, but from what I've come to understand from my research, there are nominally 7 different systems of government: Presidential, Semi-Presidential, Parliamentary republic, Unitary parliamentary states, Ceremonial constitutional Monarchy, Ceremonial executive Monarchy and Dictatorship - divided into 2 types or 'forms' of government: Republican and Monarchical.

Given where the US is, what form of government should it have? I've heard some say that a Parliamentary or Semi-Parliamentary system, with election of the President done by popular vote and the parties running a "primary" where their constituents elect the entire cabinet to a ticket that would be elected in the general as an entire party to the halls of government - which I believe would be a logical first step to rolling back the exorbitant centralization of power in the White House (reversing the roles for the time being as an emergency situation to protect the US from rogue presidents like this one for example). I've heard some argue that the US is just fine as a representative Presidential republic with the Electoral College and the two-party system. And I've heard others even argue that the US isn't that at all to begin with, but a one-party state masquerading as two parties or even a straight-up fiat dictatorship.

I personally wouldn't mind trying it Euro style, but we've definitely got to try somethign different (imo) because this **** is NOT WORKING.

 

[Gus Fring]

Tribal Federation

 

[Harshaw]

You may have a different description somewhere, but from what I've come to understand from my research, there are nominally 7 different systems of government: Presidential, Semi-Presidential, Parliamentary democracy, Parliamentary republic, Constitutional Monarchy, Executive Monarchy and Dictatorship - divided into 2 types or 'forms' of government: Republican and Monarchical.

Given where the US is, what form of government should it have? I've heard some say that a Parliamentary or Semi-Parliamentary system, with election of the President done by popular vote and the parties running a "primary" where their constituents elect the entire cabinet to a ticket that would be elected in the general as an entire party to the halls of government. I've heard some argue that the US is just fine as a representative Presidential republic with the Electoral College and the two-party system. And I've heard others even argue that the US isn't that at all to begin with, but a one-party state masquerading as two parties or even a straight-up fiat dictatorship.

I personally wouldn't mind trying it Euro style, but we've definitely got to try somethign different (imo) because this **** is NOT WORKING.

Before anyone can attempt to answer the question, we need to know what exactly you think isn't working. That can mean all kinds of things.

So let's start with what you think "working" looks like, and how it's falling short of that.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Before anyone can attempt to answer the question, we need to know what exactly you think isn't working. That can mean all kinds of things.

So let's start with what you think "working" looks like, and how it's falling short of that.

Trump is not the topic of this thread.

 

[Harshaw]

Trump is not the topic of this thread.

No kidding. Where did I say anything about Trump?

I asked you what you think isn't working about the system we have.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

No kidding. Where did I say anything about Trump?

I asked you what you think isn't working about the system we have.

...It's pretty damn obvious and if you still support the buffoon at this juncture congratz! You're part of the problem!

 

[Harshaw]

...It's pretty damn obvious and if you still support the buffoon at this juncture congratz! You're part of the problem!

If that's what you identify as the problem with the system, then your problem isn't with the system; it's with Trump.

The solution to that is to vote him out of office, not reorganize the entire government just because you detest the current officeholder.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

If that's what you identify as the problem with the system, then your problem isn't with the system; it's with Trump.

The point, which went right over your head, is that Trump is a symptom of a larger problem.

The solution to that is to vote him out of office, not reorganize the entire government just because you detest the current officeholder.

Not going to participate in the thread after all, eh? K, when you're ready to discuss the thread topic at hand (your preferred form of gov't or if it should stay the same or other) I'll come back to you, until then I will ignore your thread-derailing ****posts.

 

[Tryingtogetit]

You may have a different description somewhere, but from what I've come to understand from my research, there are nominally 7 different systems of government: Presidential, Semi-Presidential, Parliamentary republic, Unitary parliamentary states, Ceremonial constitutional Monarchy, Ceremonial executive Monarchy and Dictatorship - divided into 2 types or 'forms' of government: Republican and Monarchical.

Given where the US is, what form of government should it have? I've heard some say that a Parliamentary or Semi-Parliamentary system, with election of the President done by popular vote and the parties running a "primary" where their constituents elect the entire cabinet to a ticket that would be elected in the general as an entire party to the halls of government - which I believe would be a logical first step to rolling back the exorbitant centralization of power in the White House (reversing the roles for the time being as an emergency situation to protect the US from rogue presidents like this one for example). I've heard some argue that the US is just fine as a representative Presidential republic with the Electoral College and the two-party system. And I've heard others even argue that the US isn't that at all to begin with, but a one-party state masquerading as two parties or even a straight-up fiat dictatorship.

