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What to do about the mass shootings in the US

What do we do about mass shootings in the US?

  • Ban US citizens from owning any firearm - confiscate those already purchased

    Votes: 7 5.7%

  • Ban US citizens from owning certain kinds of firearms (explain)

    Votes: 21 17.1%

  • Don't ban firearms at all

    Votes: 23 18.7%

  • Institutionalize the violent and mentally ill

    Votes: 29 23.6%

  • Something else

    Votes: 71 57.7%
  • Total voters
    123
Beowulf said:
Has the government ever confiscated personal property?
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They take guns from sick people all the time. They take property that is in some way involved in a criminal act. Nobody, comes in from big or small gummit and says, "we're taking that".

So why are you blinded by that paranoid notion?
 
Beowulf said:
That's okay. You don't have to answer. Everyone reading this in 2090 can draw their own conclusions.
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Well in 2090 I will be long in the ground. So who cares. Lol
 
jet57 said:
They take guns from sick people all the time. They take property that is in some way involved in a criminal act. Nobody, comes in from big or small gummit and says, "we're taking that".

So why are you blinded by that paranoid notion?
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Paranoid? You just told me that the government confiscates personal property.
 
Beowulf said:
Paranoid? You just told me that the government confiscates personal property.
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Uh, what property and what in what context did I say that?

Think before you answer please.
 
Beowulf said:
Has the government ever confiscated people's property?
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In times of rapid expansion, war, and unrest the government:

did nothing to stop enslavement and confiscation personal property o minorities. Through our representative government we passed laws against slavery

forced native people off land and sold it to individuals. Through our representative government passed laws prohibiting native lands theft.

put people of foreign extraction into concentrations camps during war and allowed their property to be sold off . Laws have been passed to stop this practice.

confiscated property of criminals. It still does this but the types of property that can be legally confiscated have been reduced

has never done anything to stop bank fraud from driving people, especially minorities into debt and confiscating their property


All of these policies have secured economic gain for white males. Why is it that you think the government is, now, going to reverse its policy of enriching white males and start confiscating their property. What would the government gain by doing that?
 
weaver2 said:
In times of rapid expansion, war, and unrest the government:

did nothing to stop enslavement and confiscation personal property o minorities. Through our representative government we passed laws against slavery

forced native people off land and sold it to individuals. Through our representative government passed laws prohibiting native lands theft.

put people of foreign extraction into concentrations camps during war and allowed their property to be sold off . Laws have been passed to stop this practice.

confiscated property of criminals. It still does this but the types of property that can be legally confiscated have been reduced

has never done anything to stop bank fraud from driving people, especially minorities into debt and confiscating their property


All of these policies have secured economic gain for white males. Why is it that you think the government is, now, going to reverse its policy of enriching white males and start confiscating their property. What would the government gain by doing that?
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So is that a yes or a no? Has government confiscated people's property?
 
Beowulf said:
Executive Order 6102
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Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve, in exchange for $20.67 (equivalent to $400 in 2018)[4] per troy ounce. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, as amended by the recently passed Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, violation of the order was punishable by fine up to $10,000 (equivalent to $194,000 in 2018)[4] or up to ten years in prison, or both.
Order 6102 specifically exempted "customary use in industry, profession or art", a provision that covered artists, jewelers, dentists, and sign makers among others. The order further permitted any person to own up to $100 in gold coins (a face value equivalent to 5 troy ounces (160 g) of gold valued at about $6,339 in 2016). The same paragraph also exempted "gold coins having recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins". That protected recognized gold coin collections from legal seizure and likely melting.
The price of gold from the Treasury for international transactions was then raised by the Gold Reserve Act to $35 an ounce (equivalent to $677 in 2018)[4]. The resulting profit that the government realized funded the Exchange Stabilization Fund established by the Gold Reserve Act in 1934

from wikipedia
 
weaver2 said:
Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve, in exchange for $20.67 (equivalent to $400 in 2018)[4] per troy ounce. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, as amended by the recently passed Emergency Banking Act of March 9, 1933, violation of the order was punishable by fine up to $10,000 (equivalent to $194,000 in 2018)[4] or up to ten years in prison, or both.
Order 6102 specifically exempted "customary use in industry, profession or art", a provision that covered artists, jewelers, dentists, and sign makers among others. The order further permitted any person to own up to $100 in gold coins (a face value equivalent to 5 troy ounces (160 g) of gold valued at about $6,339 in 2016). The same paragraph also exempted "gold coins having recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins". That protected recognized gold coin collections from legal seizure and likely melting.
The price of gold from the Treasury for international transactions was then raised by the Gold Reserve Act to $35 an ounce (equivalent to $677 in 2018)[4]. The resulting profit that the government realized funded the Exchange Stabilization Fund established by the Gold Reserve Act in 1934

from wikipedia
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How does this justify stockpiling arms, ammunition and magazines?
 
weaver2 said:
And how is it relevant to "What to do about mass shootings in the US"?
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It was a sidebar. We were discussing whether or not the government confiscated items from the populace. As you have learned, it has.
 
Ban violent movies, ban violent video games, have an armed guard at every school, place of business, restrict ammunition and ban assault weapons.
 
arctic fox said:
Ban violent movies, ban violent video games, have an armed guard at every school, place of business, restrict ammunition and ban assault weapons.
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But not Ruger Mini 14s right?
 
I don't think we need to ban guns, we just need to make them harder to get and more discerning who can get them. IE: regulations, background checks, waiting periods, etc.
 
Moot said:
I don't think we need to ban guns, we just need to make them harder to get and more discerning who can get them. IE: regulations, background checks, waiting periods, etc.
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Like the same as with opioids?
 
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