I personally wouldn't mind trying it Euro style, but we've definitely got to try somethign different (imo) because this **** is NOT WORKING.

You know I have been thinking about this alot. Here's what I see as the problem with a popular vote...We would forever be a pure Democrats society forever...most people who vote in all major citys are blue. That's just a fact...And 12 years ago when I was half democrat and half Republican back when I believe the Democrats genuinely cared and were not freaking insane It may have worked ok....Today it will lead to us eventually becoming a communist country...I believe this because out kids dont know nothing about history and so they are doomed to repeat it...And the way the dems have made giving government control over every aspect of there lives like it's this great thing...trust me this country is gonna get way worse than it has...And Republicans which I see myself as now...want these young people to do something I genuinely dont believe most are even capable of. We want them to stop finding ways to be a victim, go out there and work hard to become anyone they want. They are told daily all the reasons they have not nor ever will succeed and how they are owed something for nothing, that very few even consider doing anything productive with there lives..

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[rocket88]

If that's what you identify as the problem with the system, then your problem isn't with the system; it's with Trump.

The solution to that is to vote him out of office, not reorganize the entire government just because you detest the current officeholder.

Assuming that the current officeholder will abide by the law.

 

[rocket88]

You know I have been thinking about this alot. Here's what I see as the problem with a popular vote...We would forever be a pure Democrats society forever...most people who vote in all major citys are blue. That's just a fact...And 12 years ago when I was half democrat and half Republican back when I believe the Democrats genuinely cared and were not freaking insane It may have worked ok....Today it will lead to us eventually becoming a communist country...I believe this because out kids dont know nothing about history and so they are doomed to repeat it...And the way the dems have made giving government control over every aspect of there lives like it's this great thing...trust me this country is gonna get way worse than it has...And Republicans which I see myself as now...want these young people to do something I genuinely dont believe most are even capable of. We want them to stop finding ways to be a victim, go out there and work hard to become anyone they want. They are told daily all the reasons they have not nor ever will succeed and how they are owed something for nothing, that very few even consider doing anything productive with there lives..

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There ia no Republican party anymore. Just the Trumpian party. The Trumpian party believes we should just leave all of our problems up tovthe benevolence of the Great Trump.

 

[Tryingtogetit]

Assuming that the current officeholder will abide by the law.

I am not sure if or how corrupt Trump may or may not be....and that's more the dems fault than anyone because of all the lies they are caught telling about him...but let's say any thing they say ever turns out to be true...the corruption in this government started well if you read history...it start with the start of the country..I dont believe everyone in power is corrupt but I have learned there are so very few...power changes people...some feel power off of being a police officer and that power changes them some need to be polititions... some people crave the power so bad and when they get they will do any and everything to keep it...

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[WCH]

Before anyone can attempt to answer the question, we need to know what exactly you think isn't working. That can mean all kinds of things.

So let's start with what you think "working" looks like, and how it's falling short of that.

My question exactly. It was damn sure OK when Clinton or Obama were elected.

 

[Harshaw]

The point, which went right over your head, is that Trump is a symptom of a larger problem.

No, actually, nothing in your OP had anything to do with Trump.

If Trump is a "symptom of a larger problem," you haven't articulated what the problem IS.

Not going to participate in the thread after all, eh? K, when you're ready to discuss the thread topic at hand (your preferred form of gov't or if it should stay the same or other) I'll come back to you, until then I will ignore your thread-derailing ****posts.

In fact, I addressed the thread topic head-on by saying exactly how your problem, as you had defined it, should be dealt with, and that the entire government doesn't need to be reorganized just because of it.

I didn't "derail" this thread at all.

 

[Helix]

The president should be elected by popular vote. The EC has demonstrated that it is unwilling to protect the electorate from being duped by a madman, so it's time to get rid of it.

 

[Harshaw]

Assuming that the current officeholder will abide by the law.

If he doesn't, then the problem is with the officeholder, not the system.

 

[rickc]

Well it is a Republic

Now you could call it a constitutional republic or even a representative democracy

Its.all kind of convoluted

Reality is it works pretty good. Biggest problem we have now is big money in politics. Basicly big money owns our representatives. Great for big money but not so good for the rest of us.

That and a crazy brainwashed electorate and things have gotten a little screwy

 

[jimbo]

Trump is not the topic of this thread.

Apparently that's your intent.

 

[TheParser]

1. Perhaps the United States of America should return to the time right after the Revolution: Each state was basically independent.


2. Then each American could choose the state in which s/he felt most comfortable and safe.


a. Some people might want to live in a pro-abortion state, for example.
b. Other people might want to live in an anti-gay rights state, for example.
c. Some people might want to live in a state with a particular population profile, for example.
d. Some people might want to live in a socialist state, for example.


3. If a state were composed of like-minded people, then there would peace and harmony.


4. The president of the whole country would simply be a symbol of the nation, a figurehead. The Congress would meet only occasionally, mostly to discuss defense matters. Almost everything else would be left to each state. There would no need for a Supreme Court, for each state would have the final say regarding the law.

 

[Vadinho]

I would argue that our current system is out of date and unrepresentative of the people and too slow to adapt to change. We have the law to protect us however the courts are obviously partisan battlefields where one can hardly believe their decisions are not biased in favor of a faction. The Senate is a joke, it is not the world's most deliberative body, in fact, it is where deliberation goes to die. The House is far too small. Money is too dominant as a political force. Voting is not a right, it is a privilege. Democracy only exists at the state level if you can defend it. We are a warlike society. Yes, our government should change but I have no confidence that a change made by this generation of leaders would improve it. So, we are stuck with what we have until such time as future generations either disintegrate this nation or remake it in their own image.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Other - less power at the national government level and more power at the state/local level.

 

[HonestJoe]

Crown Dependency.

Apologise for those nasty things you said about old George and wasting all that perfectly good tea then ask the Queen nicely and I’m sure she’d take you back. Let’s put the silliness of the past couple of centuries behind us and move on?

 

[Noodlegawd]

because this **** is NOT WORKING.

Why is "this" not working? What problem do you think would be solved by a different form of government?

 

[Perotista]

Before anyone can attempt to answer the question, we need to know what exactly you think isn't working. That can mean all kinds of things.

So let's start with what you think "working" looks like, and how it's falling short of that.

Polarization, ultra high partisanship where the two major parties refuse to work with each other as in the past. Anything the GOP proposes, good, bad or indifferent the democrats automatically oppose and vice versa. Anything the Democrats propose, good, bad or indifferent is automatically opposed by the Republicans.

Another problem is when one party controls the House, senate and the presidency, they always try to ram through their political agenda although neither party makes up more than 30% of the total electorate. The problem with our system is both major parties come up with candidates the majority of Americans dislike and don't want. But because of our two party system it is always voting for the least worst candidate or the lesser of two evils. A prime example is 2016, 60% of all Americans disliked and didn't want Trump, 56% of all Americans disliked and didn't want Clinton to become our net president. This is what happens when roughly 30% of the population controls who one party will nominate, 30% controls who the other party will nominate.

Even with all the above, if each party would back off their ultra high partisanship and at least try to work with the other party, we could get back on track. If each would play the game of give and take, compromise which most Americans want, we could get back to a working government.

Americans Favor Compromise to Get Things Done in Washington

 

[Harshaw]

Polarization, ultra high partisanship where the two major parties refuse to work with each other as in the past. Anything the GOP proposes, good, bad or indifferent the democrats automatically oppose and vice versa. Anything the Democrats propose, good, bad or indifferent is automatically opposed by the Republicans.

Another problem is when one party controls the House, senate and the presidency, they always try to ram through their political agenda although neither party makes up more than 30% of the total electorate. The problem with our system is both major parties come up with candidates the majority of Americans dislike and don't want. But because of our two party system it is always voting for the least worst candidate or the lesser of two evils. A prime example is 2016, 60% of all Americans disliked and didn't want Trump, 56% of all Americans disliked and didn't want Clinton to become our net president. This is what happens when roughly 30% of the population controls who one party will nominate, 30% controls who the other party will nominate.

Even with all the above, if each party would back off their ultra high partisanship and at least try to work with the other party, we could get back on track. If each would play the game of give and take, compromise which most Americans want, we could get back to a working government.

Americans Favor Compromise to Get Things Done in Washington

I agree. What do you suggest?